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  • 1.  Teaching leaders

    Posted 03-03-1997 09:27
    I thought I would share my response to Julie's question from another list,
    since the question was raised about how do we teach leaders. For sake of
    discussion here, I have added on some bits of wisdom I have collected in
    regards to this question in the addendum.

    On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Julie wrote:

    > I am a student at the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science. I am
    > taking a course called leadership and development. One of our assignments
    > was to join a listserv and post a question regarding leadership. I hope
    > someone could help me. My question is:
    > Who do you consider to be the most influential and inspirational leader today
    > in the United States and why?

    I know that this will be considered trite, but I nominate the person who
    is reading this message down to this period.

    You may ask why--and you should. The person who is reading this response
    acknowledges that there some intangible skill involved with leadership
    that you do not yet possess. And, if you ask enough questions you will
    understand what IT is that you are lacking IT will enable you to become
    the leader you want to be. So you study, and read, and study, and read
    until you understand that you have the capacity and the capability to lead
    but you still lack the one essential ingredient. And, still IT eludes
    your grasp. IT is just there--close enough for you to see IT, close
    enough for you to brush IT gently with your eyelashes. You developed
    an intimate vocabulary with IT. IT tantalizes you with its teasing
    knowledge of your short-comings.

    Then one day, IT finds an ally and the two team-up against you. You begin
    to lose ground in your attempt to become the choragus you desperately seek
    to become.

    Each of us has our IT and its more than willing ally, Julie. The fact of
    the matter is, when you identify your IT and defeat IT, you will be the
    most influential leader in the U. S. I believe that the battle for
    influence begins and ends with each single person. I did not give you
    the easy answer you were most likely seeking, yet it is one that is truer
    than if I had answered with _____________.

    Good luck with your paper.
    _____________________________________
    Addendum:

    A clay pot sitting in the sun will always be a clay pot. It has to go
    through the white heat of the furnace to become porcelain.
    --Mildred Witte Stouven

    So it goes with the teaching of leaders, they should be put in situations
    where they have to step up and take command of the situation. One of the
    courses I took in the MBA program at Texas A&M required groupwork, as a
    student of communication, not business, I applaud the requirement despite
    the massive physical and psychological effort it took to get it done. I
    grew in that process thus confirming my belief in the following bit of
    wisdom.


    Do you remember being in left field? Thinking to yourself--`Don't hit the
    ball to me. Don't hit the ball to me.'

    I believe that there is a fundemental change in a kid's life when that
    thought changes into `Hit the ball to me. I want the ball. Hit it to
    me.'
    Paraphrased from Jody Powell on PBS' documentary "Baseball"

    And I believe this to be true of leaders.
    ______________________
    Great Optimism,

    Dutch Driver
    Dept. of Communication
    McMurry University
    Abilene, TX
    ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu


  • 2.  Teaching leaders

    Posted 03-03-1997 14:09
    Dutch,
    You actually reinforce the case I presented back in January - There is no
    such thing as leadership! Would be happy to re-post if anyone's
    interested.
    Regards,
    Dave

    On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Dutch Driver wrote:

    > I thought I would share my response to Julie's question from another list,
    > since the question was raised about how do we teach leaders. For sake of
    > discussion here, I have added on some bits of wisdom I have collected in
    > regards to this question in the addendum.
    >
    > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Julie wrote:
    >
    > > I am a student at the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science. I am
    > > taking a course called leadership and development. One of our assignments
    > > was to join a listserv and post a question regarding leadership. I hope
    > > someone could help me. My question is:
    > > Who do you consider to be the most influential and inspirational leader today
    > > in the United States and why?
    >
    > I know that this will be considered trite, but I nominate the person who
    > is reading this message down to this period.
    >
    > You may ask why--and you should. The person who is reading this response
    > acknowledges that there some intangible skill involved with leadership
    > that you do not yet possess. And, if you ask enough questions you will
    > understand what IT is that you are lacking IT will enable you to become
    > the leader you want to be. So you study, and read, and study, and read
    > until you understand that you have the capacity and the capability to lead
    > but you still lack the one essential ingredient. And, still IT eludes
    > your grasp. IT is just there--close enough for you to see IT, close
    > enough for you to brush IT gently with your eyelashes. You developed
    > an intimate vocabulary with IT. IT tantalizes you with its teasing
    > knowledge of your short-comings.
    >
    > Then one day, IT finds an ally and the two team-up against you. You begin
    > to lose ground in your attempt to become the choragus you desperately seek
    > to become.
    >
    > Each of us has our IT and its more than willing ally, Julie. The fact of
    > the matter is, when you identify your IT and defeat IT, you will be the
    > most influential leader in the U. S. I believe that the battle for
    > influence begins and ends with each single person. I did not give you
    > the easy answer you were most likely seeking, yet it is one that is truer
    > than if I had answered with _____________.
    >
    > Good luck with your paper.
    > _____________________________________
    > Addendum:
    >
    > A clay pot sitting in the sun will always be a clay pot. It has to go
    > through the white heat of the furnace to become porcelain.
    > --Mildred Witte Stouven
    >
    > So it goes with the teaching of leaders, they should be put in situations
    > where they have to step up and take command of the situation. One of the
    > courses I took in the MBA program at Texas A&M required groupwork, as a
    > student of communication, not business, I applaud the requirement despite
    > the massive physical and psychological effort it took to get it done. I
    > grew in that process thus confirming my belief in the following bit of
    > wisdom.
    >
    >
    > Do you remember being in left field? Thinking to yourself--`Don't hit the
    > ball to me. Don't hit the ball to me.'
    >
    > I believe that there is a fundemental change in a kid's life when that
    > thought changes into `Hit the ball to me. I want the ball. Hit it to
    > me.'
    > Paraphrased from Jody Powell on PBS' documentary "Baseball"
    >
    > And I believe this to be true of leaders.
    > ______________________
    > Great Optimism,
    >
    > Dutch Driver
    > Dept. of Communication
    > McMurry University
    > Abilene, TX
    > ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu
    >


  • 3.  Teaching leaders

    Posted 03-03-1997 17:12
    On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, David J. Lemak wrote:

    > Dutch,
    > You actually reinforce the case I presented back in January - There is no
    > such thing as leadership! Would be happy to re-post if anyone's
    > interested.
    > Regards,
    > Dave

    I am going to ask how what I wrote reinforces the case that there is no
    such thing as leadership. So, repost if needed, but a clarification using
    my post for support of your case would be better. I just don't see them
    as being linked.

    ______________________
    Great Optimism,

    Dutch Driver
    Dept. of Communication
    McMurry University
    Abilene, TX
    ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu


  • 4.  Teaching leaders

    Posted 03-03-1997 17:37
    Dutch,
    I have made some brief comments, and included my original post at the
    end. Enjoy.
    Regards
    Dave

    On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, David J. Lemak wrote:

    > Dutch,
    > You actually reinforce the case I presented back in January - There is no
    > such thing as leadership! Would be happy to re-post if anyone's
    > interested.
    > Regards,
    > Dave
    >
    > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Dutch Driver wrote:
    >
    > > I thought I would share my response to Julie's question from another list,
    > > since the question was raised about how do we teach leaders. For sake of
    > > discussion here, I have added on some bits of wisdom I have collected in
    > > regards to this question in the addendum.
    > >
    > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Julie wrote:
    > >
    > > > I am a student at the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science. I am
    > > > taking a course called leadership and development. One of our assignments
    > > > was to join a listserv and post a question regarding leadership. I hope
    > > > someone could help me. My question is:
    > > > Who do you consider to be the most influential and inspirational leader today
    > > > in the United States and why?
    > >
    > > I know that this will be considered trite, but I nominate the person who
    > > is reading this message down to this period.
    > >
    > > You may ask why--and you should. The person who is reading this response
    > > acknowledges that there some intangible skill involved with leadership
    > > that you do not yet possess. And, if you ask enough questions you will
    > > understand what IT is that you are lacking IT will enable you to become
    > > the leader you want to be. So you study, and read, and study, and read
    > > until you understand that you have the capacity and the capability to lead
    > > but you still lack the one essential ingredient. And, still IT eludes
    > > your grasp. IT is just there--close enough for you to see IT, close
    > > enough for you to brush IT gently with your eyelashes. You developed
    > > an intimate vocabulary with IT. IT tantalizes you with its teasing
    > > knowledge of your short-comings.
    > >
    > > Then one day, IT finds an ally and the two team-up against you. You begin
    > > to lose ground in your attempt to become the choragus you desperately seek
    > > to become.

    To wit, I contend there is no IT (as a social science construct), but even
    if there is, we can't define it,
    and we certainly can't teach anyone about it (IT), or how to deal with it
    or how to defeat it.


    > > Each of us has our IT and its more than willing ally, Julie. The fact of
    > > the matter is, when you identify your IT and defeat IT, you will be the
    > > most influential leader in the U. S. I believe that the battle for
    > > influence begins and ends with each single person. I did not give you
    > > the easy answer you were most likely seeking, yet it is one that is truer
    > > than if I had answered with _____________.

    Now, if we can define IT as some recognition that most of our shortcomings
    and limitations are self-imposed, I reply yea, verily and hear, hear!

    > > Good luck with your paper.
    > > _____________________________________
    > > Addendum:
    > >
    > > A clay pot sitting in the sun will always be a clay pot. It has to go
    > > through the white heat of the furnace to become porcelain.
    > > --Mildred Witte Stouven
    > >
    > > So it goes with the teaching of leaders, they should be put in situations
    > > where they have to step up and take command of the situation. One of the
    > > courses I took in the MBA program at Texas A&M required groupwork, as a
    > > student of communication, not business, I applaud the requirement despite
    > > the massive physical and psychological effort it took to get it done. I
    > > grew in that process thus confirming my belief in the following bit of
    > > wisdom.
    > >
    > >
    > > Do you remember being in left field? Thinking to yourself--`Don't hit the
    > > ball to me. Don't hit the ball to me.'
    > >
    > > I believe that there is a fundemental change in a kid's life when that
    > > thought changes into `Hit the ball to me. I want the ball. Hit it to
    > > me.'
    > > Paraphrased from Jody Powell on PBS' documentary "Baseball"
    > >
    > > And I believe this to be true of leaders.

    Exactly - and that's why we can't teach it. See below.

    ______________________
    > > Great Optimism,
    > >
    > > Dutch Driver
    > > Dept. of Communication
    > > McMurry University
    > > Abilene, TX
    > > ddriver@cs1.mcm.edu

    A repost of "There is no such thing as leadership"

    What do we (as social scientists) mean by "leadership"? It is nothing more
    than a construct. If a construct is to be useful (i.e., to help us
    understand and predict a phenomenon), it should have some specific
    properties. It should be precisely and uniquely defined, it should be
    measureable, and those measurements should be reliable and valid.

    At this point, let me ask a simple question. What is your definition of
    "management"? While it may have a number of dimensions, most of us would
    agree that it has something to do with organizing, allocating and using
    resources to achieve some goal or outcome in an efficient manner.

    What is "leadership?" Part of the answer can be found in the OB literature
    going back to the 1950s. There is: the trait approach, the Ohio State and
    Michigan studies, the Blake Mouton leadership grid, the Feidler
    contingency model, the House and Mitchell path-goal model, the Schmidt and
    Tannebaum behavioral model, the Vroom-Yetton-Jago model, the leader-member
    exchange model, the life cycle model and now, the all new and improved
    "transformational" leader model. Near as I can tell, we do not have a
    unique, operational definition to even start the debate. So, how can we
    proceed with the measurement of the phenomenon in any reliable and valid
    way if we can't even define it? If the answer is that there are "many"
    definitions, then the arguement still holds, if leadership is 'everything"
    then it is nothing.

    So where does that leave us? Much like the arguments about pornography - I
    can't define it, but I know it when I see it. Just because leadership has
    no construct validity in social science doesn't mean that there are not
    certain people who can influence people to do things they might not
    otherwise do, like throw themselves on live hand grenades or work 90 hour
    weeks developing software. Rather, we are left to ask ourselves, what is
    the nature of that phenomenon, and how do we understand it?

    Going back full circle to Fayol, I would argue that those in organizations
    who do managerial kinds of things sometimes exhibit that phenomenon in any
    number of ways - communication skills, interpersonal skills, listening
    skills, etc. All of these can be taught in management classes (or at least
    practiced in the low threat environment of the classroom). Teach
    leadership? I don't think so - remember, we can't even define it! Teach
    management ideas/concepts-sure! Develop, hone and practice management
    skills (speaking, writing working in teams, etc. - absolutely!

    Anyway, I hoped to bring a new dimension to the debate. Arguing that
    behavior A is manangement and behavior B is leadership is fruitless, in my
    humble opinion.


    Enjoy! With thanks and acknowledgement to Col Chuck Yoos, U.S. Air Force
    Academy, for many bouts of intellectual jousting in this and other arenas.

    Regards to all
    Dave Lemak


  • 5.  Teaching leaders

    Posted 03-11-1997 15:45
    Dutch Driver
    I sent a response to the List. If it doesn't appear, how should I address it?
    Many thanks.
    Emil Zahner