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  • 1.  Teams and Measures

    Posted 01-08-1998 11:41
    Dear List,

    You lost me on the notion that teams can't be measured. I shared
    one method we use to measure team performance. No one on a team
    has complained that the results did not reflect the team
    performance. We even meausre ROI for soft skills
    training...(mentioned on another thread)..so what gives?

    Thanks,
    Rick Corcoran
    CI Mgr./ Kaizen- Employee Empowerment
    Mark I
    Excel Industries
    corcoranre@excelinc.com


  • 2.  Teams and Measures

    Posted 01-10-1998 16:39
    At 04:40 PM 1/8/98 +0000, you wrote:
    >Dear List,
    >
    >You lost me on the notion that teams can't be measured. I shared
    >one method we use to measure team performance. No one on a team
    >has complained that the results did not reflect the team
    >performance. We even meausre ROI for soft skills
    >training...(mentioned on another thread)..so what gives?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >Rick Corcoran
    >CI Mgr./ Kaizen- Employee Empowerment
    >Mark I
    >Excel Industries
    >corcoranre@excelinc.com
    >
    I side with Rick. The original statement merely said measure. One response
    to this changed the meaning of the statement by adding "precisely" to
    measure. Another response suggested changing measure to value.

    Perhaps we should start with defining measure. Measurement, from my point
    of view, is the basis for making distinctions. Measurement can be
    qualitative or quantitative (and some disciplines add a third category,
    semi-quantitative). Perhaps part of our difficulty in using the word
    measure is that we may have some mental model that requires an external
    physical measurement instrument. May I suggest that this is not so. We all,
    for example, are constantly measuring when we drive: distance from the car
    in fron to us, distance to the intersection, time it takes to stop when the
    light turns yellow, and so on.

    The question originally raised was that if we define a team as having
    certain characteristics, we should be able to measure these characteristics
    to see whether the team has them or not (this could be a simple qualitative
    measure: yes or no). If we canot determine whether any team has a selected
    characteristic, then any discussion on whether that characteristic is
    necessary or even desirable rests on not only pure opinion but it is
    unresolvable.

    Rick addresses another facet of teams that is necessary for the original
    discussion on teams: the output, performance, effect (whatever term you
    wish to use) of the team. Thus, my statement was that we identify team
    characteristics, measure the degree to which groups have these
    characteristics, measure the performance of the teams a la Rick, and see
    which characteristics are correlated with performance. Those with positive
    correlations indicate we would like teams to have those characteristics,
    those with negative correlations indicate we would like teams not to have
    them (or have their opposite, perhaps).

    Comments?

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