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  • 1.  Response to Fred Nickols to Re: Some lateral thinking

    Posted 11-25-2003 10:46
    Fred wrote:

    "That's really puzzling, Erwin.  It reads as though you expect responses in
    detail from us but you will provide none in return.  Sounds a one-way street to
    me."

    I am not in the habit of playing games, Fred - much too old and focused for
    that. Below my signature is the message in which I listed the eight questions.
    There is a lot of detail behind them and I am certainly willing to share
    that, once there is some serious interest to focus on using it as a springboard
    for developing a set of questions that can become part of the leadership
    curriculum.

    Fred also wrote:

    "Well, I've got some reservations about the "reported research" so I wonder
    if your list will wind up absent some candidate questions that competent
    practitioners use but aren't backed by any "reported research"?"

    The research I speak of is that of Alderfer, Avolio, Bass, Blake and Mouton,
    Herzberg, Hersey and Blanchard, Locke, Vroom, and many more - my references
    and bibliography is more than three small-font pages, single spaced.

    I hope these responses provide some evidence that my quest is a sound one,
    deserving serious critique, first, before entirely new lists are offered. What
    has been suggested so far by Fred, Gary, Edryce, Jack, and others requires line
    by line discussion - That would be much easier if we could do that one
    question at a time as I did with Fred's question: "How will things be different if
    you succeed?" There I found us to be thinking fully along the same line.

    Cheers,

    Erwin
    *********************
    Subj: Re: Re:[MG-ED-DV] Response to "lateral thinking" - Edryce's
    Date: 11/20/2003
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU

    Gary wrote:

    "Erwin, would you share more about what a consideration group is?
        Perhaps share examples?"

    A most reasonable request.

    The groups pertain to major responsibilities of managers and leaders (leaders
    in all organizational situations - managers with and without staff, leading
    on an issue in a meeting, taking a leadership role on a project, leading in
    avocational pursuits, leading in family matters, etc.)

    These responsibilities are:

    1.  Leading toward determining desirable outcome conditions and setting
    appropriate goals

    2.  Practicing APPROPRIATE participation

    3.  Ensuring appropriate communications in all relevant direction, by all who
    have something that should be communicated

    4.  Ensuring that the needed competence is available

    5.  Guiding toward a satisfying climate

    6.  Ensuring coordination and stimulating cooperation

    7.  Leading toward appropriate norms

    8.  Ensuring appropriate follow-up

    As is probably obvious from the repeated 'appropriate', each of the questions
    that can be derived from these responsibilities involve some or even many
    issues that deserve consideration.  Just asking the questions will, by itself
    lead toward more comprehensive decisions that are likely to be better than would
    be made without the questions.  Chances are that, if you ask someone to make a
    decision, or ask about a decision to be made, and then ask the 8 questions,
    the decision-maker will find some or several ways to improve the decided-on
    course of action.

    However, the deeper the understanding of the detailed considerations (issues)
    that lie behind the brief statements, and support them (that is why I call
    them groups of considerations) the more likely that the most effective decision
    is made, within the limits imposed by the circumstances, including the
    available information and knowledge about the uncertainties that lie ahead.

    I hope this answer is sufficiently clear and adequate, and that you can see
    how, educational and developmental programs based on them can bring more
    effective learning courses/programs that bring actionable knowledge and skills.

    Erwin (Rausch) didacticra@aol.com  and erausch@kean.edu


  • 2.  Response to Fred Nickols to Some lateral thinking

    Posted 11-25-2003 12:45
    Now, I'm really puzzled, Erwin. You wrote:

    >I am not in the habit of playing games, Fred - much too old and focused for
    >that. Below my signature is the message in which I listed the eight
    >questions.
    > There is a lot of detail behind them and I am certainly willing to share
    >that, once there is some serious interest to focus on using it as a
    >springboard
    >for developing a set of questions that can become part of the leadership
    >curriculum.

    Below your signature, Erwin, I find the following eight items:

    >1. Leading toward determining desirable outcome conditions and setting
    >appropriate goals
    >
    >2. Practicing APPROPRIATE participation
    >
    >3. Ensuring appropriate communications in all relevant direction, by all who
    >have something that should be communicated
    >
    >4. Ensuring that the needed competence is available
    >
    >5. Guiding toward a satisfying climate
    >
    >6. Ensuring coordination and stimulating cooperation
    >
    >7. Leading toward appropriate norms
    >
    >8. Ensuring appropriate follow-up

    It seems to me that what you've listed are areas where questions could be
    developed but you haven't listed any questions. You refer to these eight
    items as "groups of considerations," not questions. Is there something I'm
    not getting?



    Regards,

    Fred Nickols, CPT
    "Assistance at A Distance"
    Distance Consulting
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us