Dear all,
I happened to be married to a P.E. In TN. TN and other states
if you use the term engineer or any other derivative
in a context of advertising yourself as such or claiming
expertise in engineering of any kind, you
and your firm (institution) etc. can be fined
heavily.
Instead of usurping, why not make the engineer part of the
management team?
> >We need to cut upsurping another people's disciplines and
> >do a better job of our own.
> Or we need to admit that the cutting of the pie into disciplines which can
> be staked out into academic empires....
So why not have engineering professionals teach in B schools?
> Why the notion of a scholarly site?
Personally *I hate* scholarly journals. Glad you
agree with me there. I love practical application.
> >Sorry "they" are still part of the problem.
I don't think I "they'd" first but who's quibbling?
The short-term traders not willing to invest in
say mutual funds for ex. 401Ks.
>Exactly who do you mean? Can you be more
> specific? Are you saying that stockholders do not want short term profits?
Ah see above. Not willing to nail down a particular date/day
certain. That is not the point. We all know profit takers
in the stockmarket game. I watch Moneyline every night.
<ahem, clearing throat> not scholarly but indeed timely
and highly informative. Also have mutual fund ticker at
bottom of this now. Fun to see the ups and downs knowing
am in for at least another 10 yrs. or so. Now that's
pretty long term eh?
> >> Instead let's focus on the inability of managers to manage,
> >You got the nail on the head on this one.
>
> Then we may be able to build on this congruity.
Absolutely. Please expand on the above.
> That is what the "practice" part of reflective practice is all about. And
> it is quite different from "profess."
> One proposal is to encourage professors to become practioners; both
> practioners in creating educational experiences and practioners in managing
> -- not as the CEO of a business but rather as a line manager in a business.
Hah hah! I likes it. Hmmm a kind of internship for profs. eh?
<giant smile>
> One of the fundamentals is learning how to measure relevancy. How do you
> measure the relevancy of the management education process you run at UTenn?
I *do* human resource development. I don't *do* management ed.
Have heard horror stories.... I am firmly on the poor
peons side <giant smile> afterall am one myself.
> Another proposal is to recognize that much of management learning is tacit
> rather than explicit, thus is done more effectively *in situ*. This goes
> beyond the kind of distance learning that amounts to bringing the
> "classroom" to the site. It calls instead for creating a learning room
> (better yet a co-learning room) and integrating it with the work room.
Ah, my favorite in OJT. Why not take the classroom to
the job?
> Another proposal, if you must teach in classrooms, is to teach workgroups
> rather than individuals. The power is in the interrelationships, not in
> the individual KSA's.
Tell me more about your group techniques. I know what
my strategies are.
> A more basic proposal is: let's address the question of whether Management
> Education should be left to B Schools.
Ah... I think I answered that. See above.
> But now that people can vote with their keyboards, I believe that Drucker
> had great foresight when he said that people will go to the sources of
> information and learning that suit their needs and will pay handsomely,
> regardless of accreditation.....
Hmmm sounds like just-in-time, just-enough! Gee whiz
a human resource idea! U Ree Kah!
> What does that mean to your long term ability to pay your mortgage there in
> VandyLand?
Mine's almost paid off. Long term planning you know...
Wacchit I'm a VOL FAN. And don't ask who's Payton Manning...
Been nice and stimulating. Like the ideas put forth above.
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Best Regards,
Pat Gantt
pagantt@worldnet.att.net Pat@HomeMail.com
The University of Tennessee M.S. Human Resource Development
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