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Mg-Ed-Dvers,
The mix of university/college and corporate professionals
is done consciously to reflect the domain of the Management
Education and Development Division of the Academy of
Management with whom it is affiliated. I foster this mix and
don't plan to divide or drop either group.
The list is very active. I encourage participation and
fear a moribund list more than a lively one. We are nearly
900 strong now and very very international.
I invite all of you to contact me when you come to
New York City so we can chat in person about the list etc.
Cybercollegially,
Charlie Wankel
netmaster Mg-Ed-Dv

Hi, Charlie

Could you please tell me how to ask the list to send me a digested
version.
Also, count me as one who is not disturbed by the number of messages and
would prefer not to split the list into two areas.

Thanks

Russ

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1-785-865-4306; fax 1-785-865-4311
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As indicated by others who have already spoken, I am in the process of
deciding whether continued participation in the list is worth the time
necessary to keep up. I joined in the expectation that it would yield a
dialogue on management education. So far, most of the messages have been
in the management development area. I strongly urge that this MG-ED-DV
list be divided into two lists, one for MG-ED and the other for MG-DV.

I plan to give it a short time to see what happens in this regard. If the
list continues as presently operating, I see it as primarily serving the DV
side of the house, which does not meet my particular needs. I will be
dropping it. Are there others with similar intentions?

At 05:15 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Mg-Ed-Dvers,
> The mix of university/college and corporate professionals
>is done consciously to reflect the domain of the Management
>Education and Development Division of the Academy of
>Management with whom it is affiliated. I foster this mix and
>don't plan to divide or drop either group.
> The list is very active. I encourage participation and
>fear a moribund list more than a lively one. We are nearly
>900 strong now and very very international.
> I invite all of you to contact me when you come to
>New York City so we can chat in person about the list etc.
> Cybercollegially,
> Charlie Wankel
> netmaster Mg-Ed-Dv
>
>
J. Michael (Mike) Whitfield, Ph.D. 912-445-4324 - office
Acting Chair, Dept. of Management 912-445-0602 - fax
Georgia College & State University mwhitfie@mail.gac.peachnet.edu
Milledgeville, GA 31061

Dear list members,

I belong to those members of the group interested in developing a dialogue
on management education and agree that so far, most of the messages have been
in the management development area.

I therefore aslo strongly urge that this MG-ED-DV list be divided into two
lists, one for MG-ED and the other for MG-DV.

Hope this helps,

Dr. Liora katzenstein,
President,
ISEMI
Israel School of Entrepreneurial management and Innovation.

--------------------------------------------
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Tel: (972)(3)648-2717 Fax: (972)(3)648-2602

In a message dated 98-03-12 09:25:46 EST, mwhitfie@MAIL.GAC.PEACHNET.EDU
writes:

> I joined in the expectation that it would yield a
> dialogue on management education. So far, most of the messages have been
> in the management development area. I strongly urge that this MG-ED-DV
> list be divided into two lists, one for MG-ED and the other for MG-DV.

I don't understand this comment. Can you fill me in?

Andrea

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Andrea:

I'm don't mean to be un-collegial (if there's such a word), but messages
like yours are a prime example of what those of us questioning the value
vs. volume tradeoff in this mail barrage are talking about.

WDM

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In a message dated 98-03-12 18:06:10 EST, robnphil@OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes:

> I know there is a world of difference between management education and
> management development, but why in this day and age is there a difference?
If
> we are talking about a continuum of learning from the day a student decides
> management education is the way to go, to the point where the student is now
> a manager and wants to continue learning, surely this should be seamless,
> painless, and not so obviously possessing a start and finish point for both?
>
> PHIL RUTHERFORD

Phil: Thank you for saying this. Management development, in fact, often
returns to management education. It ebbs and flows as an individual and an
organization develops. We need not create a starting point and ending point.
In fact, I wonder if perhaps we have the professional responsibility to merge
our own disciplines so that they better support our client, the manager and
leader? Is this not an opportunity for us?

Andrea

Andrea Sigetich Affiliates
Organization Coaching for magnificent management and team development
Personal Coaching for amazing individual results
OrgCoach@aol.com

If this is an example from "the obviously uninitiated" then I want to be
associated with the uninitiated! YES, I totally agree with Phillip
Rurherford that management education and management education SHOULD BE
SEAMLESS. Thus, I can gain insight and information from ANYTHING related
to functioning as a manager.

Edryce Reynolds

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:52:03 1000 Phillip Rutherford
<robnphil@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> writes:
>Just a quick question from the obviously uninitiated:
>
>I know there is a world of difference between management education and
>management development, but why in this day and age is there a
>difference? If we are talking about a continuum of learning from the
>day a student decides management education is the way to go, to the
>point where the student is now a manager and wants to continue
>learning, surely this should be seamless, painless, and not so
>obviously possessing a start and finish point for both?
>
>Just a thought.
>
>PHIL RUTHERFORD
>P D Rutherford & Associates Pty Ltd
>Competency-based systems specialists
>0011 61 2 6230 4823
>robnphil@ozemail.com.au
>

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Just a quick question from the obviously uninitiated:

I know there is a world of difference between management education and management development, but why in this day and age is there a difference? If we are talking about a continuum of learning from the day a student decides management education is the way to go, to the point where the student is now a manager and wants to continue learning, surely this should be seamless, painless, and not so obviously possessing a start and finish point for both?

Just a thought.

PHIL RUTHERFORD
P D Rutherford & Associates Pty Ltd
Competency-based systems specialists
0011 61 2 6230 4823
robnphil@ozemail.com.au

Another vote for not splitting the list. Some of us live in both worlds and
learn eagerly from the input of all

>

Ditto below

Maggie McGrail wrote:

> Another vote for not splitting the list. Some of us live in both worlds and
> learn eagerly from the input of all
>
> >

The list will not be split. Let's "split" from this thread and
get back to "management education" and "management
development".
Cybercollegially,
Charlie Wankel
netmaster mg-ed-dv

David Morgan wrote:

> Ditto below
>
> Maggie McGrail wrote:
>
> > Another vote for not splitting the list. Some of us live in both worlds and
> > learn eagerly from the input of all
> >
> > >

unsubcribe MG-ED-DV

Perhaps I am missing something but if the list were split those who
"want it all" could subscribe to both lists while those who wanted only
the ED or only the DV could choose to subscribe to just one of the two.
Having the choice to subscribe to either or both seems like a better way
to accommodate the diverse needs of all those who now must subscribe to
the combined list.

Craig Donovan

For those of us who would be change agents (only time and results will
tell if we were successful), I remember being taught somewhere in a
years' long investigation into open systems planning that, "nothing of
value can be attained by working on it directly." The valued thing
is an effect and one must address old or create new causes in order
to change the valued thing. Given that, if both education and development
are valued things, then perhaps there is value in being exposed to
something broader than just the desired end.

$0.02

At 11:18 am 3/16/98 -0500, cpdonova wrote:
>Perhaps I am missing something but if the list were split those who
>"want it all" could subscribe to both lists while those who wanted only
>the ED or only the DV could choose to subscribe to just one of the two.
>Having the choice to subscribe to either or both seems like a better way
>to accommodate the diverse needs of all those who now must subscribe to
>the combined list.
>
>Craig Donovan
>
>

yes

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Michael Whitfield wrote:

> As indicated by others who have already spoken, I am in the process of
> deciding whether continued participation in the list is worth the time
> necessary to keep up. I joined in the expectation that it would yield a
> dialogue on management education. So far, most of the messages have been
> in the management development area. I strongly urge that this MG-ED-DV
> list be divided into two lists, one for MG-ED and the other for MG-DV.
>
> I plan to give it a short time to see what happens in this regard. If the
> list continues as presently operating, I see it as primarily serving the DV
> side of the house, which does not meet my particular needs. I will be
> dropping it. Are there others with similar intentions?
>
> At 05:15 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Mg-Ed-Dvers,
> > The mix of university/college and corporate professionals
> >is done consciously to reflect the domain of the Management
> >Education and Development Division of the Academy of
> >Management with whom it is affiliated. I foster this mix and
> >don't plan to divide or drop either group.
> > The list is very active. I encourage participation and
> >fear a moribund list more than a lively one. We are nearly
> >900 strong now and very very international.
> > I invite all of you to contact me when you come to
> >New York City so we can chat in person about the list etc.
> > Cybercollegially,
> > Charlie Wankel
> > netmaster Mg-Ed-Dv
> >
> >
> J. Michael (Mike) Whitfield, Ph.D. 912-445-4324 - office
> Acting Chair, Dept. of Management 912-445-0602 - fax
> Georgia College & State University mwhitfie@mail.gac.peachnet.edu
> Milledgeville, GA 31061
>

I can sympathise with the comments made regarding keeping up with what's
being discussed but, being a member of a number of other lists as well,
I find all I have to o is to take a quick look at the subject matter and
make a firm decision about my "need to know/understand" or my "need to
be involved".

I kill off a fair number of postings, not because they have no value but
purely because I have to ration my time. I find that this method works
quite well. Before I did this I found myself religiously reading every
posting and not really gaining much from the experience. Now I find
that I can give to those subjects that excite and enthuse me.

My only remaining problem is controlling the number of lists that I am
subscribed to :-)

Regards
Nigel

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yes

On Thu, 12 Mar 1998, Michael Whitfield wrote:

> As indicated by others who have already spoken, I am in the
process of
> deciding whether continued participation in the list is worth
the time
> necessary to keep up. I joined in the expectation that it
would yield a
> dialogue on management education. So far, most of the
messages have been
> in the management development area. I strongly urge that this
MG-ED-DV
> list be divided into two lists, one for MG-ED and the other
for MG-DV.
>
> I plan to give it a short time to see what happens in this
regard. If the
> list continues as presently operating, I see it as primarily
serving the DV
> side of the house, which does not meet my particular needs. I
will be
> dropping it. Are there others with similar intentions?
>
> At 05:15 PM 3/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Mg-Ed-Dvers,
> > The mix of university/college and corporate
professionals
> >is done consciously to reflect the domain of the Management
> >Education and Development Division of the Academy of
> >Management with whom it is affiliated. I foster this mix and
> >don't plan to divide or drop either group.
> > The list is very active. I encourage
participation and
> >fear a moribund list more than a lively one. We are nearly
> >900 strong now and very very international.
> > I invite all of you to contact me when you come
to
> >New York City so we can chat in person about the list etc.
> > Cybercollegially,
> > Charlie Wankel
> > netmaster Mg-Ed-Dv
> >
> >
> J. Michael (Mike) Whitfield, Ph.D. 912-445-4324 -
office
> Acting Chair, Dept. of Management 912-445-0602 -
fax
> Georgia College & State University
mwhitfie@mail.gac.peachnet.edu
> Milledgeville, GA 31061
>