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  • 1.  Management vs Leadership.

    Posted 01-27-1997 07:59
    Dutch Driver wrote:

    >If a scientist sets out to get alcohol from corn or potatoes the end
    >product is likely to be different. One will give you moonshine the other
    >vodka. A different intial premise will get a different conclusion. If
    >you start with leadership and place management under it the result would
    >have been different. Unfortunately, I cannot prove a negative, but if I
    >were present a hundred years ago, I would have done my darnedest to
    >discredit a theory that placed management over leadership.

    I have to disagree, and agree with K.Kemper.

    What good is leadership without a functional context? What does
    leadership do without a goal?

    Is the Chief Engineer "managing" or "leading" his design team? Yes
    the CE organizes the team, thus a management function. Yes the CE plans
    the work to be performed and allocates responsibilities, another set of
    management functions. But in the technical arena (what compensation is
    based on), leadership skills, and technical skills get the job done. How
    does the CE determine what to design? Vodka or motor fuel? Is it
    leaderhip that determines the nature of the CE's group goals or is it
    management performing the overall planning function, i.e. providing the
    cost, quality, quantity, performance criteria to achieve the end result?

    The leadership skills discussed so far are the old out dated leadership
    models, the "follow me boys" model. What about the leader who guides the
    group, letting them set the goals and facititaing them to achieve those
    goals. Every study I have read, showed that the group achieved greater
    accomplishments than any of the members (including the leader) ever thought
    possible. Conclusion, if a group just follows a leader, when the leader
    stops the group does to. I seem to recall a famous POGO cartoon, - "Wait
    for me, for I am your leader!!!"

    I am running into more and more managers and engineers following the newer
    model in actual practice. For those of you who feel that the old school
    managers are untrainable, maybe they are; but one of the byproducts of
    "downsizing/rightsizing" etc., is a change is leadership styles in a lot of
    aerospace groups.


    As a _manager_ in industry and Government, leading was a big chunk of my
    time, but not the majority of it. As a Program Manager, (of a
    multi-million dollar program) leadership was a very small part. Managing
    the execution of the contract was a big part of my effort. Keeping my $$$
    secure and coming was the biggest problem. Was I "leading" the layers of
    Command and Congressional staffers? I don't think so. Was I "leading" the
    other Program Managers who attacked to try to get my funds for their
    programs? I don't think so.

    Ken Hawks
    Rome Laboratory

    Hypothesis: The difference between an art and a science: in a science the
    deffinitions are universally accepted.


  • 2.  Management vs Leadership.

    Posted 02-20-1997 20:30
    So much has been said about leadership and management.
    In my opinion:-
    The Leader is one who visionalise,dreams and also nurture the
    subordinates and perhaps mould them to his ideas.
    He does not plan and only directs and guide, put them in place
    when they deviates from the objectives set.
    On the other hand, the manager will form his team members,set the goals
    and coordinate the details and work out the strategies.
    Every now and then consult the leader if they are on course.

    Regards.