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  • 1.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-01-2000 20:17
    From: Kim Boal <odkbb@TTU.EDU>

    Dear Debra, I teach a combination strategy/project management course at the
    MBA level. In my class, students are divided into teams. They are
    required to solicit and negotiate a suitable project on their own. This is
    a small class of 14 students (3 teams). They had no difficultly in
    securing clients for their projects. The companies range in size from $1.2
    Billion to <$1,000,000. To guide them in managing their project team, I
    require that they follow the format in the book by Weiss and Wysocki,
    "5-phase project mangement: A practical planning and implementaiton guide"
    (Perseus Books).

    Each week I spend half the class lecturing on strategy issues related to
    other class readings and they spend the rest of the time working in their
    groups. They also present a brief oral summary, as well as written
    documentation based on Weiss and Wysocki, each week. Periodically, I bring
    in industry guest speakers.

    I would let them find their own client. I would not require that they work
    with a particular client nor do a particular project.

    Regards, Kim Boal
    Kim Boal
    College of Business Administration
    Texas Tech University
    Lubbock, TX 79409
    (806) 742-2150
    KimBoal@ttu.edu


  • 2.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-01-2000 20:17
    From: Larrie McDonald <larrie@helix.net>

    Hello Debra

    Having been on both sides of your question in three different roles, I hope
    something I say is useful to you.

    I have created class consulting projects in my curriculum, been a consulting
    team participant of a community capacity building community development
    intervention, and recently as a principle in an active consulting company
    use a version of what you are doing as a norm in our company.

    What I learned from the college instructing experience is the team project
    model does work if the teams are kept small, much like an operational
    consulting team. I suggest three or four students max in each team. As for
    getting clients, this is easy if you focus on community activities, NFP's,
    Societies most of which are mini businesses (whether they realize it or not)
    dealing with all the business and organizational issues of their more
    visible counterparts. If "real" businesses are needed to satisfy your
    mandate, or curriculum learning objectives, there are plenty of new
    entrepreneurial start-ups you may access through your SBA office. Usually
    in my experience, traditional established companies end up using students
    for gopher jobs where they learn about organizational culture and low
    positions more than gain business experience (in the board room, helping
    craft visionary options, project planning for example.)

    What I learned as part of the community development consulting team was that
    the project was contaminated by the team itself, ...due to confusion about
    their purpose in being on the team in the first place. The organizer wanted
    to use new masters level graduates (inherently trained and competent) to
    provide community organizations the expertise they needed but could not
    afford. That was fine. The consulting teams wanted to satisfy this
    objective, but it was secondary to their motives to be exercising their role
    as "Consultants". So, they used language that was incongruent with their
    real personal motives, the clients picked up on the inconsistencies, they
    felt the inconsistencies, they began to mistrust the consultant teams, and
    in every case I observed, eventual the client turned on the team. The
    objectives were not met of either the client or the consultant team. In the
    project evaluation, the consultants generally saw the results as lack of
    client readiness; the client saw the results as expected from mistrusted
    consultants.

    I think this could have been avoided in a training mode. The goals and
    expectations could have been clearer, more accurate and consistent with what
    really was occurring.

    What I have learned as a principal in a consulting practice is that there
    can be very worthwhile and life changing learning when the students are used
    as a non-paid working advisory board. We do this by virtual connection
    regularly. (It is a value-based commitment of my partner and myself to give
    back to society and future business practitioners, ...while we get
    assistance and another view) The student consulting team is involved in
    strategic meetings (setting up the project methodology and action plans) and
    ongoing virtual meetings. Their input is valued and their work is passed to
    us through the WWW. They do have some gopher tasks (research for example),
    but the tasks push them to satisfy professional standards, the work is real
    and valued,...and they know/feel it all the way through the project. The
    experience helps their CV upon graduation. They don't get credit for the
    academic experience but neither do they pay tuition for coop experience. It
    might fit for some and won't for others, but the model allows some students
    to reach beyond their local community to get a client for their project.
    Another benefit of this model, is that it forces students to experience and
    become competent participating professionally in virtual teams, which are
    becoming more the norm these days. You will no doubt be aware of the
    research that is building on virtual teams and all the inherent problems
    (lack of trust, lack of knowing members' competence, lack of personal
    relationship, sometimes low commitment to the "invisible" and out of sight
    team). Professionals need to have experience, competence and confidence
    working on virtual teams and I believe this is a good learning model for
    students. Graduates also need to experience cultural diversity with
    clients, and they need to grasp it over the phone or internet to be useful
    and participative with/for clients. This model of accessing clients outside
    their geographic region could be very beneficial to them.

    As a consultant, we are still learning from the experience as well.
    Selection criteria is important student team skills must be known and needed
    on the project so they can do competent work), and clear expectations of
    all, are important. Mostly, commitment on the student's side is critical.
    An issue that exists more for you as the instructor is how you evaluate
    student performance. We have favored a simple quick to complete
    post-project evaluation questionnaire that both we and the student completes
    on your behalf. You have the task of assessing performance. If used well
    (if you had the time) the variances between questionnaire data (the
    student's and ours) makes for excellent learning as well.

    For what it is worth, I hope my comments have been of some help, or at least
    of interest. I would be interested in hearing over time what you learn in
    the process.

    All success,
    Larrie McDonald, Principal,
    Westcoast CED Consulting Ltd.,
    Community Economic-Organization Development practitioners
    Vancouver, B.C. Canada


  • 3.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-01-2000 20:18
    From: John J. O'Brien, CRM, MLT <isi-krd@home.com>

    Greetings, Debra,

    I educate in relation to consulting practices as part of my own practice and
    also completed a Masters in Leadership & Training in '99. Part of the
    requirement was to conduct a major project in an organization that would
    sponsor the project (not necessarily monetarily) and agree to evaluate it
    as part of the learners overall evaluation. The idea is great, but I advise
    that it is important to help people get real around the potential
    implications of selecting a current employer (which many of my
    non-consultant colleagues did) and on the implications of taking it on
    without an employer-sponsor (as I and a few others did). The former group
    faced ethical challenges and politics and were caught in binds between
    employment and the rigours of the degree requirements. Studying the employer
    sounds better from a time management perspective than from a
    self-preservation angle ;-) Of course, this can produce a transformative
    experience that may be in the longer term interest of the learner. For
    myself, the choice to go with a professional association, sponsoring in
    principle without any monetary obligation, I found that my own business
    suffered (not many people can fund a project to the tune of 30k plus pay
    graduate school fees and the usual mortgage, cost of living, etc. as well).
    The key, in my opinion, is informed choice and a realistic (read very frank)
    communication about the requirements and their practical implications.

    Good luck with your course.

    Regards,
    John

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  • 4.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-01-2000 20:18
    From: Eric Goodman <EGoodman@COS.Coloradotech.edu>

    Having taught management consulting I have had great success in having
    students identify projects. Also, I have noticed that undergraduates or
    even MBA's with little workplace experience often haven't developed as
    strong of a business network of contacts. So depending on the profile of
    your typical MBA, I would also suggest that you have some projects in your
    back pocket so to speak (just in case). This has proven to be a useful
    strategy for me.

    A word of caution is that you need to help students understand the entry and
    contracting process and even practice this in class. Students need to be
    clear on their expectations and I have also found it useful to contact
    clients in order to make sure that they understand both the scope of the
    project (that this is not grunt work) and the expectations on both sides
    (e.g. access, availability, what type of feedback do you (as an instructor)
    want back from the client, etc.). Also, depending on the nature of the
    project you may need to build in some class mechanisms to support the
    project teams (i.e. confidentiality, etc.) If it is appropriate to the
    project, I have also had great success inviting clients to hear the
    consulting teams presentations, and critique deliverables.

    Hope this helps and best wishes,

    Eric Goodman, Ph.D.
    Colorado Technical University
    <EGoodman@COS.Coloradotech.edu>


  • 5.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-01-2000 20:18
    From: Steve Harper <steve.harper@pragmatek.com>

    As someone working in the consulting field, I would pose the question as to
    whether you are trying to teach consulting skills, marketing skills, or
    both. I work for a consulting firm rather than as an independent primarily
    because, while I enjoy the consulting enormously, I am a poor marketing
    person in terms of cold-calling, lead generation, lead qualification, etc.,
    (i.e. identifying my own projects). I believe very strongly that
    consultants need some marketing skills, but those skills really kick in
    when talking with an already-qualified client. At that point I am sitting
    in front of someone who is ready to buy and I am talking about what their
    expectations are, how I would do the project, what the deliverables would
    be, what resources I need from them, timeline, budget, etc.. At that point
    I am the "product" they are evaluating for a potential purpose and I am
    speaking to them about the specific skills and experience I bring to the
    table. That type of marketing activity is a standard part of the business
    for an experienced, senior-level consultant.

    The skills necessary to generate leads and to qualify potential clients are
    different. Those skills revolve around networking, gathering market
    intelligence, learning bottom-up AND top-down selling, etc.. While those
    are skills an independent consultant requires (in their marketing role),
    they are not necessarily ones that a consultant requires when they utilize
    professional sales people. In addition, for those of us who are the wrong
    personality types for sales activity (i.e. don't deal well with rejection),
    the entire process of trying to generate leads, identify projects, and
    qualify clients can be extremely discouraging (I speak from personal
    experience).

    I realize I am speaking from a non-academic perspective, having never tried
    to develop or teach a class in this topic, but my personal experience
    suggests a clear distinction between marketing and delivery. Finding a
    project is marketing, doing the project is delivery. Some folks are very
    successful at both, but most people have a preference for one or the other
    role -- not both.

    Steve Harper
    =======================================
    Email: Steve.Harper@pragmatek.com
    Website: www.PRAGMATEK.com
    PRAGMATEK Consulting Group, Ltd.
    Rochester, NY
    =======================================
    "One must learn by doing the thing, for though you
    think you know it, you have no certainty until you try."
    --Aristotle
    =======================================


  • 6.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-01-2000 20:18
    From: Jay Warner <a2q@execpc.com>

    Debra,

    My experience: Working with future engineers, under grads. Problem, how to
    get into their heads some 'advanced' statistics.

    Solution, found after 3 tries of different things:

    Take the students to the problem. Find a project and engineer willing to
    have
    us in. Kick the tires of the equipment, walk through the paint line (when
    it
    is off!), then sit down, with the techs & operators, and work on the
    problem.
    Use my A2Q 12-step Plan(tm). Stand back and let them go for it. Worked
    every
    time.

    If I didn't take the students to the problem, it didn't work. No way.

    I bet that your MBA students would not be able to do it from a distance,
    either.
    I recommend you find the project for them. One with facets that small
    groups
    could undertake.

    Jay

    --
    Jay Warner
    Principal Scientist
    Warner Consulting, Inc.
    4444 North Green Bay Road
    Racine, WI 53404-1216
    USA

    Ph: (262) 634-9100
    FAX: (262) 681-1133
    email: quality@a2q.com
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    The A2Q Method (tm). What do you want to improve today?


  • 7.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-01-2000 20:18
    From: Fred Nickols [mailto:nickols@att.net]

    In response to Debra Connelley:

    For what it's worth, when I received my initial training as a consultant,
    your first thoughts are exactly what I encountered. A group of us were
    undergoing training as internal consultants out on Cape Cod and one of our
    first assignments was to go land a client. Me? Well, I was in the Navy at
    the time so the first thing I did was head straight for the police
    station. My reasoning was that they were paramilitary in nature and would
    be open to what might appear a hare-brained idea; namely, them engaging me
    as a consultant with an eye toward doing a little "sensing" of their
    climate. I've always thought it was a useful experience and it tended to
    weed out those who would never, ever become "rainmakers." On the other
    hand, the reality of consulting is that only a few have to make it rain;
    indeed, too many rainmakers spoil the climate to twist an old
    saw. Consulting practices also vary from firm to firm; what flies at
    Booz-Allen & Hamilton isn't necessarily going to fit at BCG or Ernst &
    Whoever. Big firms differ from small firms and internal consulting is a
    world unto itself. I've spent a dozen or so years as an internal and
    another dozen or so as an external, with a lot of that work being done in
    concert with large consulting firms (either as a client or a "stringer" or
    a "sub").

    My basic question to you would be this: "For what kind of practice are you
    envisioning preparing them?"

    > From Debra Connelley <dconn@acsu.buffalo.edu> at SUNY Buffalo
    >
    >I am currently developing a class at the MBA level on consulting practices.
    >I am envisioning a team consulting project as the centerpiece of the
    course.
    >My first thoughts were to make students responsible for finding their own
    >projects (a touch of realism about the field), but some colleagues have
    >expressed doubts that the students would be successful at procuring their
    >own projects. My question is, has anyone else tried this approach, and
    what
    >were your experiences? I'd also welcome any advice, warnings, or success
    >stories from those who have taught such a course in the past. Thanks!
    >
    >Debra L. Connelley
    >Assistant Professor, Organizational Behavior
    >State University of New York at Buffalo
    >dconn@acsu.buffalo.edu

    Fred Nickols
    The Distance Consulting Company
    "Assistance at A Distance"
    http://home.att.net/~nickols/distance.htm
    nickols@att.net
    (609) 490-0095


  • 8.  Teaching consulting practices

    Posted 10-02-2000 03:22
    From: Phillip Rutherford <robnphil@ozemail.com.au>

    Debra,

    Hi. As a teacher of management, including project management, we actively
    encourage students to find their own project. For a start it allows them to
    use real data in their studies - real objectives, parameters, constraints,
    funding, H/R issues and so on. There is no need to manufacture them ala case
    studies or role plays. Secondly, it allows us an opportunity to help them
    enhance their current work practices by given them feedback on issues that
    are directly important to them - such as, figuring out their real
    objective/s and constraints, developing and managing a budget that is
    constrained by policies and issues important to THEIR organisation, and
    helping them deal with H/R issues as and when they arise.

    The bottom line is that we will never know whether or not our students have
    learned what we taught unless, or until, they've applied it on projects that
    they are working on. They may be as competent as all get out in the
    classroom but, until they get back to their workplace and put this stuff
    into action, they aren't yet competent on the job.

    Don't listen to the doubters - just do it!!!! :-)

    Phil Rutherford
    <robnphil@ozemail.com.au>