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  • 1.  Use of List ==> Real Life

    Posted 03-12-1998 15:47
    Dear list members,

    Here's a few thoughts on why I think that list membership might be one of
    the best "teachers" at our disposal:

    1) It gives us practice in handing the information immersion that we all
    are learning to deal with in nearly every aspect of life -- business,
    learning institutions, communities, families.

    2) Now that we have much of the openness and unfiltered information flow
    we've been asking for, it gives us practice is finding what we personally
    need to know right now at this point in time (realizing that this changes on
    a daily basis).

    3) It teaches us that while the world looks as though it is changing too
    fast for us to keep up, it also remains very much the same -- just as it has
    throughout the centuries. This allows us to use much more of what we
    already know than we might think -- rather than the proverbial "throwing the
    baby out with the bath water."

    4) It shows us that all messages are not new information per-se -- rather
    many are an important reframing, bringing new insights and providing context
    enabling you to learn for the first time what others might already know.

    5) It helps you learn that you cannot hear and know everything -- that you
    don't need to hear and know everything. We are too small compared to the
    greatness of life to try and know everything. In turn, this helps us
    realize that we are participants in the dance of life, not controllers. Can
    learn to live in the "learner's story" instead of the "victim's" or the
    "conqueror's" stories?

    6) It helps us practice the art of dialogue wherein we hold the thoughts of
    others suspended (without judgement) in our consciousness alongside our own
    thoughts -- giving space for both. Time and the powerful workings of the
    subconscious brings us to unforeseen understandings not otherwise possible.

    7) Simply scanning the messages without the self-imposed need to "do"
    something with them has the potential of increasing awareness and opening
    pathways that is beyond simple explanation.

    8) Remember the CB radio craze? Suddenly everyone could talk to each
    other. A sense of community developed. But the roots and understanding
    (and who knows what else) did not mature, leading to everyone being turned
    off. I know this is a simplistic version of those days, but is the same
    thing happening in cyberspace? If one hope for the future is virtual
    organization and virtual community, then here (this list and others like it)
    is one important place where we must learn and understand. People such as
    Charles Handy doubt the ability to achieve virtual community without
    face-to-face encounters. If they're right, then what does this mean to the
    future of education and organization?


    There are many more reasons why I believe this is a golden opportunity to
    learn our way into the future.

    To use some appreciative inquiry, how do you all see this list as
    beneficial? I guess I'm asking how many blessings can you count?

    Thanks for hearing my thoughts,

    John Dicus

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  • 2.  Use of List ==> Real Life

    Posted 03-12-1998 23:22
    Wonderful thoughts! Yes, yes, yes. Wish I'd said this.

    I have experienced what I understand John is describing here. I have
    always had more to read than I could ever read in one lifetime, and now
    that I am a member of about 20 listservs, it becomes clearer how my
    skills have to be improved. This serves me well! Since I cannot
    possibly read it all, I must learn how to decide quickly which messages
    are for me (at the moment) and which ones aren't.

    Will I miss gems? Yes, just as I have passed up wonderful books as I
    walked down the aisles of library stacks. Not only do I not have time to
    read it all; I really don't want to.

    Thank you, John. I particularly liked the part about dialogue. I am
    finding that dialogue on a listserv can hone my dialogue skills more
    quickly than in-person interchanges.

    Edryce Reynolds

    On Thu, 12 Mar 15:46:41 -0500 John Dicus <jdicus@OURFUTURE.COM> writes:
    >Dear list members,
    >
    >Here's a few thoughts on why I think that list membership might be one
    >of
    >the best "teachers" at our disposal:
    >
    >1) It gives us practice in handing the information immersion that we
    >all
    >are learning to deal with in nearly every aspect of life -- business,
    >learning institutions, communities, families.
    >
    >2) Now that we have much of the openness and unfiltered information
    >flow
    >we've been asking for, it gives us practice is finding what we
    >personally
    >need to know right now at this point in time (realizing that this
    >changes on
    >a daily basis).
    >
    >3) It teaches us that while the world looks as though it is changing
    >too
    >fast for us to keep up, it also remains very much the same -- just as
    >it has
    >throughout the centuries. This allows us to use much more of what we
    >already know than we might think -- rather than the proverbial
    >"throwing the
    >baby out with the bath water."
    >
    >4) It shows us that all messages are not new information per-se --
    >rather
    >many are an important reframing, bringing new insights and providing
    >context
    >enabling you to learn for the first time what others might already
    >know.
    >
    >5) It helps you learn that you cannot hear and know everything --
    >that you
    >don't need to hear and know everything. We are too small compared to
    >the
    >greatness of life to try and know everything. In turn, this helps us
    >realize that we are participants in the dance of life, not
    >controllers. Can
    >learn to live in the "learner's story" instead of the "victim's" or
    >the
    >"conqueror's" stories?
    >
    >6) It helps us practice the art of dialogue wherein we hold the
    >thoughts of
    >others suspended (without judgement) in our consciousness alongside
    >our own
    >thoughts -- giving space for both. Time and the powerful workings of
    >the
    >subconscious brings us to unforeseen understandings not otherwise
    >possible.
    >
    >7) Simply scanning the messages without the self-imposed need to "do"
    >something with them has the potential of increasing awareness and
    >opening
    >pathways that is beyond simple explanation.
    >
    >8) Remember the CB radio craze? Suddenly everyone could talk to each
    >other. A sense of community developed. But the roots and
    >understanding
    >(and who knows what else) did not mature, leading to everyone being
    >turned
    >off. I know this is a simplistic version of those days, but is the
    >same
    >thing happening in cyberspace? If one hope for the future is virtual
    >organization and virtual community, then here (this list and others
    >like it)
    >is one important place where we must learn and understand. People
    >such as
    >Charles Handy doubt the ability to achieve virtual community without
    >face-to-face encounters. If they're right, then what does this mean
    >to the
    >future of education and organization?
    >
    >
    >There are many more reasons why I believe this is a golden opportunity
    >to
    >learn our way into the future.
    >
    >To use some appreciative inquiry, how do you all see this list as
    >beneficial? I guess I'm asking how many blessings can you count?
    >
    >Thanks for hearing my thoughts,
    >
    >John Dicus
    >
    >--
    >
    >John Dicus | Cornerstone Consulting Associates
    >Providing Experiences In... Teamwork - Systems - Stewardship
    >jdicus@ourfuture.com | http://www.ourfuture.com
    >800-773-8017 (in US) | 330-725-2728 (voice/fax)
    >2761 Stiegler Rd, Valley City OH 44280
    > **Join an Online Dialogue -- stewardship@world.std.com**
    >

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  • 3.  Use of List ==> Real Life

    Posted 03-13-1998 07:21
    Well said, John!
    >
    >Here's a few thoughts on why I think that list membership might be one of
    >the best "teachers" at our disposal:
    >
    >1) It gives us practice in handing the information immersion that we all
    >are learning to deal with in nearly every aspect of life -- business,
    >learning institutions, communities, families....

    etc., etc.

    >John Dicus | Cornerstone Consulting Associates

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