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Hello,

Can we have this rule?
Refrain from attaching files to your messages.
This is one of the best way to spread viruses (!) and to overload the Net
and it takes time to download messages.

thanks,
Philippe

amen.

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Philippe Scheimann wrote:
> Refrain from attaching files to your messages.

I'm not a fan of _rules_ and I can think of reasons that this would not
work well and lead to acrimony.

We could encourage people to avoid attachments.

_You_ could have a personal rule.
Delete any mail that arrives with attachments.

a concerned reader

alice

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* Kwantlen University College email: alicemac@kwantlen.bc.ca *
* 12666-72nd Ave, Surrey, BC, Canada, V3W 2M8 *
* "Life Long Learning includes Everyone, All the Time" *
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I agree with Alice. I belong to sever lists and have never experienced any
negative reaction for posting a message with an attachment. I was really
surprised that I got "criticized" immediately by someone on this list for
including an attachment, as if I had done something wrong.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice Macpherson [mailto:alicemac@KWANTLEN.BC.CA]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 8:18 AM
To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Subject: Re: brochure.pdf


On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Philippe Scheimann wrote:
> Refrain from attaching files to your messages.

I'm not a fan of _rules_ and I can think of reasons that this would not
work well and lead to acrimony.

We could encourage people to avoid attachments.

_You_ could have a personal rule.
Delete any mail that arrives with attachments.

a concerned reader

alice

*****************************************************************
* Alice Macpherson, TQ, ID phone: (604) 599-2426 vm 9954 *
* Kwantlen University College email: alicemac@kwantlen.bc.ca *
* 12666-72nd Ave, Surrey, BC, Canada, V3W 2M8 *
* "Life Long Learning includes Everyone, All the Time" *
*****************************************************************

Are there filters on our e-mail programs (e.g., MS Outlook) that will strip
messages of attachments? If so, then it is an individual choice.

______________________

Randall W. Kindley The Performance Group
President 5215 45th Ave. S.
V: 612-721-6752 Minneapolis MN 55417-2334
F: 847-589-5231 www.performgroup.net
kindley@dialupnet.com

"Building High Performance Organizations by
Developing People and Processes"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion
> [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Paul Wong
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:26 AM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
>
>
> I agree with Alice. I belong to sever lists and have never experienced any
> negative reaction for posting a message with an attachment. I was really
> surprised that I got "criticized" immediately by someone on this list for
> including an attachment, as if I had done something wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alice Macpherson [mailto:alicemac@KWANTLEN.BC.CA]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 8:18 AM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Philippe Scheimann wrote:
> > Refrain from attaching files to your messages.
>
> I'm not a fan of _rules_ and I can think of reasons that this would not
> work well and lead to acrimony.
>
> We could encourage people to avoid attachments.
>
> _You_ could have a personal rule.
> Delete any mail that arrives with attachments.
>
> a concerned reader
>
> alice
>
> *****************************************************************
> * Alice Macpherson, TQ, ID phone: (604) 599-2426 vm 9954 *
> * Kwantlen University College email: alicemac@kwantlen.bc.ca *
> * 12666-72nd Ave, Surrey, BC, Canada, V3W 2M8 *
> * "Life Long Learning includes Everyone, All the Time" *
> *****************************************************************

On 24 Nov 99, at 8:25, Paul Wong wrote:

> I agree with Alice. I belong to sever lists and have never experienced any
> negative reaction for posting a message with an attachment. I was really
> surprised that I got "criticized" immediately by someone on this list for
> including an attachment, as if I had done something wrong.

Paul et al. I know of NO list that encourages or even permits
attachments. It's pretty much standard, and if you are unaware of
why, then it may be that you aren't conversant or haven't thought
about how the internet works, how attachments can be damaging
to lists and individual mailboxes, and the huge amounts of strain
they can put on list software due to size issues.

..and of course viruses.

I have a better personal rule. If you are going to use the Internet
take some time to learn posting ettiquette and enough about the
internet so you can use it competently and effectively without
inconveniencing others.


Bookmark the search for anything page - websites, email addresses, books,newsgroups, lists.
http://www.escape.ca/~rbacal/search.htm

On 24 Nov 99, at 8:18, Alice Macpherson wrote:


> _You_ could have a personal rule.
> Delete any mail that arrives with attachments.
>
Alice, somebody a while ago cross-posted (that's to a bunch of
lists) an attachment of approximately 3 megabytes. I got SIX
copies (about 18 megs in my mailbox). If someone is so clueless
as to post attachments and cause my mailbox to be "full" so
people I want to hear from can't get a hold of me, that makes me
REAL mad, and I file complaints for Internet abuse.



> a concerned reader
>
> alice
>
> *****************************************************************
> * Alice Macpherson, TQ, ID phone: (604) 599-2426 vm 9954 *
> * Kwantlen University College email: alicemac@kwantlen.bc.ca *
> * 12666-72nd Ave, Surrey, BC, Canada, V3W 2M8 *
> * "Life Long Learning includes Everyone, All the Time" *
> *****************************************************************


Bookmark the search for anything page - websites, email addresses, books,newsgroups, lists.
http://www.escape.ca/~rbacal/search.htm

Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
performance by moving on!!

______________________

Randall W. Kindley The Performance Group
President 5215 45th Ave. S.
V: 612-721-6752 Minneapolis MN 55417-2334
F: 847-589-5231 www.performgroup.net
kindley@dialupnet.com

"Building High Performance Organizations by
Developing People and Processes"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion
> [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Robert Bacal
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:03 AM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
>
>
> On 24 Nov 99, at 8:25, Paul Wong wrote:
>
> > I agree with Alice. I belong to sever lists and have never
> experienced any
> > negative reaction for posting a message with an attachment. I was really
> > surprised that I got "criticized" immediately by someone on
> this list for
> > including an attachment, as if I had done something wrong.
>
> Paul et al. I know of NO list that encourages or even permits
> attachments. It's pretty much standard, and if you are unaware of
> why, then it may be that you aren't conversant or haven't thought
> about how the internet works, how attachments can be damaging
> to lists and individual mailboxes, and the huge amounts of strain
> they can put on list software due to size issues.
>
> ..and of course viruses.
>
> I have a better personal rule. If you are going to use the Internet
> take some time to learn posting ettiquette and enough about the
> internet so you can use it competently and effectively without
> inconveniencing others.
>
>
> Bookmark the search for anything page - websites, email
> addresses, books,newsgroups, lists.
> http://www.escape.ca/~rbacal/search.htm

At 11:22 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, Randall wrote:
>Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
>enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
>yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
>other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
>performance by moving on!!

Randall I couldn't agree with you less. I download lots of mulitmedia at
the office, but on the road my modem is only 14.4K which means my phone
time can be astronomical when attachments come unsolicited. Speaking for
myself, please do me the courtesy of asking you send me _any_ attachment.
It's too late if it's already taken my compter five minutes to download it.

Dick Copeland
San Antonio, Texas

Yep. Gotcha. I think a major issue is the flexibility of listservs. I like
getting attachments and can do a lot of filtering with MS Outlook. But there
are a number of other programs out there that may not do this. It would be
nice, for instance, if we could easily select options so that, kind of like
the reply versus reply to button, we could select attachments or not. I just
despair of seeing the technology not used to its potential.

______________________

Randall W. Kindley The Performance Group
President 5215 45th Ave. S.
V: 612-721-6752 Minneapolis MN 55417-2334
F: 847-589-5231 www.performgroup.net
kindley@dialupnet.com

"Building High Performance Organizations by
Developing People and Processes"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion
> [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Dick Copeland
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:59 AM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
>
>
> At 11:22 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, Randall wrote:
> >Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated
> issues well
> >enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not
> agree with
> >yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
> >other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's
> boost our
> >performance by moving on!!
>
> Randall I couldn't agree with you less. I download lots of mulitmedia at
> the office, but on the road my modem is only 14.4K which means my phone
> time can be astronomical when attachments come unsolicited. Speaking for
> myself, please do me the courtesy of asking you send me _any_ attachment.
> It's too late if it's already taken my compter five minutes to
> download it.
>
> Dick Copeland
> San Antonio, Texas

Those of you who use modems to fetch email while on the road, or simply do
not want attachments, can use a filter that would stop the downloading of
attachments. While this solution is probably not to every's liking, it is
at least a step toward allowing users to decide for themselves how
to access the Internet and whether they want to see any attachments. I
personally believe the Internet was intended to share information in the
fastest, and most efficient method possible. And that's how, and why, I
use it.

I think that Netiquette decided ten or more years ago is in most
cases outdated. Technology advances since then allows us to be more
dependent on the Internet and our email. For that reason, we should
regularly examine our policies and procedures on the use of attachments
and other Internet related technologies as they do on other listservs,
and decide for ourselves, as a group, how we should handle all new forms
of Internet issues.

Just a thought as I get ready for the Thanksgiving Holiday.

--Larry Gallery

> At 11:22 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, Randall wrote:
> >Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
> >enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
> >yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
> >other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
> >performance by moving on!!
>
> Randall I couldn't agree with you less. I download lots of mulitmedia at
> the office, but on the road my modem is only 14.4K which means my phone
> time can be astronomical when attachments come unsolicited. Speaking for
> myself, please do me the courtesy of asking you send me _any_ attachment.
> It's too late if it's already taken my compter five minutes to download it.
>
> Dick Copeland
> San Antonio, Texas
>

Please delete my name from the list

At 02:37 PM 11/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Those of you who use modems to fetch email while on the road, or simply do
>not want attachments, can use a filter that would stop the downloading of
>attachments. While this solution is probably not to every's liking, it is
>at least a step toward allowing users to decide for themselves how
>to access the Internet and whether they want to see any attachments. I
>personally believe the Internet was intended to share information in the
>fastest, and most efficient method possible. And that's how, and why, I
>use it.
>
>I think that Netiquette decided ten or more years ago is in most
>cases outdated. Technology advances since then allows us to be more
>dependent on the Internet and our email. For that reason, we should
>regularly examine our policies and procedures on the use of attachments
>and other Internet related technologies as they do on other listservs,
>and decide for ourselves, as a group, how we should handle all new forms
>of Internet issues.
>
>Just a thought as I get ready for the Thanksgiving Holiday.
>
> --Larry Gallery
>
>> At 11:22 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, Randall wrote:
>> >Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
>> >enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
>> >yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
>> >other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
>> >performance by moving on!!
>>
>> Randall I couldn't agree with you less. I download lots of mulitmedia at
>> the office, but on the road my modem is only 14.4K which means my phone
>> time can be astronomical when attachments come unsolicited. Speaking for
>> myself, please do me the courtesy of asking you send me _any_ attachment.
>> It's too late if it's already taken my compter five minutes to download it.
>>
>> Dick Copeland
>> San Antonio, Texas
>>
>
>
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I do not know of any (useable) filter that will allow me to selectively
download attachments. I may well want that picture of my best friends baby
but not your *whatever* thank you. I may need certain attached information
I don't want unsolicited attachments especially via a list.

So you are wrong. There is no practical method of selectively choosing what
you download.

Best regards, Steve Edwards
steve@steglobal.com
The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has
taken place. - George Bernard Shaw

Kindley,

I don't think that sending large files is anything to do with moving
forward. I experienced difficulties as I receive 50 messages a day. Time
may be plentiful for some of us, but it should not stop us respecting the
time of others who don't have that luxury.

Dr Mustafa Ozbilgin

http://mustoz.netfirms.com




On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Randall W. Kindley wrote:

> Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
> enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
> yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
> other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
> performance by moving on!!
>
> ______________________
>
> Randall W. Kindley The Performance Group
> President 5215 45th Ave. S.
> V: 612-721-6752 Minneapolis MN 55417-2334
> F: 847-589-5231 www.performgroup.net
> kindley@dialupnet.com
>
> "Building High Performance Organizations by
> Developing People and Processes"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Management Education and Development Discussion
> > [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Robert Bacal
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:03 AM
> > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> > Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
> >
> >
> > On 24 Nov 99, at 8:25, Paul Wong wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Alice. I belong to sever lists and have never
> > experienced any
> > > negative reaction for posting a message with an attachment. I was really
> > > surprised that I got "criticized" immediately by someone on
> > this list for
> > > including an attachment, as if I had done something wrong.
> >
> > Paul et al. I know of NO list that encourages or even permits
> > attachments. It's pretty much standard, and if you are unaware of
> > why, then it may be that you aren't conversant or haven't thought
> > about how the internet works, how attachments can be damaging
> > to lists and individual mailboxes, and the huge amounts of strain
> > they can put on list software due to size issues.
> >
> > ..and of course viruses.
> >
> > I have a better personal rule. If you are going to use the Internet
> > take some time to learn posting ettiquette and enough about the
> > internet so you can use it competently and effectively without
> > inconveniencing others.
> >
> >
> > Bookmark the search for anything page - websites, email
> > addresses, books,newsgroups, lists.
> > http://www.escape.ca/~rbacal/search.htm
>

Robert,
As far as I can recall you are the only person who has made any
comment about the negative side of receiving emails with
attachments. Your point is well noted on a number of lists and we
attempt to satisfy your request. However, also well noted is the
point made by many more people that if your particular choice is
not to receive emails with attachments then don't. Flame them,
discard them, do what you will but please don't preach to others
on their perceived lack of ettiquette (sic) or knowledge of how
the internet works. You may just be talking to people who know
far more about it than you.

Phil Rutherford



Robert Bacal wrote:
>
> On 24 Nov 99, at 8:25, Paul Wong wrote:
>
> > I agree with Alice. I belong to sever lists and have never experienced any
> > negative reaction for posting a message with an attachment. I was really
> > surprised that I got "criticized" immediately by someone on this list for
> > including an attachment, as if I had done something wrong.
>
> Paul et al. I know of NO list that encourages or even permits
> attachments. It's pretty much standard, and if you are unaware of
> why, then it may be that you aren't conversant or haven't thought
> about how the internet works, how attachments can be damaging
> to lists and individual mailboxes, and the huge amounts of strain
> they can put on list software due to size issues.
>
> ..and of course viruses.
>
> I have a better personal rule. If you are going to use the Internet
> take some time to learn posting ettiquette and enough about the
> internet so you can use it competently and effectively without
> inconveniencing others.
>
> Bookmark the search for anything page - websites, email addresses, books,newsgroups, lists.
> http://www.escape.ca/~rbacal/search.htm

I've got to add my two-cents worth. I have American Online. I get a list of
incoming email, and when I open the mail, I then have the choice to download
the attachment, OR NOT. It's up to me. most of the time I delete without
downloading. However every now and then, there is an attachment that catches
my interest. With all the concern about viruses, I usually don't download
unknown attachments. It's MY CHOICE. I wouldn't want to restrict someone
from sending something that would be beneficial or informative.

Judi
Collaborative Solutions
Los Angeles, CA