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  • 1.  Shyness

    Posted 02-14-1997 10:51
    Dear list,

    How about the perspective from the Automotive Manufacturing group.
    I conduct a lot of training, often in some heavy philosophy
    surrounding the principles and concepts of Kaizen (Continuous
    Improvement Tools) and Employee Empowerment.

    I sometimes have a class of up to 55 people from manufacturing,
    many with less than a high school degree mixed with engineers with
    BS's, and other management with Masters degrees in Buisiness and
    Accounting, etc. There are often bosses of bosses of bosses in
    the room, so I feel that I hold most of the intimidation factors
    in one room, but have seldom had a quiet group...nor a group where
    there has been one or two dominating the discussion.

    During the first 20 minutes there is a lot of quietness on the
    participants part, but never yet has it been very long term. I
    have some ideas as to why it works for me and perhaps this might
    be beneficial for others with this concern.

    One the classroom is set up U-shape and not in a series of rows,
    so that the environment is more condusive to communications.
    There is no back row, so that is never an issue.

    I make clear guidelines and involve the group in making rules and
    guidelines too. One rule is no blaming, no criticism of people or
    ideas...take what you like about someones idea or thought and
    expand not debate over who is right or wrong. Another rule is
    that no one can take the floor and not share with everyone.

    I also ask only open ended questions if I am trying to generate
    discussion and closed ended questions if I am trying to end
    discussion. Maybe this is elementary to most of you, I don't
    know..but I never say "Are there any questions?", I ask instead,
    "What questions do you have...?" and I wait a considerably long
    time for them to think about the topic and formulate a question.

    I once heard a lecturer ask, "Any questions before we break for
    lunch?" who was then surprised that no one had any questions.

    I also have found that if I cover a lot of material before opening
    it up for discussion or questions, that most have signed out...I
    lost them by not involving them soon enough, so I ask questions
    early on and throughout the training session, there is never a
    question period or discussion period, if you will.

    I use a lot of overheads in my training. If my first overhead
    slide reads something like:

    Employee Empowerment is Teams using data and improvement
    processes.

    ...I will ask...what kinds of teams have you been on before?...and
    then What is the difference between a team and a group? Questions
    that I know they have an opinion on or the answer, I will ask.
    Discussion is frequent and short, not saved for a big chunk of
    time and detailed...I find this intimidating and unatural in a
    true learning process, because people are thinking all of the time
    and not just listening and then thinking within a 20 minute time
    period.

    Before I ask a question I ask myself...is this a question that
    they can answer? IF no, I won't ask, I will give the answer and
    then question how they understood it to work, or how they could
    apply it to their jobs.

    Another thing I have learned is how I respond to the first person
    who offers input or asks a question determines how the rest of the
    group will behave. I never disagree, correct or argue. I
    aknowlege someones comment, appreciate it (head bow, or a thanks),
    never rate it (i.e. Good question) and always open it up to the
    group...."so what are some other opinions?".. or "what are some
    other experiences with this?"

    Some groups are quieter than others and I will use an ice breaker,
    or some kind of game that directly ties in to the subject (never
    just for the sake of an ice breaker or game) and I have had great
    success breaking people down to small teams of 3.

    I never embarass, point out or humiliate anyone. I don't point to
    anyone who is not paying attention and ask a question...I take
    this as a clue that I am no longer being interesting and I look
    for a way to correct the moment, in my own process, not theirs.

    If I ever have an unusaully quiet group that has withdrawn, I do a
    couple of things... I ask them if they value what we are learing,
    if not then I need to help them find the value or uncover the
    issues preventing them from seeing the value..this usually yields
    more discussion that you had hoped for!

    If they understand the value, I ask them if they understand the
    concept...if yes, do they see how it applies to what they are
    doing...I have found that the cause of a lot of quietness lies in
    one of these questions...they either don't value the topic and
    could not care less to discuss it...do not see how it applies to
    them or their lives, so have nothing to discuss, or have no clue
    what I am talking about and can't even formulate a question or
    contribute to the discussion.

    Other times I have said, I just asked several questions and no one
    has responded. I know that you have the answer, why is no one
    saying anything...and this has opened a lot of discussion, usually
    more that what I had hoped for. From.. we know if we ask a
    question this is going to go past finishing time (not true I tell
    them, we leave on time!)...or we know you want the one right
    answer (if this is true then I caused the problem).

    In a nut shell, I think when there is a lack of participation in
    the room that you as the teacher or facilitator need to find out
    what is going on in the moment and go to where THEY are...you
    can't push people into learning, you have to go where they are and
    follow or entice them into learning. If you don't know where they
    are ASK...you will learn about how you are doing something to stop
    the input. I believe that learning is a process and the problem
    is always found in the process. If your process is not working or
    giving you the results you want, then for goodness sake change it.
    I don't think it is fair to hurt, blame or embarrass a student
    because YOU don't have a good process for enticing discussion.

    Thanks for listening,
    Rick Corcoran
    Employee Empowerment, Continuous Improvement Manager
    Mark 1
    Excel Industries
    INTERNET: corcoranre@excelinc.com


  • 2.  Shyness

    Posted 02-22-1997 11:49
    Thank you for the insights. Good stuff !


    ----------
    > From: RICHARD CORCORAN <CORCORANRE@EXCELINC.COM>
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Shyness
    > Date: Friday, February 14, 1997 7:51 AM
    >
    > Dear list,
    >
    > How about the perspective from the Automotive Manufacturing group.
    > I conduct a lot of training, often in some heavy philosophy
    > surrounding the principles and concepts of Kaizen (Continuous
    > Improvement Tools) and Employee Empowerment.
    >
    > I sometimes have a class of up to 55 people from manufacturing,
    > many with less than a high school degree mixed with engineers with
    > BS's, and other management with Masters degrees in Buisiness and
    > Accounting, etc. There are often bosses of bosses of bosses in
    > the room, so I feel that I hold most of the intimidation factors
    > in one room, but have seldom had a quiet group...nor a group where
    > there has been one or two dominating the discussion.
    >
    > During the first 20 minutes there is a lot of quietness on the
    > participants part, but never yet has it been very long term. I
    > have some ideas as to why it works for me and perhaps this might
    > be beneficial for others with this concern.
    >
    > One the classroom is set up U-shape and not in a series of rows,
    > so that the environment is more condusive to communications.
    > There is no back row, so that is never an issue.
    >
    > I make clear guidelines and involve the group in making rules and
    > guidelines too. One rule is no blaming, no criticism of people or
    > ideas...take what you like about someones idea or thought and
    > expand not debate over who is right or wrong. Another rule is
    > that no one can take the floor and not share with everyone.
    >
    > I also ask only open ended questions if I am trying to generate
    > discussion and closed ended questions if I am trying to end
    > discussion. Maybe this is elementary to most of you, I don't
    > know..but I never say "Are there any questions?", I ask instead,
    > "What questions do you have...?" and I wait a considerably long
    > time for them to think about the topic and formulate a question.
    >
    > I once heard a lecturer ask, "Any questions before we break for
    > lunch?" who was then surprised that no one had any questions.
    >
    > I also have found that if I cover a lot of material before opening
    > it up for discussion or questions, that most have signed out...I
    > lost them by not involving them soon enough, so I ask questions
    > early on and throughout the training session, there is never a
    > question period or discussion period, if you will.
    >
    > I use a lot of overheads in my training. If my first overhead
    > slide reads something like:
    >
    > Employee Empowerment is Teams using data and improvement
    > processes.
    >
    > ...I will ask...what kinds of teams have you been on before?...and
    > then What is the difference between a team and a group? Questions
    > that I know they have an opinion on or the answer, I will ask.
    > Discussion is frequent and short, not saved for a big chunk of
    > time and detailed...I find this intimidating and unatural in a
    > true learning process, because people are thinking all of the time
    > and not just listening and then thinking within a 20 minute time
    > period.
    >
    > Before I ask a question I ask myself...is this a question that
    > they can answer? IF no, I won't ask, I will give the answer and
    > then question how they understood it to work, or how they could
    > apply it to their jobs.
    >
    > Another thing I have learned is how I respond to the first person
    > who offers input or asks a question determines how the rest of the
    > group will behave. I never disagree, correct or argue. I
    > aknowlege someones comment, appreciate it (head bow, or a thanks),
    > never rate it (i.e. Good question) and always open it up to the
    > group...."so what are some other opinions?".. or "what are some
    > other experiences with this?"
    >
    > Some groups are quieter than others and I will use an ice breaker,
    > or some kind of game that directly ties in to the subject (never
    > just for the sake of an ice breaker or game) and I have had great
    > success breaking people down to small teams of 3.
    >
    > I never embarass, point out or humiliate anyone. I don't point to
    > anyone who is not paying attention and ask a question...I take
    > this as a clue that I am no longer being interesting and I look
    > for a way to correct the moment, in my own process, not theirs.
    >
    > If I ever have an unusaully quiet group that has withdrawn, I do a
    > couple of things... I ask them if they value what we are learing,
    > if not then I need to help them find the value or uncover the
    > issues preventing them from seeing the value..this usually yields
    > more discussion that you had hoped for!
    >
    > If they understand the value, I ask them if they understand the
    > concept...if yes, do they see how it applies to what they are
    > doing...I have found that the cause of a lot of quietness lies in
    > one of these questions...they either don't value the topic and
    > could not care less to discuss it...do not see how it applies to
    > them or their lives, so have nothing to discuss, or have no clue
    > what I am talking about and can't even formulate a question or
    > contribute to the discussion.
    >
    > Other times I have said, I just asked several questions and no one
    > has responded. I know that you have the answer, why is no one
    > saying anything...and this has opened a lot of discussion, usually
    > more that what I had hoped for. From.. we know if we ask a
    > question this is going to go past finishing time (not true I tell
    > them, we leave on time!)...or we know you want the one right
    > answer (if this is true then I caused the problem).
    >
    > In a nut shell, I think when there is a lack of participation in
    > the room that you as the teacher or facilitator need to find out
    > what is going on in the moment and go to where THEY are...you
    > can't push people into learning, you have to go where they are and
    > follow or entice them into learning. If you don't know where they
    > are ASK...you will learn about how you are doing something to stop
    > the input. I believe that learning is a process and the problem
    > is always found in the process. If your process is not working or
    > giving you the results you want, then for goodness sake change it.
    > I don't think it is fair to hurt, blame or embarrass a student
    > because YOU don't have a good process for enticing discussion.
    >
    > Thanks for listening,
    > Rick Corcoran
    > Employee Empowerment, Continuous Improvement Manager
    > Mark 1
    > Excel Industries
    > INTERNET: corcoranre@excelinc.com