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  • 1.  From Jeremiad to Jeroboam -- a brief exegesis on attachments

    Posted 02-23-2000 09:29
    Of my mild jeremiad on attachments, Alice Macpherson writes,

    "I do understand that this list has forbidden them, and I have no problem
    with this. . . . However, I don't think that you can speak about or for the
    whole electronic world. . . . What is painful to me is the _tone_ with
    which those who do not follow the rules on this list are denigrated."

    There must be lists where the policies differ. I can imagine carefully
    controlled lists that use attachments. I don't belong to any of them. The
    universities that host the lists to which I subscribe all state "no
    attachments sent to list." So do the other list hosts through which I
    subscribe, such as Mailbase in the UK. I wasn't speaking for the whole
    Internet world. I reported the policy in the many parts with which I
    interact. This includes lists generated in Scandinavia, the US, the UK,
    Canada and Australia.

    Perhaps I should have been gentler in my last paragraph. On the other hand,
    this issue has been discussed carefully, rationally and in polite, gentle
    tones. I understand the problems that arise when a colleague connected by
    slow modem over a copper wire is forced to download a massive attachment.

    Today's technology is such that one can't merely delete a clunky attached
    file. It chokes the pipe to create a bottleneck. Until one downloads it --
    however much time it takes, including the need to contact the ISP in some
    cases - one cannot get any other mail nor perform any other email related
    work.

    I did not "denigrate" anyone. I didn't cast aspersions on or defame anyone.
    I used irony and mild sarcasm to reprimand thoughtless behavior on an issue
    that has been discussed at great length on this list. The problem is not
    that this behavior was a breach of the rules of this list. This behavior
    caused real problems for members of this list. These problems don't arise
    when the needs represented by list rules are given due respect.

    When I posted my note yesterday, I was working at my school in The
    Norwegian School of Management. We have superb IT support and one of the
    fastest Internet connections available. Today I'm working at my home office
    in the Scandinavian countryside. I received today's MG-ED-DV digest over a
    modem and a copper wire, and I respond by the same. A project grant would
    pay for ISDN. The telephone company won't deliver it to my little village
    here for another two to three years. The attachment that caused so much
    trouble to our consternated colleague would have caused me the same problem
    here.

    Massive attachments can jam the connection and cause failure. It took me a
    day to solve the problem of a massive jpeg conference brochure a few months
    back. It came on a Scandinavian holiday and jammed my connection. The rest
    of the world was working, and I needed to respond to some project queries.
    I couldn't. The attachment wouldn't download and I couldn't remove it. I
    had to contact the IT staff, ask someone to physically access my account
    and delete it. I was disabled for nearly 24 hours during a vital project. I
    spent a lot of time and long distance telephony solving the problem. It
    would not have arisen if those who create large jpeg documents understood
    that not all parts of the electronic world are physically able to work the
    same way. In the words of one Internet wit, "The future is here already --
    it's just not evenly distributed."

    I observe that Alice Macpherson writes from Kwantlen University College.
    Her college supports advanced IT services up to and including online
    education. She may therefore not be aware of what life is like for some of
    our colleagues. If she does most of her work from campus or over ISDN, she
    may not be aware of the challenges that massive attachments offer when
    communicating over ordinary telephone lines. Most Word documents work well
    enough, but large documents with many pictures or text treated as images
    creates problems.

    At a certain point, people have a right to be annoyed. If I had been
    blockaded by the attachment in question, I might well have moved beyond
    irony to denigration. As it was, I denigrated no one and my tone was ironic
    rather than harsh.

    Responding to my vision of the future fat-pipe infrastructure, Jay Warner
    writes,

    "And when that day comes, we will send fat graphics laden files that clog
    the fat pipes like cholesterol in old arteries. There's no winning this
    one, gang."

    Of today's world, he concludes:

    "And don't attach clunky files, please. If you want people to feel
    positively toward your endeavor, why would you p--s on them?"

    Those who know their wine know the Jeroboam as an oversized bottle. It is
    not entirely unlike a large, overfilled attachment. Those who remember
    their Bible history will recall the fate of Jeroboam, to whom a prophecy
    was sent in I Kings 14:10:

    "I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam,
    and will cut off from Jeroboam him that p--seth against the wall."

    It wouldn't do to push the Bible analogy too far, but Jay Warner's query -
    "why would you p--s on them?" - deserves consideration.

    Sinners, take warning!



    Ken Friedman, Ph.D.
    Associate Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design
    Department of Knowledge Management
    Norwegian School of Management

    +47 22.98.51.07 Direct line
    +47 22.98.51.11 Telefax

    Home office:

    +46 (46) 53.245 Telephone
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    email: ken.friedman@bi.no


  • 2.  From Jeremiad to Jeroboam -- a brief exegesis on attachments

    Posted 02-23-2000 10:31
    On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Ken Friedman wrote:
    >
    > I observe that Alice Macpherson writes from Kwantlen University College.
    > Her college supports advanced IT services up to and including online
    > education. She may therefore not be aware of what life is like for some of
    > our colleagues. If she does most of her work from campus or over ISDN, she
    > may not be aware of the challenges that massive attachments offer when
    > communicating over ordinary telephone lines. Most Word documents work well
    > enough, but large documents with many pictures or text treated as images
    > creates problems.

    Ken,

    If you had asked I would have told you. Yesterday I received three
    pictures (jpegs) from a colleague in another college through a listserv
    that has more than a hundred members. There were no problems.

    I teach some of my classes online and I have posted, sent, and received
    large electronic files online. I actually _require_ students to do this as
    part of some projects. ;-)

    As a Masters student I correspond and send materials regularly to my
    senior advisor online through ordinary telephone lines.

    I have a clear awareness of the problems that you describe, I just don't
    see them as quite so overwhelming as you seem to see them.

    As I pointed out before I also have no problems with the rules of this
    list, but I think that you could be milder in your response.

    best thinking to you

    alice

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  • 3.  From Jeremiad to Jeroboam -- a brief exegesis on attachments

    Posted 02-23-2000 20:58
    ** Suggestion for the future (haven't been following this discussion, so
    forgive me if it's been offered already): can the listserve software be
    configured to automatically reject mail with attachments?

    Nick Miceli

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    Of my mild jeremiad on attachments, Alice Macpherson writes,

    "I do understand that this list has forbidden them, and I have no problem
    with this. . . . However, I don't think that you can speak about or for the
    whole electronic world. . . . What is painful to me is the _tone_ with which
    those who do not follow the rules on this list are denigrated."
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  • 4.  From Jeremiad to Jeroboam -- a brief exegesis on attachments

    Posted 02-25-2000 14:40
    On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Jayne K Moore wrote:

    > Alice,
    > It seems that because you do not experience this problem you really
    > don't have an idea of how troublesome it can be to others.

    Please rad my previous posts.

    I have clearly said that
    I AGREE WITH THIS POLICY FOR THIS LIST.

    My comments were about how people who did not follow the policy were
    treated.

    I have been off line due to a lockout so I am sorry that I could not reply
    sooner.

    best thinking to you

    alice

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    * Alice Macpherson, TQ, ID phone: (604) 599-2426 vm 9954 *
    * Kwantlen University College email: alicemac@kwantlen.bc.ca *
    * 12666-72nd Ave, Surrey, BC, Canada, V3W 2M8 *
    * "Life Long Learning includes Everyone, All the Time" *
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