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  • 1.  Traits vs. behaviors

    Posted 02-15-1997 02:33
    On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Bob Gately wrote:

    > Dutch Driver <ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu> wrote:
    >
    > >>... CA is not a personality disorder
    > or a function of personality it is a
    > behavior and subject to routines of
    > behavior modification...<<
    >
    > Are not personality traits behaviors? And who does the
    > diagnosis and from where? The front of the classroom?

    No. CA is different than introversion. There may be a high correlation
    between introversion and CA, but CA is not a personality trait. Traits
    are persistent and resistant to change. This not the case with students
    who are CA. CA can be treated and thus changed.

    > >>.. I should like to try to make an effort
    > to make that impact on that small minority
    > of students instead of tossing my hands in
    > the air and giving in to their prevailing
    > sense of apathy...<<
    >
    > I am all for each of us helping others to the best of our ability,
    > however, I am against self-appointed therapists standing in the
    > front of the class making determinations of which students need
    > help to overcome some perceived behavioral affliction.

    Not being self-appointed, but being hired by an accredited university to
    teach to the best of my ability and with a vision toward future encounters
    that the students are probably going to encounter when communicating with
    another human being, I'll take this rap. I am guilty of trying to teach
    them to communicate which generally involves a change in their behavior.

    > >>... If the effort is futile, then I do not
    > mind tilting at windmills because with each
    > effort I improve my ability to stay in the
    > saddle for the next joust...<<
    >
    > Uninvited attempts to "improve" another person's life,
    > personality or behaviors are not considered by most people
    > as a sporting event and definitely are not jousting matches
    > to be won or lost.
    >
    > Bob
    >

    ______________________
    Great Optimism,

    Dutch Driver
    Dept. of Communication
    McMurry University
    Abilene, TX
    ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu


  • 2.  Traits vs. behaviors

    Posted 02-15-1997 10:49
    Dutch Driver <ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu> wrote:

    >>... CA is different than introversion ...<<

    OK.
    Is it a submissive behavior?
    Is it a diplomatic behavior?
    Is it a cooperative behavior?
    Is it a reserved behavior?
    Is the quiet person just very stable?
    Is the quiet person just very poised?
    Is the quiet person just very relaxed?

    People with all of these personality traits may be quiet,
    but for different reasons. Most managers cannot tell
    which trait is causing an employee to be quiet thus many
    managers presume the same cause for all.

    My point is, one behavior trait should not be used to justify
    changing it unless it is your own trait.

    >>... CA can be treated and thus changed ..<<

    What do you mean treated? Is it disorder?
    If it is a problem of insufficent knowledge,
    then education should correct it.

    >>... being hired by an accredited university to
    teach to the best of my ability and with a vision
    toward future encounters that the students are
    probably going to encounter when communicating
    with another human being, I'll take this rap...<<

    Fine, but if you do not succeed in all your attempts are you doing
    more harm than good with the failures?

    >>... I am guilty of trying to teach
    them to communicate which generally
    involves a change in their behavior...<<

    I agree. I suppose you need to see them communicating to know if
    they learned how to communicate.

    Bob


  • 3.  Traits vs. behaviors

    Posted 02-15-1997 11:24
    On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Bob Gately wrote:

    /clipped/
    > >>... I am guilty of trying to teach
    > them to communicate which generally
    > involves a change in their behavior...<<
    >
    > I agree. I suppose you need to see them communicating to know if
    > they learned how to communicate.

    Sadly, I know of no other way to assess communication skills other than
    becoming an mind-reader.

    ______________________
    Great Optimism,

    Dutch Driver
    Dept. of Communication
    McMurry University
    Abilene, TX
    ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu