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I use Hollywood Motion Pictures from time to time to teach or illustrate

important points in the classroom, particularly in leadership
development and labor relations courses. I am wondering if any of you
use Hollywood Motion Pictures or segments of them to aid in presenting
material/ideas. I will summarize for this List the comments that I
receive.
Thanks,
Jim Phillips
Assistant Professor of Management
Northeastern State University
College of Business and Industry
Tahlequah, Oklahoma 74464
(918) 456-5511 Ext. 2909
philljam@cherokee.nsuok.edu

I'm sure you will receive many replies to advise you never to use
Hollywood Motion Pictures in the classroom as this is a serious breach
of copyright and you risk a very heavy fine.

In message <3431620B.6779FAC4@cherokee.nsuok.edu>, Jim Phillips
<philljam@CHEROKEE.NSUOK.EDU> writes
>I use Hollywood Motion Pictures from time to time to teach or illustrate
>
>important points in the classroom, particularly in leadership
>development and labor relations courses. I am wondering if any of you
>use Hollywood Motion Pictures or segments of them to aid in presenting
>material/ideas. I will summarize for this List the comments that I
>receive.
>Thanks,
>Jim Phillips
>Assistant Professor of Management
>Northeastern State University
>College of Business and Industry
>Tahlequah, Oklahoma 74464
>(918) 456-5511 Ext. 2909
>philljam@cherokee.nsuok.edu

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There may be copyright issues involved here but that's not really my
concern. I think that Jim has hit upon an important issue - that of
engagement. An engaging lesson motivates the students giving them
greater concentration and attention spans and creating a lasting and
resilient impression.

What methods do other members of the list use to make their lessons
engaging?

Ruth.

On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Williams wrote:

> I'm sure you will receive many replies to advise you never to use
> Hollywood Motion Pictures in the classroom as this is a serious breach
> of copyright and you risk a very heavy fine.
>
> In message <3431620B.6779FAC4@cherokee.nsuok.edu>, Jim Phillips
> <philljam@CHEROKEE.NSUOK.EDU> writes
> >I use Hollywood Motion Pictures from time to time to teach or illustrate
> >
> >important points in the classroom, particularly in leadership
> >development and labor relations courses. I am wondering if any of you
> >use Hollywood Motion Pictures or segments of them to aid in presenting
> >material/ideas. I will summarize for this List the comments that I
> >receive.
> >Thanks,
> >Jim Phillips
> >Assistant Professor of Management
> >Northeastern State University
> >College of Business and Industry
> >Tahlequah, Oklahoma 74464
> >(918) 456-5511 Ext. 2909
> >philljam@cherokee.nsuok.edu
>
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To david Williams

Why is it a breach of copyright? Can I not rent the film and show it to my
class?

Glenn

At 07:57 AM 10/1/97 +0100, you wrote:
>I'm sure you will receive many replies to advise you never to use
>Hollywood Motion Pictures in the classroom as this is a serious breach
>of copyright and you risk a very heavy fine.
>

W. Glenn Rowe, Ph.D.
Director, Centre for Management Development
Faculty of Business Administration
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, NF, Canada, A1B 3X5
709 737 7977
709 737 7999 (Fax)

hello, all:

With respect to engagement, one of the approaches that I use is learning
statements. I ask students to reflect upon what they have learned over the
previous quarter (our school year is divided into 4 six week periods).
each quarterly statement of learning is to be a reflection of what they
have learned and more importantly how it is affecting them.

students initially approach them with skepticism: some give me what the
lectures, readings and discussions have given. most begin to go beyond
that to talk about how they are discovering more things about the material
and themselves. my cultural background is onondaga(one of the iroquoian
6 nations). our belief is that one does not learn something until one
takes it inside of oneself. the approach that i use tries to bring this
traditional belief into the classroom.

i use this approach in teaching accounting, organizational behaviour,
strategy, organizational diversity and management thought with much
success. it seems to stimulate more thinking on students' part when they
have
to reflect on what they actually have learned and then write about it.
somehow it brings it inside of them.

i have a cross appointment between native studies and administrative
studies here and teach students from a variety of cultures, primarily
aboriginal and euro-canadian and find that this approach works well in all
these groups.

davidn

>To david Williams
>
>Why is it a breach of copyright? Can I not rent the film and show it to my
>class?
>

Glenn,

The short answer is maybe, with permission. I'm not an expert in these
matters. I just have learned bits and pieces. A film that you rent is fine
for your own viewing. When you show it in a public setting, whether or not
there's a charge, it falls under the copyright laws for public performance.
The long answer is check out the whys, whats and hows at any one of these
sites:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright
http://www.law.cornell.edu/usc/17/overview.html

or try
FTP://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/law/copyright/

where there are both FAQs and myths.

Are there other sites that people can recommend to check into the copyright
laws as relates to showing a film in part or whole in a class setting?



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Ruth

I teach a graduate Strategic Management class to MBAs (1 class per week for
3 hrs) and one thing I do ( I learned it from one of my Doctoral Profs) is
to ask a question at the beginning of class on what they have read for that
class and to then write a one page response for about 15-20 minutes. Then I
start the class with a discussion around that question. Of course the
question has to be somewhat integrative. I sometimes collect the answers
and use them as part of their participation grade.

Glenn

At 10:58 AM 10/1/97 +0100, you wrote:
>There may be copyright issues involved here but that's not really my
>concern. I think that Jim has hit upon an important issue - that of
>engagement. An engaging lesson motivates the students giving them
>greater concentration and attention spans and creating a lasting and
>resilient impression.
>
>What methods do other members of the list use to make their lessons
>engaging?
>
>Ruth.
>
>

W. Glenn Rowe, Ph.D.
Director, Centre for Management Development
Faculty of Business Administration
Memorial University of Newfoundland
St. John's, NF, Canada, A1B 3X5
709 737 7977
709 737 7999 (Fax)

> Why is it a breach of copyright? Can I not rent the film and show it to my
> class?
>
No, you cannot rent the film from Blockbuster Video or such and show it
in any other place than a private family home. There is a notice on the
front of videos telling you this. It's the screen that most people fast
forward past that begins "FBI warning". You may not rent, copy,
distribute, broadcast or show the film to any public gathering other
than in a private family home.

One of the other lists I subscribe to had a a posting from a member who
was fined by one of the major studios $10,000 for showing 10 minutes of
film to 20 students in a college level continuing education course.

I wish it were a different world where we could share small bits of film
for good purpose, but this is considered someone else's property.

Good luck,

Karen Boringer
Communication Resources
commres@rmi.net

Like Professor Newhouse, I use a technique passed to me by a now retired
professor. I use it in all classes I teach. He called it "reaction
papers".

Students are required to do 4 each semester , no more than one per
week. The paper must be grammatically correct and typed. They should
answer the questions:
what is going right, what is going wrong, what do you think, how do
you feel, what are you learning???
They typically have a tough time getting started since few professors
actually ask students what they think. The papers are 1 to 1 1/2 pages.

Students are "forced" to reflect on the class, methods, material, etc.
I receive immediate feedback and encourage students to discuss
improvements that could be made. The professor needs to have a bit of a
"thick skin" since all comments are not positive. I do read them
immediately and try to address some of the more critical issues. When I
do that, students begin to believe that their opinion matters and I am
listening.

Sometimes the papers are just gripe sessions, sometimes outrageous with
the student trying to impress, etc. Those I ignore. While I encourage
students to write about the class, I also tell them they can write about
anything that is significant to them at the time. I t is amazing......

I use this technique along with "process management" and mastery
learning. All in all, a new experience for most students.

Diane Parente
I

Professor David Newhouse, Native Studies, Trent wrote:

> hello, all:
>
> With respect to engagement, one of the approaches that I use is
> learning
> statements. I ask students to reflect upon what they have learned over
> the
> previous quarter (our school year is divided into 4 six week periods).
>
> each quarterly statement of learning is to be a reflection of what
> they
> have learned and more importantly how it is affecting them.
>
> students initially approach them with skepticism: some give me what
> the
> lectures, readings and discussions have given. most begin to go beyond
>
> that to talk about how they are discovering more things about the
> material
> and themselves. my cultural background is onondaga(one of the
> iroquoian
> 6 nations). our belief is that one does not learn something until one
> takes it inside of oneself. the approach that i use tries to bring
> this
> traditional belief into the classroom.
>
> i use this approach in teaching accounting, organizational behaviour,
> strategy, organizational diversity and management thought with much
> success. it seems to stimulate more thinking on students' part when
> they
> have
> to reflect on what they actually have learned and then write about it.
>
> somehow it brings it inside of them.
>
> i have a cross appointment between native studies and administrative
> studies here and teach students from a variety of cultures, primarily
> aboriginal and euro-canadian and find that this approach works well in
> all
> these groups.
>
> davidn

As 1998 AOM MED Program Chair for the San Diego meeting, I
can suggest to you that a paper related to this might be
a good idea to submit for review.
Collegially,
Charlie Wankel
Martin Donald Kaufman wrote:

> Talk about some wonderful controversy! :)
>
> For those interested, I have been abusing major motion pictures for
> teaching purposes for almost two years now. Ha HA
>
> Do I thumb my nose at the FBI warning? Certainly not. I live in DC so my
> phone and email are probably routinely monitored for evidence of illicit
> video clip dispensation. You can't be too careful nowadays.
>
> How do I do it? Well, I could hold class in my "private family
> home", but that's not very practical. Neither is purchasing videos
> only to be viewed only once or twice. However, there is a way to
> foil overzealous copyright watchdogs. Follow me to the loophole!
>
> OK, OK, all kidding aside. I have been well aware of the fuzziness of
> copyright interpretations as they apply to academia and educational
> purposes in a more general sense. We have the right to photocopy
> previously published material (with certain quantity and recognition
> restrictions) for free, but the world of film media in all its forms is
> quite different, so we have be careful with our assumptions. After
> consultation with an attorney, I was able to devise an alternative
> strategy to fully utilize what I consider a tremendous source for teaching
> material that energizes students...Major Motion Pictures. By assigning
> individual projects, student must ante up $3.50 or so for a rental to be
> viewed at their leisure in their own PRIVATE HOME. I have found films to
> be an especially fruitful resource where group processes, leadership,
> cultural nuances and other relevant topics can be seen "in action" if you
> will. Granted, watching subgroups form in 12 Angry Men doesn't exactly
> mirror what would be seen in the boardroom, but with a videotape, a
> student can observe and reobserve, noting details and subtle shifts that
> would pass unnoticed in a real-world setting.
>
> I apologize for the long-windedness and for any offense my initial remarks
> may have produced, but I do prize motion pictures as a learning aid and
> hope that we can surface some useful guidelines from experts who know far
> more than myself. Perhaps with more information we can reap the benefits
> of this medium while remaining within the legal guidelines for usage.
>
> Thanks for reading on,
>
> Marty Kaufman
> The George Washington University
> Doctoral Student
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Richard Pernell wrote:
>
> > After responding to the question AND THEN reading some of the other
> > responses, I hereby amend my in initial response with, "I have heard
> > of ......." and "In my classes we talk about the scene where....".
> > etc.
> >
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> > Subject: Re: Hollywood Motion Pictures
> > Author: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> at SMTPgate
> > Date: 10/1/97 7:41 AM
> >
> >
> > > Why is it a breach of copyright? Can I not rent the film and show it to my
> > > class?
> > >
> > No, you cannot rent the film from Blockbuster Video or such and show it
> > in any other place than a private family home. There is a notice on the
> > front of videos telling you this. It's the screen that most people fast
> > forward past that begins "FBI warning". You may not rent, copy,
> > distribute, broadcast or show the film to any public gathering other
> > than in a private family home.
> >
> > One of the other lists I subscribe to had a a posting from a member who
> > was fined by one of the major studios $10,000 for showing 10 minutes of
> > film to 20 students in a college level continuing education course.
> >
> > I wish it were a different world where we could share small bits of film
> > for good purpose, but this is considered someone else's property.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Karen Boringer
> > Communication Resources
> > commres@rmi.net
> >

> > Why is it a breach of copyright? Can I not rent the film and show it
to my
> > class?

When I directed management training for Westinghouse, our attorneys told us
that using films was a gray area in terms of copyright. Their stand was
that we were showing films to people who were our employees and who had
come--not to view a film--but to attend a course. However, we never rented
films, we always purchased them. The one exception to that was "12 Angry
Men" which we leased from United Artists, paying them $350 (as I recall)
every time we showed it.

Most studios have either a legal arm or an education group that you can
work with to get permission. I've been turned down only once and that was
by Warner Brothers when I wanted to use an episode of "Murphy Brown." If
you use television shows, you really need to be sure you have
permission--and you can expect to pay for the privilege.

Emily Schultheiss
Pittsburgh, PA

On 2 Oct 97 at 1:34, Paul Miesing wrote:


> must be a coincidence that these groups which benefit so much are
> also involved in setting policy in the u.s.? academic institutions
> seem to be indifferent or sold out. otherwise, their heavy-handed
> pursuit of us criminals makes no sense whatsoever. i've arranged for
> evening viewing in dorms which they can arrange. i just provide the
> tape.

I can understand the frustration regarding these laws from those that
seek to use them for good purposes, BUT do not produce original
material. Most of my work is "original" and it may be that some day I
will produce media based material. The problem is the cost of
production and development. The outcome, in general, of not
protecting intellectual property rights is that there will be less
and less material designed specifically for the education purpose.
Obviously this isn't an issue for entertainment material used
educationally, but still, producers are entitled to own and control
their work.

What does it tell those that we teach, if we, ourselves, lack the
ethics to respect the ownership of material. Since the issue of
ethics IS of concern to mgmt. education, this isn't just an abstract
point.

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> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:41:52 -0700
> From: Karen Boringer <commres@RMI.NET>
> Subject: Re: Hollywood Motion Pictures

> No, you cannot rent the film from Blockbuster Video or such and show it
> in any other place than a private family home. There is a notice on the
> front of videos telling you this. It's the screen that most people fast
> forward past that begins "FBI warning". You may not rent, copy,
> distribute, broadcast or show the film to any public gathering other
> than in a private family home.

must be a coincidence that these groups which benefit so much are
also involved in setting policy in the u.s.? academic institutions
seem to be indifferent or sold out. otherwise, their heavy-handed
pursuit of us criminals makes no sense whatsoever.



_____________________
Paul Miesing
http://www.albany.edu/~pm157

> No, you cannot rent the film from Blockbuster Video or such and show it
> in any other place than a private family home. There is a notice on the
> front of videos telling you this. It's the screen that most people fast
> forward past that begins "FBI warning". You may not rent, copy,
> distribute, broadcast or show the film to any public gathering other
> than in a private family home.

must be a coincidence that these groups which benefit so much are
also involved in setting policy in the u.s.? academic institutions
seem to be indifferent or sold out. otherwise, their heavy-handed
pursuit of us criminals makes no sense whatsoever. i've arranged for
evening viewing in dorms which they can arrange. i just provide the
tape.

_____________________
Paul Miesing
http://www.albany.edu/~pm157

If you mean, can I rent the film from a video store and show it to my
class, the answer is definitely no. Rental from a video store is for
private home viewing only. Any sort of 'public' performance, even to a
small class of students, requires the express permission of the
copyright holder, which will usually not be given except for a
substantial fee.

This is equally true of TV programmes you may record on your home video.

Many people have the misperception that showing a film/video in an
educational context or to a non-paying audience is OK. It isn't.

In message <199710011301.KAA14730@cerberus.ucs.mun.ca>, Glenn Rowe
<growe@MORGAN.UCS.MUN.CA> writes
>To david Williams
>
>Why is it a breach of copyright? Can I not rent the film and show it to my
>class?
>
>Glenn
>
>At 07:57 AM 10/1/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>I'm sure you will receive many replies to advise you never to use
>>Hollywood Motion Pictures in the classroom as this is a serious breach
>>of copyright and you risk a very heavy fine.
>>
>
>W. Glenn Rowe, Ph.D.
>Director, Centre for Management Development
>Faculty of Business Administration
>Memorial University of Newfoundland
>St. John's, NF, Canada, A1B 3X5
>709 737 7977
>709 737 7999 (Fax)

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Interesting that the topic of videotapes in the classroom should come
up, as this was the topic of a discussion on another listserv this
summer. Joe Champoux at U. of New Mexico did a nice job giving some
general guidelines. I understand he has done a lot of work in this area
and you may want to get ahold of him. In fact he may have or be coming
out with material soon (he mentioned the title "Film as a teaching
resource") so I don't want to violate his intellectual rights... so,
very briefly...

In general he suggested that showing legal copies (bought or rented) of
movies is ok during the regular course of instruction, provided the
showing happens in the regular classroom of a non-profit educational
institution. One can not charge a fee for the viewing and the viewing
can not be open to the public.

These guidelines are not legal advice; if in doubt consult an attorney.
Also, Joe mentioned Miller, 1988; Sinofsky, 1988; and Talab, 1986 as
sources for this information.

Hope this helps!


> > No, you cannot rent the film from Blockbuster Video or such and show it
> > in any other place than a private family home. There is a notice on the
> > front of videos telling you this. It's the screen that most people fast
> > forward past that begins "FBI warning". You may not rent, copy,
> > distribute, broadcast or show the film to any public gathering other
> > than in a private family home.

> Good luck,
> >
> > Karen Boringer
> > Communication Resources
> > commres@rmi.net
> >

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