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  • 1.  Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs

    Posted 09-15-2004 08:02
    Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs at:
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10766749%255E1
    6946,00.html
    which is reachable through a tiny url too:
    http://tinyurl.com/3n9wh

    Cybercollegially,
    Charles Wankel
    http://management-education.net/


  • 2.  Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs

    Posted 09-15-2004 13:04
    The article has the Australian point of view. How does that fit the rest of the world?

    Edryce

    Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote:
    Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs at:
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10766749%255E1
    6946,00.html
    which is reachable through a tiny url too:
    http://tinyurl.com/3n9wh

    Cybercollegially,
    Charles Wankel
    http://management-education.net/


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  • 3.  Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs

    Posted 09-15-2004 16:26
    From: Karen Tobias [mailto:karen@nma1.org]

    Edryce, and others

    Just wanted to thank you for letting us know about the article on business
    management education. I "listen" in all the time and this is my first
    posting.

    Part of my job responsibilities include keeping our course materials on
    track and making sure we are positioned to meet our members needs. So I am
    always watching the trends in management education.

    We are seeing this trend in our work; that the word "management" is not in
    vogue and is being replaced with the word "leadership". There are several
    reasons for this trend; one is the lack of management positions in the big
    companies. Two, is the focus on teams and the need for team leaders. My
    biggest challenge is handling "the boss" who wants his people to learn
    management/leadership in 40 hours or less. We are under increasing pressure
    to teach the soft skills of management in short time frames (a two hour
    session). This trend seems to be increasing each year. Our members have an
    average age of 45-50 years old, so this is not the fresh graduate saying;
    put me on the fast track.

    One great trend is the demand for management education has increased this
    last 18 months which fits with where the article sees the marketplace going.
    We hope it continues!

    Again, thanks to all of you who share your knowledge and expertise.



    Karen Tobias
    Professional Development
    National Management Association
    Dayton, OH


    -----Original Message-----
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    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Edryce Reynolds
    Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:04 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs

    The article has the Australian point of view. How does that fit the rest of
    the world?

    Edryce

    Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote:
    Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs at:
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10766749%255E1
    6946,00.html
    which is reachable through a tiny url too:
    http://tinyurl.com/3n9wh

    Cybercollegially,
    Charles Wankel
    http://management-education.net/


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  • 4.  Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs

    Posted 09-15-2004 16:34
    I can, on a small scale, echo Karen Tobias' remarks about "management" being
    replaced with "leadership," short time frames, etc.

    I recently completed a two-hour training module on delegation for inclusion
    in the curriculum of a large, successful corporation's management academy.
    One of the final reviewers was from the HR department. I was expecting what
    I thought would be a "sensitivity" review. Instead, it was suggested - and
    quite seriously too - that the word "manager" should be replaced with
    "leader." The rationale proffered was that not all the participants would
    be "managers" but all would be "leaders." I'm still scratching my head over
    that one.

    (No, Karen's organization was not the client.)

    Regards,

    Fred Nickols, CPT
    Distance Consulting
    "Assistance at a Distance"
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us

    Karen wrote in part:

    > Part of my job responsibilities include keeping our course materials on
    > track and making sure we are positioned to meet our members
    > needs. So I am
    > always watching the trends in management education.
    >
    > We are seeing this trend in our work; that the word "management" is not in
    > vogue and is being replaced with the word "leadership". There are several
    > reasons for this trend; one is the lack of management positions in the big
    > companies. Two, is the focus on teams and the need for team leaders. My
    > biggest challenge is handling "the boss" who wants his people to learn
    > management/leadership in 40 hours or less. We are under
    > increasing pressure
    > to teach the soft skills of management in short time frames (a two hour
    > session). This trend seems to be increasing each year. Our
    > members have an
    > average age of 45-50 years old, so this is not the fresh graduate saying;
    > put me on the fast track.


  • 5.  Aussie journalist muses over Mintzberg on MBAs

    Posted 09-15-2004 20:19
    That's a good socialist plan. When I worked for Chinese-owned businesses in China 95-99 we didn't have managers, we had leaders.
    Romie

    Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
    I can, on a small scale, echo Karen Tobias' remarks about "management" being
    replaced with "leadership," short time frames, etc.

    I recently completed a two-hour training module on delegation for inclusion
    in the curriculum of a large, successful corporation's management academy.
    One of the final reviewers was from the HR department. I was expecting what
    I thought would be a "sensitivity" review. Instead, it was suggested - and
    quite seriously too - that the word "manager" should be replaced with
    "leader." The rationale proffered was that not all the participants would
    be "managers" but all would be "leaders." I'm still scratching my head over
    that one.

    (No, Karen's organization was not the client.)

    Regards,

    Fred Nickols, CPT
    Distance Consulting
    "Assistance at a Distance"
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us

    Karen wrote in part:

    > Part of my job responsibilities include keeping our course materials on
    > track and making sure we are positioned to meet our members
    > needs. So I am
    > always watching the trends in management education.
    >
    > We are seeing this trend in our work; that the word "management" is not in
    > vogue and is being replaced with the word "leadership". There are several
    > reasons for this trend; one is the lack of management positions in the big
    > companies. Two, is the focus on teams and the need for team leaders. My
    > biggest challenge is handling "the boss" who wants his people to learn
    > management/leadership in 40 hours or less. We are under
    > increasing pressure
    > to teach the soft skills of management in short time frames (a two hour
    > session). This trend seems to be increasing each year. Our
    > members have an
    > average age of 45-50 years old, so this is not the fresh graduate saying;
    > put me on the fast track.


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    Faculty of Business, Auckland University of Technology
    Private Bag 1020
    Auckland 1020, New Zealand
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