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  • 1.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-09-2002 18:53
    Can some of the colleagues out there provide a citation or two in which
    management journals are classifies as to Tier 1, Tier 2, etc (A
    journals, B journals, etc.)? Any help will be appreciated.

    A direct reply will reach me at
    rparrish@ucok.edu

    Thanks

    Ralph W. Parrish, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Management
    College of Business
    University of Central Oklahoma


  • 2.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-10-2002 08:03
    From: W.J.Gregory W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk

    Sorry to send this to the whole list, but thought there might be
    others who would appreciate a suggestion in relation to this.
    Have you tried Bill Starbuck's web site?
    http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~wstarbuc/
    just scroll to the bottom of the page. It gives links to lists of
    journals by citation index and so gives a great indication of which are
    top tier, etc. It is great for other information too, 'Fussy Professor
    Starbuck's Cookbook of Handy-Dandy Prescriptions for Ambitious Academic
    Authors' is brilliant!

    If anyone has other lists of rated journals, I would also be
    interested. You can reply directly to me: w.j.gregory@hull.ac.uk

    Thanks,
    Wendy
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    Dr Wendy Gregory
    Research Director
    Business School
    The University of Hull
    Hull HU6 7RX
    Britain.

    Telephone: (+44)(0)1482-465960
    Mobile: 0790 410 6818
    Fax: (+44)(0)1482-466637

    w.j.gregory@hull.ac.uk
    wj.gregory@virgin.net

    Research website: http://www.hull.ac.uk/hubs/research/index.htm
    ****************************************************************


    On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:53:04 -0500 "Ralph W. Parrish, Ph.D."
    <rparrish@ucok.edu> wrote:

    | Can some of the colleagues out there provide a citation or two in
    which
    | management journals are classifies as to Tier 1, Tier 2, etc (A
    | journals, B journals, etc.)? Any help will be appreciated.
    |
    | A direct reply will reach me at
    | rparrish@ucok.edu
    |
    | Thanks
    |
    | Ralph W. Parrish, Ph.D.
    | Assistant Professor
    | Management
    | College of Business
    | University of Central Oklahoma


  • 3.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-10-2002 10:27
    Dear Ralph, my experience at multiple universities (Ph.D. granting and
    non-Ph.D. granting) leads me to believe the following:

    1) The classification of Tier 1 etc, beyond the obvious (e.g., ASQ, AMJ,
    AMR, SMJ, JAP) is pretty idiosyncratic to each university, and often very
    political. Bill Starbuck, @ NYU, publishes on his website a list of 276
    journals in the social sciences and business and the average citation count
    (adjusted for discipline norms) of articles published in each journal.
    2) Some of the most highly cited manuscripts are either books (e.g.,
    Porter), published as chapters in scholarly books/anthologies (e.g.,
    Research on Org Behavior), or in journals that, at least at the time of
    publishing would not be considered Tier 1 at many top Ph.D. programs (e.g.,
    Jay Barney's 1991 JOM article-his most cited piece). This raises the
    question about whether or not one should look at citation counts, rather
    than journals, or at least read the article and make your own independent
    judgment about the quality of the contribution. A judgement about the
    quality of an article at the time of its publication tends to be journal
    dependent, but over time, impact (e.g., citation count) matters more.
    3) There is a Matthew Effect on the evaluation of articles such that if a
    person has published in clearly acknowledged Tier 1 journals than other
    articles published in other journals are rated higher than if the person
    had not published in clearly defined Tier 1 journals.
    4) Mix matters. To be considered a high quality vita, then about 1/3 of
    total pubs should be in Tier 1 journals. This assumes the vita has a
    substantial number of publications. However, if the vita is relatively
    short, the percentage of publications in Tier 1 journals must be larger,
    e.g., greater than 50%.
    5) Elite Tier 1 schools expect much more than merely publishing in Tier 1
    journals, e.g., a program of research that is clearly defined, widely
    recognized, and that has had an impact and for which you are seen as one of
    the gatekeepers. I sometimes think you need at least 1 article with 100+
    cites.
    6) I tell my doctoral students to never ask how many publications they need
    for tenure or where they need to publish. Such information may report the
    mean, but ignores the variance. Rather I tell them to concentrate on doing
    good work. (Good work has a better chance of getting published in Tier 1
    journals, but nothing is guaranteed). If they do good work, then there is
    a home for them in this profession and someone will want them and they can
    have a fine career and make a difference.

    Best, Kim Boal


    At 05:53 PM 10/9/2002 -0500, you wrote:
    >Can some of the colleagues out there provide a citation or two in which
    >management journals are classifies as to Tier 1, Tier 2, etc (A
    >journals, B journals, etc.)? Any help will be appreciated.
    >
    >A direct reply will reach me at
    > rparrish@ucok.edu
    >
    >Thanks
    >
    >Ralph W. Parrish, Ph.D.
    >Assistant Professor
    >Management
    >College of Business
    >University of Central Oklahoma
    >
    --------------------------------
    Kim Boal
    College of Business Administration
    Texas Tech University
    Lubbock, TX 79409
    (806) 742-2150
    KimBoal@ttu.edu


  • 4.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-10-2002 14:41
    Kim,

    When reading your post I pondered on the paradox of community 'validity'
    instead of a self determined 'validity'. I find that 'the community
    requirements' taxes innovation and may prevent developments from taking
    place. The gatekeepers perpetuate a way of being acting as guardians to
    ensure that only 'friends' enter the community. The protection hardly
    determines the 'nature' and 'virtue' behind the way of being it just serves
    to provide a 'stable' environment that eliminates threatening agents.
    Arguably the hardships in the process serve to eliminate impurities, test
    the agents and ensure the trustworthiness involved. Each group has their
    set of tests, rules and dews. Evidently there exist vested interests of
    many involved to maintain particular 'earned' privileges instead of ceding
    to the control of others (new comers). Instead of seeking mutual
    understanding that validates and integrates (enriches) our unique positions
    there seems to exists an implicit game to prove the value of others
    contributions using our set of rules (where the rules tip the playing field
    in our favor).

    As you say each ought "to concentrate on doing good work. (Good work has a
    better chance of getting published in Tier 1 journals, but nothing is
    guaranteed)". The image that comes to mind is getting the emperor to adopt
    a particular solution and this benefiting us for providing it. One may have
    the best solution to the emperor's worries and this may improves the
    chances of the emperor adopting it without guaranteeing a thing. Even after
    having the solution, the solution still has to reach the emperor, in a way
    that makes sense to the emperor and which recognizes and rewards us.
    'Resolving the emperors worries' involves much more that having the best
    solution (self determined validity) and the gatekeepers may dislike what we
    have to tell. For me the value of citations and publication journal only
    shows how widespread a notion is, without this providing substance to it
    validity or value... For that I prefer to use congruence in the work
    itself...

    Cordially,

    Esteban






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  • 5.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-11-2002 15:18
    From: Nicholas W. Twigg twiggnw@hal.lamar.edu

    >
    > 2. Journal Classification (3)
    >

    Re: Journal Classifications - Thanks for a lot of good information on
    classification of journals. Cabell's Directory of Publishing
    Opportunities in:
    Management
    Marketing
    Economics and Finance
    Accounting

    These volumes have reports from journals as to the review process (peer
    or
    editorial) and the percent acceptance rates.

    Cabell's seems to be used by some of the institutions here in the South
    to
    differentiate between top, midddle, and low journals.

    Nick


  • 6.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-20-2002 06:44
    From: John Milliken [mailto:j.milliken@ulster.ac.uk]

    Ralph,

    There are some publications such as the Judge Institute of
    Management Studies (Cambridge) and many UK universities produce their
    own lists for inhouse use. I am currently working on this partivular
    issue in an attempt to provide an up to date list for my own
    institution. THis will involve an email to academic colleagues
    throughout the UK asking for their perceptions of Journals. Here in
    the UK we have an RAE (Research Awards Exercise) every four years on
    which research funding is allocated. The grades are 5* (highest) to
    1 (lowest).

    Hope this helps,

    John


  • 7.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-20-2002 06:46
    From: W.J.Gregory [mailto:W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk]

    Sorry to send this to the whole list, but thought there might be
    others who would appreciate a suggestion in relation to this.
    Have you tried Bill Starbuck's web site?
    http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~wstarbuc/
    just scroll to the bottom of the page. It gives links to lists of
    journals by citation index and so gives a great indication of which are
    top tier, etc. It is great for other information too, 'Fussy Professor
    Starbuck's Cookbook of Handy-Dandy Prescriptions for Ambitious Academic
    Authors' is brilliant!

    If anyone has other lists of rated journals, I would also be
    interested. You can reply directly to me: w.j.gregory@hull.ac.uk

    Thanks,

    Wendy
    ***************************************************************

    Dr Wendy Gregory
    Research Director
    Business School
    The University of Hull
    Hull HU6 7RX
    Britain.

    Telephone: (+44)(0)1482-465960
    Mobile: 0790 410 6818
    Fax: (+44)(0)1482-466637

    w.j.gregory@hull.ac.uk
    wj.gregory@virgin.net

    Research website: http://www.hull.ac.uk/hubs/research/index.htm
    ****************************************************************


    On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:53:04 -0500 "Ralph W. Parrish, Ph.D."
    <rparrish@ucok.edu> wrote:

    | Can some of the colleagues out there provide a citation or two in
    which
    | management journals are classifies as to Tier 1, Tier 2, etc (A
    | journals, B journals, etc.)? Any help will be appreciated.
    |
    | A direct reply will reach me at
    | rparrish@ucok.edu
    |
    | Thanks
    |
    | Ralph W. Parrish, Ph.D.
    | Assistant Professor
    | Management
    | College of Business
    | University of Central Oklahoma


  • 8.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-20-2002 06:47
    From: W.J.Gregory [mailto:W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk]

    Esteban,

    I'ld like to pick up on one point that you make:
    "For me the value of citations and publication journal only shows how
    widespread a notion is, without this providing substance to it validity
    or value... For that I prefer to use congruence in the work itself..."

    Whilst I agree that congruence in work of an individual is important, i
    think we should not minimise or downplay the role of incongruence,
    dissonance, difference, etc., in what a person has done. Martin Jay, in
    writing about the German Philosopher Adorno referred to his life's work
    as being a "consteallation" in which different, often conflicting, ideas
    and viewpoints were juxtaposed. Bernstein picks up on this in his "New
    Consteallation" where works of authors like Habermas and Derrida are
    compared to show that the differences between them that other authors
    point to as evidence of congruency in their individual arguements are
    often caricatures of their positions that play-down the incongruencies.

    Congruence often cannot be maintained across the life of an authors:
    - consider, for example, the young Marx compared with his later
    writings. But I am saying that lack of congruence does not indicate a
    reduction in the validity of what has been said, rather it points to
    potential learning on the part of the author. Sometimes when I look at
    things I wrote a decade ago I cringe... my viewpoint now is different
    and incongruent with what it once was. I guess I am saying we need to
    look somewhere other than at congruency to find the source of validity
    for what has been written.

    all the best,

    Wendy


  • 9.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-21-2002 10:26
    Wendy,

    Indeed, discovering the 'Incongruences' provide a map to the learning
    process and helps us discover new things.
    Though holding on to congruence, which for me means that 'what is' can be
    sustained and has desirable results, helps to 'judge' independent of
    beliefs...

    You state "Sometimes when I look at things I wrote a decade ago I
    cringe... my viewpoint now is different and incongruent with what it once
    was". OK being congruent can include realizing how what we did in the past
    now has a different validity... it would be incongruent of you to now
    claim that what you wrote back then still is as valid today as it was back
    then...

    'If you oppose (to use congruency) what do you propose (we use)?'

    Please provide a better source for validity than the congruency involved
    ... I am always looking to learn and expand the shemas I hold and use...

    Cordialy

    Esteban

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  • 10.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-24-2002 06:33
    Dear Esteban,
    I will have to say that I don't know EXACTLY what we should use instead
    of "congruence", but perhaps we could talk about a locally
    situated/defined and historically contingent view of congruency which
    will allow for the changing of perceptions of what is and isn't
    congruent within (a) certain field(s) of thought. Very woolly, I know.
    My concern with talking of something as being "congruent" is that it
    can sometimes be taken to mean "absolutely true/right" and "for all
    time indisputable". My "better source for validity" comes from the
    discourse that communities can have around what they take to be
    congruent including aspects that may not quite fit (i.e., are
    incongruent, but acceptable to the community).
    Best wishes,
    Wendy

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:26:23 -0500 Esteban Trevino
    <esteban.trevino@neoris.com> wrote:

    | Wendy,
    |
    | Indeed, discovering the 'Incongruences' provide a map to the learning
    | process and helps us discover new things.
    | Though holding on to congruence, which for me means that 'what is' can be
    | sustained and has desirable results, helps to 'judge' independent of
    | beliefs...
    |
    | You state "Sometimes when I look at things I wrote a decade ago I
    | cringe... my viewpoint now is different and incongruent with what it once
    | was". OK being congruent can include realizing how what we did in the past
    | now has a different validity... it would be incongruent of you to now
    | claim that what you wrote back then still is as valid today as it was back
    | then...
    |
    | 'If you oppose (to use congruency) what do you propose (we use)?'
    |
    | Please provide a better source for validity than the congruency involved
    | ... I am always looking to learn and expand the shemas I hold and use...
    |
    | Cordialy
    |
    | Esteban
    |
    | ____________________________________________________________________________
    | For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses.
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    ***************************************************************

    Dr Wendy Gregory
    Research Director
    Business School
    The University of Hull
    Hull HU6 7RX
    Britain.

    Telephone: (+44)(0)1482-465960
    Mobile: 0790 410 6818
    Fax: (+44)(0)1482-466637

    w.j.gregory@hull.ac.uk
    wj.gregory@virgin.net

    Research website: http://www.hull.ac.uk/hubs/research/index.htm
    ****************************************************************


  • 11.  Journal Classification

    Posted 10-24-2002 15:31
    Dear Colleagues, A comment on congruency. There is a story of a well known
    colleague (I won't mention his name here less I violate his privacy), who
    left his university ABD. Several years passed. In the meantime, he was
    publishing and developing a reputation as a young scholar. However, he
    still had not defended his dissertation nor published anything out of it.
    Finally, he returned to his university to defend his dissertation. As the
    story goes, when he walked into his defense he announced to his faculty
    that he could not defend his dissertation study less they think he had not
    learned anything in the meantime. He then proceeded to critique his
    dissertation.

    Regards, Kim Boal

    At 11:33 AM 10/24/2002 +0100, you wrote:
    >Dear Esteban,
    >I will have to say that I don't know EXACTLY what we should use instead
    >of "congruence", but perhaps we could talk about a locally
    >situated/defined and historically contingent view of congruency which
    >will allow for the changing of perceptions of what is and isn't
    >congruent within (a) certain field(s) of thought. Very woolly, I know.
    >My concern with talking of something as being "congruent" is that it
    >can sometimes be taken to mean "absolutely true/right" and "for all
    >time indisputable". My "better source for validity" comes from the
    >discourse that communities can have around what they take to be
    >congruent including aspects that may not quite fit (i.e., are
    >incongruent, but acceptable to the community).
    >Best wishes,
    >Wendy
    >
    >On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:26:23 -0500 Esteban Trevino
    ><esteban.trevino@neoris.com> wrote:
    >
    >| Wendy,
    >|
    >| Indeed, discovering the 'Incongruences' provide a map to the learning
    >| process and helps us discover new things.
    >| Though holding on to congruence, which for me means that 'what is' can be
    >| sustained and has desirable results, helps to 'judge' independent of
    >| beliefs...
    >|
    >| You state "Sometimes when I look at things I wrote a decade ago I
    >| cringe... my viewpoint now is different and incongruent with what it once
    >| was". OK being congruent can include realizing how what we did in the past
    >| now has a different validity... it would be incongruent of you to now
    >| claim that what you wrote back then still is as valid today as it was back
    >| then...
    >|
    >| 'If you oppose (to use congruency) what do you propose (we use)?'
    >|
    >| Please provide a better source for validity than the congruency involved
    >| ... I am always looking to learn and expand the shemas I hold and use...
    >|
    >| Cordialy
    >|
    >| Esteban
    >|
    >|
    ____________________________________________________________________________
    >| For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses.
    >| Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/
    >
    >***************************************************************
    >
    >Dr Wendy Gregory
    >Research Director
    >Business School
    >The University of Hull
    >Hull HU6 7RX
    >Britain.
    >
    >Telephone: (+44)(0)1482-465960
    >Mobile: 0790 410 6818
    >Fax: (+44)(0)1482-466637
    >
    >w.j.gregory@hull.ac.uk
    >wj.gregory@virgin.net
    >
    >Research website: http://www.hull.ac.uk/hubs/research/index.htm
    >****************************************************************
    >
    --------------------------------
    Kim Boal
    College of Business Administration
    Texas Tech University
    Lubbock, TX 79409
    (806) 742-2150
    KimBoal@ttu.edu