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  • 1.  B-Schools standards

    Posted 02-27-1997 00:06
    On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Bob Gately wrote:

    > Yes, and that is the job of the hiring manager--to identify
    > which MBA's have the leadership or other traits that are
    > necessary for achieving success on the job.

    I believe characteristics is the more apt term. Otherwise, B-school would
    be waste of time because there would be born leaders and no ghost of a
    chance at training anyone to be a leader.

    > MBA schools turn out all three. If we want to identify
    > the best MBAs to hire we need to know what it is we want
    > to hire and then identify which applicants come the
    > closest to what we want.

    So the hiring managers are to have a standard but the schools are not?
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    Dutch Driver
    Dept. of Communication
    McMurry University
    Abilene, TX
    ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu


  • 2.  B-Schools standards

    Posted 02-27-1997 08:20
    Dutch Driver <ddriver@CS1.MCM.EDU> wrote:

    >>... Otherwise, B-school would be waste
    of time because there would be born leaders
    and no ghost of a chance at training anyone
    to be a leader...<<

    If B-Schools created leaders, the US would be overstocked with great
    leaders with MBAs (70,000+/- graduate per year). Is anyone willing to
    assert that we have an over abundance of MBAs who are effective leaders?

    Seems to me the employers of MBA's argue just the opposite. I would
    argue that B-Schools do not turn non-leaders into leaders, but rather
    they educate leaders and non-leaders alike. Both groups, leaders and
    non-leaders, need to have the same business knowledge and skills and
    to confuse knowledge and skill with leadership is to devalue leadership.

    Many B-School students should be described as managers, not leaders.
    Employers ought to hire job applicants with leadership abilities if
    they want leaders. Some MBA's are leaders, but like most of the
    working population most are not.

    Dr. Zaleznik, former Konosuke Matsushita Professor of Leadership at the
    Harvard Business School and is a clinical psychoanalyst, asserts in
    "The Managerial Mystique: Restoring Leadership in Business" that managers,
    by their very nature, thrive on control, therefore anything that they
    perceive as costing them control is unsettling and is to be avoided.
    Managers do not allow themselves the luxury of failure whereas a leader
    will try, fail and try again all the while learning new and valuable
    lessons. The manager on the other hand learns only one lesson in
    life--don't fail--and to ensure non-failure managers seldom take risks.

    On page 23 of Dr. Zaleznik's book he writes:

    "Whereas managers focus of process, leaders
    focus on imaginative ideas. Leaders are not
    only dreamers, but stimulate and drive other
    people to work hard and create reality out of ideas...

    ...In comparison to visionary leaders such as...Sam
    Walton, managers are practical people. Typically
    they are hard working, intelligent, analytical
    and tolerant of others. Because they hold few
    convictions with passion, except perhaps the
    need to extract order out of potential chaos,
    they exhibit a high degree of fair-mindedness
    in dealing with people.

    Leaders are more dramatic in style and
    unpredictable behavior. They seem to overcome
    the conflict between order and chaos with an
    authority legitimized by personal magnetism
    and a commitment to their own undertakings
    and destinies."




    >>... So the hiring managers are to
    have a standard but the schools are not? ...<<

    Close. A hiring manager's job is different from that of a school.
    Schools prepare students for a universe of job opportunities and
    challenges, whereas a hiring manager only needs one person, doing
    one job, working for a particular manager/supervisor. There is no
    possibility of schools knowing what a particular manager needs,
    therefore schools ought to do their best to educate their students
    the best they can in the areas in which they educate.

    >>... As a student of communication, feedback
    is an appropriate part of the process. I think
    that standards prevent the kind of lecturing
    that I sense is being advocated here. Just
    preach the knowledge and forget the teaching...<<

    I agree with you that teaching is important, but we must differentiate
    between teaching the students so they can learn and preparing students
    for success in all jobs. You can do the former, but you cannot do the
    later. Why must B-Schools believe that each student will be a good
    employee for all employers? If schools educated their students and
    the public in the concept of job fit the schools would go along way
    to defusing the problem. Since no school has ever prepared all its
    graduates to be successful in all jobs it seems logical that schools
    would not want to encourage the public to think otherwise. A piece of
    paper from a university is not a guarantee of success on the job. We
    all know too many arrogant, insensitive, me first, loners with MBA's
    to think that B-schools always turnout great employees.

    An poorly performing employee who earns an MBA is likely to be a poorly
    performing employee with an MBA, unless of course the MBA provided the
    skills and knowledge the employee needed to perform the job well.

    There is more to success than knowledge and skills.

    Bob

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