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  • 1.  Antithesis

    Posted 02-26-1997 15:33
    On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Bob Gately wrote:

    > Yes, and if a student is willing to take advantage of the opportunity
    > for personal growth, all the better, but to expect most students to
    > take this personal growth step is expecting too much.
    >

    Bob has made an excellent antithetical case against expecting too much
    without making a case for what expectations would be "just right." For
    the school as well as the student, and the prospective future employer.

    I guess I am wary of the perpetual critic who has no plan to propose in
    place of the status quo. I am looking for synthesis.

    ______________________
    Great Optimism,

    Dutch Driver
    Dept. of Communication
    McMurry University
    Abilene, TX
    ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu


  • 2.  Antithesis

    Posted 02-26-1997 17:32
    Dutch Driver <ddriver@CS1.MCM.EDU> wrote:

    >>... Bob has made an excellent antithetical
    case against expecting too much without making
    a case for what expectations would be "just right."
    For the school as well as the student, and the
    prospective future employer...<<

    Schools and professors cannot know what constitutes job fit
    for the millions of employers and their millions of job
    classifications thus they ought not to be overly concerned
    with job fit--that is the job of the employer. Professors ought
    to spend their time imparting/developing as much knowledge and
    understanding that their students can acquire in the limited
    time available.

    >>... I guess I am wary of the perpetual
    critic who has no plan to propose in
    place of the status quo. I
    am looking for synthesis...<<

    Professors may not like this, but they are really
    powerless to know what constitutes job fit for a
    particular employer.

    I solve the job fit problem every day--that is my business--all I am
    saying is that professors have their jobs to do and employers have
    their jobs to do and one cannot do the other's job. Job fit is
    determined by the demands of the job and the needs of the employer,
    not by B-Schools and their professors. Why do you think MBA's
    have such a poor reputation in many circles? Too many MBA's
    lack job fit and thus fail in the job and the employer blames
    the MBA and not the hiring manager who should not have hired
    the MBA who did not have job fit. Vicious cycle, but the
    B-Schools are blamed when in fact it is the
    employer who is at fault since only the
    employer can determine job fit.

    We all have our own jobs to do and we should strive to do our jobs the
    best we can and let others do their jobs the best they can. Why is
    it necessary for professors or B-Schools to do the work of tens
    of thousands of hiring managers?

    Bob

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  • 3.  Antithesis

    Posted 02-26-1997 23:54
    On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Bob Gately wrote:

    > Dutch Driver <ddriver@CS1.MCM.EDU> wrote:
    >
    > >>... Bob has made an excellent antithetical
    > case against expecting too much without making
    > a case for what expectations would be "just right."
    > For the school as well as the student, and the
    > prospective future employer...<<
    >
    > Schools and professors cannot know what constitutes job fit
    > for the millions of employers and their millions of job
    > classifications thus they ought not to be overly concerned
    > with job fit--that is the job of the employer. Professors ought
    > to spend their time imparting/developing as much knowledge and
    > understanding that their students can acquire in the limited
    > time available.

    The original question also included students in this equation, though I
    see little to address their part in the process. As a student of
    communication, feedback is an approriate part of the process. I think
    that standards prevent the kind of lecturing that I sense is being
    advocated here. Just preach the knowledge and forget the teaching.


    ______________________
    Great Optimism,

    Dutch Driver
    Dept. of Communication
    McMurry University
    Abilene, TX
    ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu