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  • 1.  Marketing ideas ????

    Posted 11-06-1997 09:33
    Hi there,

    Here's a dilemma we could use some of your input on... We are a training and
    development firm that focuses on two main areas: helping companies prepare
    subject matter experts become effective occasional trainers, and providing
    training support services for software application rollouts.

    During my 25 year tenure at IBM, I developed an extensive background in
    training and the training phase of software application rollouts. I founded
    Knowledge Plus over five yeaars ago and have done work for many Fortune 1000
    companies including Deloitte & Touch, Dun & Bradstreet, Molson Breweries,
    Syncrude Canada, etc.

    The problem I am seeking help with is marketing for new clients. Today, we
    spend enormous amounts of time cold calling people in HR and Training. This
    is a labor intensive process which, although extremely time consuming, does
    prove fruitful in getting some appointments and bringing in some new business.

    Since most of you are in the HR and Training arena I thought you might be
    able to give me some feedback as to what might be a better approach to get
    our message out; who we are and what we do. We have written articles that
    appeared in HRMagazine, DATAMATION and Personnel Journel...which never
    brought in any new business. We also advertised in TRAINING Magazine which
    brought in inquiries but no new business.

    What is the best way we can contact "You" and have our services considered
    to meet your needs?

    Thanks for your help,
    Peter L. Katz
    President
    Knowledge Plus
    914 225 5888
    fax 914 225 8334

    "Educating SMEs to be effective occasional trainers !!"


  • 2.  Marketing ideas ????

    Posted 11-07-1997 19:05
    The only thing that has worked for our training and consulting company is to
    sell to the 10% that sells to the 90%. We have worked dilligently over the
    past 12 years to build strong alliances. Many many companies do not know how
    to work that way and they fizzle out. Others need drastic hand holding at
    first. The rest are naturals. After much work, we hardly have to sell at all.
    We get leads from all over the universe.

    Also, word of mouth is our strength card. Do a good job and everyone will
    tell each other.

    Good luck
    Barbara Golden


  • 3.  Marketing ideas ????

    Posted 11-08-1997 08:25
    At 07:04 PM 11/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
    >The only thing that has worked for our training and consulting company is to
    >sell to the 10% that sells to the 90%. We have worked dilligently over the
    >past 12 years to build strong alliances. Many many companies do not know how
    >to work that way and they fizzle out. Others need drastic hand holding at
    >first. The rest are naturals. After much work, we hardly have to sell at all.
    >We get leads from all over the universe.
    >
    >Also, word of mouth is our strength card. Do a good job and everyone will
    >tell each other.
    >
    >Good luck
    >Barbara Golden
    >
    Some comments on Barbara's response:
    1. "After much work, we hardly have to sell at all." I believe it was
    Drucker who said ages ago that the purpose of marketing is to make selling
    superfluous. Barbare echos this.
    2. "We have worked dilligently over the past 12 years to build strong
    alliances." Deming repeatedly advised that working harder is not enough.
    Perhaps Barbara could be more specific, e.g., the specific activities, how
    does she define an alliance, how are the criteria for good alliances
    determined and corroborated before and during the relationship, how are
    those alliances tied to the goals of her company, etc.
    3. "Many many companies do not know how to work that way and they fizzle
    out." I at least would be interested in knowing what criteria are used to
    determine whether companies work that way (and what that way is) and how
    the evaluation was done to identify which companies did and which didn't
    work that way. What measurable definition of "fizzle out" do you use? How
    did you get information on these companies to assess whether they "worked
    that way" and whether they fizzled out." One reason for asking this is that
    it creates a good database for benchmarking.
    4. "The only thing that has worked for our training and consulting company
    is to sell to the 10% that sells to the 90%." How did you identify the
    "10%" companies? How did you find the information necessary to determine
    how much they sell ("sell to the 90%")?

    I look forward to your responses.

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    aejes, LLC
    84 Old South Salem Road
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  • 4.  Marketing ideas ????

    Posted 11-12-1997 13:32
    Kicab Castaneda-Mendez,
    You asked for clarification on our marketing to the 10% who sell to the 90%
    philosophy and word of mouth marketing. Your questions are vast and my answer
    is long (though not as long as it could be). I hope this helps.

    DEFINITION OF TERMS
    Receiving system--the client or receiver of the service
    Alliance--Third party
    Service provider--For example, the education company

    2. "We have worked diligently over the past 12 years to build strong
    alliances." Deming repeatedly advised that working harder is not enough.
    Perhaps Barbara could be more specific, e.g.

    Deming is right, working harder is not enough. The term "working hard" often
    holds within it that one billion details that would take a book to explain,
    so we often shorten it to "working hard". On the other hand, "working hard"
    sometimes means running around the gerbil cage many times per day. I will do
    my best to shed some light on your questions. I invite you to explore what I
    say, as it is rather open ended. The true answer is to learn for yourself
    what works in your situation. I work by the universal principles of giving
    and receiving and learn as I go along. My company is very successful and very
    much on track with our goal to be low maintenance and establish strong low
    maintenance relationships. Much of that has no "how to" but it is what works
    when one holds the right questions.

    SOME OF THEE SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES ARE:
    a. Demonstrate full integrity at all times.
    b. Say what we will do and do what we say we will do, and do it better than
    anyone else.
    c. Clarify needs of receiving system, capabilities of the service provider,
    promised deliverables, and responsibilities of everyone, to the satisfaction
    of all parties (alliance, students, decision-maker, stakeholders, instructor,
    service provider, etc.)
    d. Communicate every step of the way. Appraise the receiving system of
    measurable progress toward results we have agreed upon. Acknowledge problems
    and request input on solutions before anyone else brings up the problems.
    e. Once great, be highly visible

    HOW DOES SHE DEFINE ALLIANCE?
    An alliance is a third party company that services clients common to both the
    alliance and a service provider. This could be a manufacturer, a sales
    company, or another service provider. The service or product sold by the
    alliance complements or enhances the service or product of the providing
    company For example, we teach graphics programs on the Macintosh. Our
    alliances are Apple Computer, Adobe, Quark, various color separators,
    manufacturers of printing presses and digital color equipment, printing
    firms, design houses, etc.

    HOW ARE THE CRITERIA FOR GOOD ALLIANCES DETERMINED AND CORROBORATED BEFORE
    AND DURING THE RELATIONSHIP?
    Before:
    * Will the services and products enhance each other's offerings?
    * Do we share the same work philosophies (e.g. for us; Do they trust us, or
    do they require a great volume of legal documents for this informal
    agreement? What is their track record of integrity, as we define integrity?
    * Are their clients a good mix in our portfolio?
    * How have they worked with alliances in the past?
    * What is their sales philosophy (e.g. solution oriented or highly
    competitive based on price? Be of service or sell and run?)
    During:
    * How is it going?
    * Is it really a fit for both sides?
    * How much maintenance and handholding is necessary to nurture this
    relationship?
    * Are the expenditures (time, effort, dollars) worth the return?

    HOW ARE THOSE ALLIANCES TIED TO THE GOALS OF HER COMPANY?
    The goals of my company are to provide learning that reinforces the work
    practices of the receiving system. We do not say we will provide the least
    expensive solution. We say we will provide the outcome agreed upon in
    collaboration with the client in regards to their needs and budget. We will
    say no to something beyond our scope or to something they want for a price
    that depletes our ability to be profitable. When meeting these goals unfolds
    in a productive and beneficial way to the client, the alliance's goals and
    ours are synchronized.

    3. WHAT CRITERIA ARE USED TO DETERMINE WHETHER COMPANIES WORK THAT WAY?
    We don't call them, by creating and being public about our values and the
    work we do, like-minded people cal us. When they call, we look at reputation
    in the market place. People in companies who have used them (not companies).
    Reputation in the market place. People in companies who have used them (not
    companies).

    HOW IS THE EVALUATION DONE TO IDENTIFY WHICH COMPANIES DO AND WHICH DON'T
    WORK THAT WAY?
    The main ingredient is our collective intelligence.
    We hold a deliberate group question (what companies would we work well with
    to enhance our mutual goals?) and maintain an open search in our minds at all
    times. We patiently (time is not an issue) view potential companies brought
    to our attention in light of this question. One person can bring an alliance
    to the table (usually a company calls us with a client for whom they wish our
    help in serving). In absence of negative feedback as we scan our information
    resources, we go with it. Once in the relationship, we observe it and
    maintain constant vigil by telling stories of success and lack thereof in
    each of our perspectives as they occur. Any one person can say this is not
    working. If we agree, we graciously terminate the relationship. When it is
    not working, usually the alliance agrees.

    WHAT MEASURABLE DEFINITION OF "FIZZLE" DO YOU USE?
    They quit calling us to collaborate or we have no compelling reason to call
    them. It's like dating.

    HOW DID YOU GET INFORMATION ON THESE COMPANIES TO ASSESS WHETHER THEY WORKED
    THAT WAY OR WHETHER THEY FIZZLED OUT
    Worked that way-- We are extremely pro-active in our operation. By publicly
    and visibly being who we are, the potential allinaces whom we attract are
    pretty much weeded out. We already have a good idea of how most companies in
    our industry work because we are watchful, and we talk to people who have
    used them.

    Fizzled out--They don't call us any more and we don't want to pursue them.

    ONE REASON FOR ASKING THIS IS THAT IT CREATES A GOOD DATABASE FOR
    BENCHMARKING
    I am not sure what you mean by this exactly. From the nature of your
    questioning, I imagine you are looking concrete and pragmatic answers.
    Wanting concrete criteria for forming and keeping and alliance is like
    wishing for a list that will assure a perfect marriage relationship. It is
    collective gut, instinct and intuition. The way it works is within a well
    formed team who is on the same wavelength with each other and with the
    company goals, mission, and philosophy. That takes a million details, arduous
    screening, and ability to let people go who are not a fit, for their sake and
    the sake of the company.

    4. HOW DID YOU IDENTIFY THE 10% OF THE COMPANIES?
    Companies who complement our services and that we perceive sell enough to
    make it worth our mutual whiles.

    HOW DID YOU FIND THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH THEY SELL
    (TO THE 90%)
    We know our industry extremely well.