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  • 1.  AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

    Posted 10-13-2011 14:49
    I'm interested in organising a PDW or competitive paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample to estimate general population means and variances for businesspeople.Preferably based upon empirical research findings.
     
    The full proposals must be submitted by January 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM ET (New York time), so if you wish to participate please notify me now and plan to have your manuscript submission to me around mid-December 2011 at crossculturalcentre@yahoo.com
     
    The conference in Boston, Massachusetts, August 3-7, 2012.

    Apologies...cross postings...etc.
     
    Regards,
    Romie Littrell
    Department of International Business
    Auckland University of Technology, NZ
     
    Hope for the USA? "If something is unsustainable, it will stop."--Herb Stein, an economic adviser to Richard Nixon
    Romie F. Littrell, BA, MBA,PhD, FIAIR, An fánaí fiáin
    AUT Business School N.Z., romie.littrell@aut.ac.nz
    http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    Facilitator, Leadership & Management in Sub-Sahara Africa Conferences
    Contents copyright Romie F. Littrell


  • 2.  AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

    Posted 10-13-2011 21:37

    Colleagues,

     

    You have probably heard about the Decline Effect.

    I seems relevant to Romie's request.

     

    The Decline Effect, New Yorker Magazine.

    www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer

     

    Disturbing or intriguing.

     

    Best,

     

    Gary Lundquist

     

     

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Romie Littrell
    Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:49 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    I'm interested in organising a PDW or competitive paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample to estimate general population means and variances for businesspeople.Preferably based upon empirical research findings.

     

    The full proposals must be submitted by January 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM ET (New York time), so if you wish to participate please notify me now and plan to have your manuscript submission to me around mid-December 2011 at crossculturalcentre@yahoo.com

     

    The conference in Boston, Massachusetts, August 3-7, 2012.

     

    Apologies...cross postings...etc.

     

    Regards,

    Romie Littrell

    Department of International Business

    Auckland University of Technology, NZ

     

    Hope for the USA? "If something is unsustainable, it will stop."--Herb Stein, an economic adviser to Richard Nixon
    Romie F. Littrell, BA, MBA,PhD, FIAIR, An fánaí fiáin
    AUT Business School N.Z., romie.littrell@aut.ac.nz
    http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    Facilitator, Leadership & Management in Sub-Sahara Africa Conferences
    Contents copyright Romie F. Littrell



  • 3.  AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

    Posted 10-14-2011 09:13

    In relation to the article Gary posted, here's one that takes a critical view of the claims made in it.

     

    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Fred Nickols

    Managing Partner

    Distance Consulting LLC

    Home to "Solution Engineering"

    1558 Coshocton Ave – Suite 303

    Mount Vernon, OH 43050

    www.nickols.us | fred@nickols.us

     

    "We Engineer Solutions to Performance Problems"

     

     

     

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary
    Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:37 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    Colleagues,

     

    You have probably heard about the Decline Effect.

    I seems relevant to Romie's request.

     

    The Decline Effect, New Yorker Magazine.

    www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer

     

    Disturbing or intriguing.

     

    Best,

     

    Gary Lundquist

     

     

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Romie Littrell
    Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:49 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    I'm interested in organising a PDW or competitive paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample to estimate general population means and variances for businesspeople.Preferably based upon empirical research findings.

     

    The full proposals must be submitted by January 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM ET (New York time), so if you wish to participate please notify me now and plan to have your manuscript submission to me around mid-December 2011 at crossculturalcentre@yahoo.com

     

    The conference in Boston, Massachusetts, August 3-7, 2012.

     

    Apologies...cross postings...etc.

     

    Regards,

    Romie Littrell

    Department of International Business

    Auckland University of Technology, NZ

     

    Hope for the USA? "If something is unsustainable, it will stop."--Herb Stein, an economic adviser to Richard Nixon
    Romie F. Littrell, BA, MBA,PhD, FIAIR, An fánaí fiáin
    AUT Business School N.Z., romie.littrell@aut.ac.nz
    http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    Facilitator, Leadership & Management in Sub-Sahara Africa Conferences
    Contents copyright Romie F. Littrell



  • 4.  AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

    Posted 10-14-2011 13:33

    Fred, thanks for sending this particular blog link.  I read it over lunch and came away disheartened.  The author (whom I can't identify from the blog) criticized Lehrer for sweeping generalizations but then himself wrote the following:

     

    "The problem isn't that the Decline Effect happens in science; the problem is that we think psychology and ecology and economics are sciences. They can be approached scientifically, but their conclusions cannot be considered valid outside of their immediate context." 

     

    "The problem isn't the Decline Effect, the problem is you believed the data had the force of  F=ma.  No one should be surprised when medical "truths" turn out to be wrong-- they were never true to begin with."

     

    "And the moment you talk to The New Yorker, your misinterpreted statistical association becomes truth."

     

    So I think the blogger here is ranting against the popular press (and scientists who talk to the popular press) and how it reports on findings too early and too flippantly. But he also seems to be dismissing all empirical research and, in particular, dismissing all research excepts physics. 

     

    Some of the studies described by Lehrer are rigourous meta-analyses, synthesized across multiple studies. They are not "n = 4 studies" (to use another quote from the blog post).  In this post I do not see a substantive criticism of the studies that Lehrer discusses as a basis for his views.

     

    As somone interested in the exchange of knowledge between science and practice, I come away thinking that the blog author believes there is no truth and no value in scientists trying to explain their findings to a broader public. This seems to me to be a nihilistic view of all social science, rather than a targeted criticism of the Decline Effect.

     

    Maybe I missed something?

     

    Ken

     

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Kenneth G. Brown, Ph.D., SPHR

    Associate Professor of Management & Organizations and Tippie Research Fellow

    Editor, Academy of Management Learning & Education

    Henry B. Tippie College of Business

    The University of Iowa

    Iowa City, IA 52242

    Ph: 319.335.3812  Fx: 319.335.1957

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Fred Nickols
    Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 8:13 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    In relation to the article Gary posted, here's one that takes a critical view of the claims made in it.

     

    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Fred Nickols

    Managing Partner

    Distance Consulting LLC

    Home to "Solution Engineering"

    1558 Coshocton Ave – Suite 303

    Mount Vernon, OH 43050

    www.nickols.us | fred@nickols.us

     

    "We Engineer Solutions to Performance Problems"

     

     

     

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary
    Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:37 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    Colleagues,

     

    You have probably heard about the Decline Effect.

    I seems relevant to Romie's request.

     

    The Decline Effect, New Yorker Magazine.

    www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer

     

    Disturbing or intriguing.

     

    Best,

     

    Gary Lundquist

     

     

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Romie Littrell
    Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:49 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    I'm interested in organising a PDW or competitive paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample to estimate general population means and variances for businesspeople.Preferably based upon empirical research findings.

     

    The full proposals must be submitted by January 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM ET (New York time), so if you wish to participate please notify me now and plan to have your manuscript submission to me around mid-December 2011 at crossculturalcentre@yahoo.com

     

    The conference in Boston, Massachusetts, August 3-7, 2012.

     

    Apologies...cross postings...etc.

     

    Regards,

    Romie Littrell

    Department of International Business

    Auckland University of Technology, NZ

     

    Hope for the USA? "If something is unsustainable, it will stop."--Herb Stein, an economic adviser to Richard Nixon
    Romie F. Littrell, BA, MBA,PhD, FIAIR, An fánaí fiáin
    AUT Business School N.Z., romie.littrell@aut.ac.nz
    http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    Facilitator, Leadership & Management in Sub-Sahara Africa Conferences
    Contents copyright Romie F. Littrell



  • 5.  AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

    Posted 10-14-2011 14:36

    Ken:

     

    What I take away from the two articles in question is that unless we are capable of authoritatively and competently examining and critiquing the design and conduct of a research effort, we are not in a good position to question – or accept – its findings.  My bottom-line conclusion is that a great deal of so-called scientific research isn't and its findings are not to be trusted.  On the other hand, I'm equally sure there is a great deal of solid scientific research being conducted and reported.  For me, as a non-scientist, the difficulty lies in knowing which is which and, frankly, I'm darned if I can tell.  Even if I were qualified to evaluate research design, conduct and findings, I would hate to have to do that every time an interesting new or contradictory finding was reported.  It seems to me there ought to be some kind of mechanism for sorting the wheat from the chaff.

     

    Regards,

     

    Fred Nickols

    Managing Partner

    Distance Consulting LLC

    Home to "Solution Engineering"

    1558 Coshocton Ave – Suite 303

    Mount Vernon, OH 43050

    www.nickols.us | fred@nickols.us

     

    "We Engineer Solutions to Performance Problems"

     

     

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brown, Kenneth G
    Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:33 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    Fred, thanks for sending this particular blog link.  I read it over lunch and came away disheartened.  The author (whom I can't identify from the blog) criticized Lehrer for sweeping generalizations but then himself wrote the following:

     

    "The problem isn't that the Decline Effect happens in science; the problem is that we think psychology and ecology and economics are sciences. They can be approached scientifically, but their conclusions cannot be considered valid outside of their immediate context." 

     

    "The problem isn't the Decline Effect, the problem is you believed the data had the force of  F=ma.  No one should be surprised when medical "truths" turn out to be wrong-- they were never true to begin with."

     

    "And the moment you talk to The New Yorker, your misinterpreted statistical association becomes truth."

     

    So I think the blogger here is ranting against the popular press (and scientists who talk to the popular press) and how it reports on findings too early and too flippantly. But he also seems to be dismissing all empirical research and, in particular, dismissing all research excepts physics. 

     

    Some of the studies described by Lehrer are rigourous meta-analyses, synthesized across multiple studies. They are not "n = 4 studies" (to use another quote from the blog post).  In this post I do not see a substantive criticism of the studies that Lehrer discusses as a basis for his views.

     

    As somone interested in the exchange of knowledge between science and practice, I come away thinking that the blog author believes there is no truth and no value in scientists trying to explain their findings to a broader public. This seems to me to be a nihilistic view of all social science, rather than a targeted criticism of the Decline Effect.

     

    Maybe I missed something?

     

    Ken

     

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Kenneth G. Brown, Ph.D., SPHR

    Associate Professor of Management & Organizations and Tippie Research Fellow

    Editor, Academy of Management Learning & Education

    Henry B. Tippie College of Business

    The University of Iowa

    Iowa City, IA 52242

    Ph: 319.335.3812  Fx: 319.335.1957

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Fred Nickols
    Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 8:13 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    In relation to the article Gary posted, here's one that takes a critical view of the claims made in it.

     

    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html

     

     

    Regards,

     

    Fred Nickols

    Managing Partner

    Distance Consulting LLC

    Home to "Solution Engineering"

    1558 Coshocton Ave – Suite 303

    Mount Vernon, OH 43050

    www.nickols.us | fred@nickols.us

     

    "We Engineer Solutions to Performance Problems"

     

     

     

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary
    Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:37 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

     

    Colleagues,

     

    You have probably heard about the Decline Effect.

    I seems relevant to Romie's request.

     

    The Decline Effect, New Yorker Magazine.

    www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer

     

    Disturbing or intriguing.

     

    Best,

     

    Gary Lundquist

     



  • 6.  AOM 2012: Planning for a PDW/paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample

    Posted 11-09-2011 12:25
    We are organising a PDW or competitive paper stream concerning the validity of using university students as a generalisable sample to estimate general population means and variances for businesspeople. Preferably based upon empirical research findings. We need one or two more participants.

    The full proposals must be submitted by January 10, 2012 at 5:00 PM ET (New York time), so if you wish to participate please notify me now and plan to have your manuscript submission to me around mid-December 2011 at crossculturalcentre@yahoo.com

    The conference in Boston, Massachusetts, August 3-7, 2012. Attendance is required to participate.    Apologies...cross postings...etc.
    Regards,
    Romie Littrell
    Department of International Business
    Auckland University of Technology, NZ