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  • 1.  Defining Teams

    Posted 12-31-1997 11:46
    >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:14:35 -0500
    >From: Kicab Castaneda-Mendez <kicab@AEJES.COM>
    >Subject: Re: Teams

    I'd like to elaborate a little on Kicab's reaction to my posting.
    >
    >A posting forwarded from Don Austin:

    >>What bothers me, is the idea that good teams are created by measurable
    >>and listable items. I don't think so -- even though, as I said, I value the
    >>items on that list. The best teams, I think, are made up of reasonably
    >>>>confident and capable people who are ready to jump in and mix it up
    >>together >>(as "team players").
    >
    >You say that it bothers you that teams are made up of measurable items.

    No, I said that it the **idea** that good teams are created by measurable
    items that bothers me. The whole concept that if we can measure we can
    then create accordingly is, I think, somewhat falacious.

    >How do you know that the people on teams are "reasonably confident and
    >>capable"?

    I don't put so much stock in "knowing" this. Of course, as a manager I
    would use whatever information I had to do my best to provide sufficient
    confidence and capability. More of an art than a science, I would say.


    >As I understood our discussion, we were submitting definitions of teams.
    >So, I think you will have to define what you mean by team first, and then
    >show how the definition implies that the people must be reasonably
    >confident and capable; or, vice, versa, say that what you mean by a team is
    >a group of people that are reasonable confident and capable.

    I enjoy the discussion. I would say a practical definition of a team is a
    group of people who are reasonably effectively accomplishing something
    valuable.

    >
    >In either case, the question that follow is:
    >+Given the definition of team (yours, mine, or someone elses), what
    >advantages are there in having teams or not having teams?

    I would say, getting something valuable done, through cooperation.

    >This is the interesting question for me. In this form, I don't care whether
    >we use "team" or some other label. The point is, given this entity, when
    >can use advantageously.
    >
    >To study this question we must be able to assess/determine whether a team
    >exists, otherwise we cannot distinguish between a team and not a team. To
    >determine whether a team exists requires that the essential characteristics
    >of a team be measurable (directly or indirectly).

    I frankly don't agree with this assumption. The emphasis on measurability
    often precludes any emphasis on essential aspects which are inherently
    immeasurable!

    When I teach Organizational Behavior I often point out to the students that
    almost all of the constructs in the text books were generated to facilitate
    some researcher studying his/her logical model. They unfortunately rarely
    jive with a manager's day to day commonsense experience. This is a big
    failing, and I would assert, an unnecessary one! I for one find quality
    elaboration of essential common sense to be more applicable than scientific
    measurement of tightly controlled reductive models. I was a line manager
    for twenty years before entering academia, so this has something to do with
    my bias.

    Don Austin, Ph.D.
    _____________________________________
    Department of Organizational Behavior
    Case Western Reserve University
    Cleveland, OH 44106 (216) 932-8421
    _____________________________________
    Creating Appreciative Dialogue.

    Researching how small groups
    create valued organization.


  • 2.  Defining Teams

    Posted 01-05-1998 16:06
    At 11:46 AM 12/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
    >>To study this question we must be able to assess/determine whether a team
    >>exists, otherwise we cannot distinguish between a team and not a team. To
    >>determine whether a team exists requires that the essential characteristics
    >>of a team be measurable (directly or indirectly).
    >
    >I frankly don't agree with this assumption. The emphasis on measurability
    >often precludes any emphasis on essential aspects which are inherently
    >immeasurable!
    >
    >When I teach Organizational Behavior I often point out to the students that
    >almost all of the constructs in the text books were generated to facilitate
    >some researcher studying his/her logical model. They unfortunately rarely
    >jive with a manager's day to day commonsense experience. This is a big
    >failing, and I would assert, an unnecessary one! I for one find quality
    >elaboration of essential common sense to be more applicable than scientific
    >measurement of tightly controlled reductive models. I was a line manager
    >for twenty years before entering academia, so this has something to do with
    >my bias.

    Don

    Nice to see-hear you on this list. This subject of measurement really
    interests me. If we aren't measuring something, e.g. quality elaboration
    or Appreciative Dialogues, how do we know that they exist? It seems to me
    there is measurement and there is measurement. It was clear to me in your
    dissertation defense you were measuring the difference between Appreciative
    Dialogues and Non-Appreciative Dialogues. It was not clear how you were
    doing it but I could tell that you were because you identified some of
    each. Using that same type of measurement could you measure a team?

    Chet