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  • 1.  Leadership Training

    Posted 03-05-1997 10:02
    Dear List,

    I have been monitoring the recent discussions on leadership
    training on the list, as I am coming to a close on conducting
    leadership training for our Senior staff.

    I read comments from the list that "we can't define leadership",
    "it is not something that is trainable...", "there is no
    difference between leaders and managers, "you can't train managers
    to be leaders", etc., but I have just completed the first phase of
    training and none of the 7 people in the class have had a
    difficult time in understanding the difference in the terms, the
    behavior, the application or usefullness.

    We have a definition, a process and measurables. Maybe we are
    training something other than leadership, maybe we have
    oversimplified it. I don't know.

    For awhile, I have stayed out of the discussion on leadership
    because it looked like we were at a stale mate and the only thing
    I could contribute would have been things that I have added
    before. But it has still been gnawing at me....

    I am not sure what I expect to get from posting this post, but I
    feel better after having said that.

    Thanks for listening (reading),

    Rick Corcoran
    internet:"corcoranre@excelinc.com"


  • 2.  Leadership Training

    Posted 03-05-1997 19:12
    Rick,
    I can only comment from my social science perspective, but much of
    what I am arguing is from a strict definitonal, measurement,
    methodological slant. Still, I'll try to give you some food for thought
    below.
    Regards,
    Dave

    On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, RICHARD CORCORAN wrote:

    > Dear List,
    >
    > I have been monitoring the recent discussions on leadership
    > training on the list, as I am coming to a close on conducting
    > leadership training for our Senior staff.
    >
    > I read comments from the list that "we can't define leadership",
    > "it is not something that is trainable...", "there is no
    > difference between leaders and managers, "you can't train managers
    > to be leaders", etc., but I have just completed the first phase of
    > training and none of the 7 people in the class have had a
    > difficult time in understanding the difference in the terms, the
    > behavior, the application or usefullness.

    Without getting into an esoteric discourse, let me instead simply ask,
    would your definitions, behaviors etc. lead you the same conclusion about
    the following individuals: John F. Kennedy, Fidel Castro, Martin Luther
    King, Josef Stalin, Vince Lombardi, Harry Truman, Pope John, Jim Baker,
    Margaret Thatcher, Adolf Hitler - all very famous (or infamous) leaders?
    And then let me ask, whatever happened to Lek Walensa, Mikel Gorbachov,
    Michael Dukakis, Steven Jobs, and Lee Iaocca. One day they're leaders, the
    next day they're not? Why? Could your program train (or retrain) them to
    be leaders?


    > We have a definition, a process and measurables. Maybe we are
    > training something other than leadership, maybe we have
    > oversimplified it. I don't know.

    Again, if you were to rank order the above leaders using your
    measureables, how would it come out, and why?

    > For awhile, I have stayed out of the discussion on leadership
    > because it looked like we were at a stale mate and the only thing
    > I could contribute would have been things that I have added
    > before. But it has still been gnawing at me....
    >
    > I am not sure what I expect to get from posting this post, but I
    > feel better after having said that.

    Me too! Enjoy!
    Dave

    > Thanks for listening (reading),
    >
    > Rick Corcoran
    > internet:"corcoranre@excelinc.com"
    >