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  • 1.  Hiring (managers) for attitude

    Posted 05-03-1997 23:30
    On Fri, 2 May 1997, Emil Zahner <75114.11@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:
    >Subject: Re: Hiring for attitude
    >
    >from May 1.
    >> Also, a well known management consultant estimates that only 2.5%
    >> of the corporate managers he works with have the leadership ability
    >> to implement the changes that are recognized and agreed to as needed.
    >
    >What about the competence of those who are selecting and hiring these
    >managers? -- snip -- She is learning on the job (absolutely
    >positive), possibly with an unnecessary amount of wrong decisions paid for
    >by employees, customers. - Any takers?

    Here are some remarks in response to Emil's trigger --
    Over 90% of managers cannot describe the work in their group, the key
    success factors, nor the KSA's required, let alone the personality types
    preferred.

    They got to be managers through promotions from other managers with similar
    inabilities. Accordingly, most organizations are Clubs, run by the
    minority who sieze control through political, power-brokering bazaars or by
    the badge of their blue blood (or brown nose).

    Why? Because there are very few places one can learn what it means to be a
    manager let alone practice being one. Drucker's old book, The Practice of
    Management is still one of the best places to go. Also, GE's old
    Professional Business Management materials are valuable on the
    "underground" market.

    Any employee knows "manager" pays more and has more perks so few
    purposefully avoid the opportunity but they don't have much help, role
    models, etc., once they get there. So, guess what, they use trial and
    error on all those little critters in the cage underneath them. Some learn
    fast. Some do not. Some critters learn fast (and would learn even faster
    if there were decent management learning environments available) and some
    just suffer.

    When the smoke clears, we need only one manager for every five to twenty
    people. What about the other 4 to 19 people?

    Or should we come to understand that "manager" is a process, at most a
    role, a responsibility, but certainly not a priviledge -- and strive to let
    everyone participate in managing to the level they prefer?

    Meanwhile, examinations of "attitude" are like arranging deck chairs on the
    Titanic.

    "Jack Ring"


  • 2.  Hiring (managers) for attitude

    Posted 05-04-1997 11:37
    Jack Ring <jring@AMUG.ORG> wrote:

    >>... Over 90% of managers cannot describe
    the work in their group, the key success
    factors, nor the KSA's required, let
    alone the personality types preferred...<<

    I used to think it would be close to 85% but I keep reading
    higher estimates, ugh.

    >>... They got to be managers through
    promotions from other managers with
    similar inabilities...<<

    Don't managers tend to promote in their own self-image?

    >>... most organizations are Clubs,
    run by the minority who seize control
    through political, power-brokering bazaars
    or by the badge of their blue blood (or brown nose)...<<

    That is a colorful explanation, I like it.

    >>... Why? Because there are very few
    places one can learn what it means to be a
    manager let alone practice being one...<<

    Yes, there are so few managers who know!

    >>... Any employee knows "manager" pays
    more and has more perks so few purposefully
    avoid the opportunity but they don't have
    much help, role models, etc., once they get there...<<

    I think most employees would rationally accept a promotion to
    management since they are trained that the employer knows best.

    >>... they use trial and error on all those
    little critters in the cage underneath them...<<

    Yes, and they quickly learn if they yell and scream at the critters
    below the critters will run faster and faster on the endless treadmill.

    >>... Meanwhile, examinations of "attitude"
    are like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic...<<

    Therefore, we should stick with behaviors.

    Bob

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