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  • 1.  MG-ED-DV Digest - 16 Mar 1998 to 17 Mar 1998 (#1998-10)

    Posted 03-18-1998 11:24
    Karen,

    I teach a course on systems thinking and analysis for Benedictine
    University's MOB program about every two years. The course is taught over
    two weekends with four weeks in-between for one of the two assignments.

    The course ranges from system dynamics (Senge-Forrester) to complex systems
    (Michaels, Goldstein, Stacey). The course books include Fifth Discipline
    Fieldbook, The Unshackled Organization (Goldstein), and Managing the
    Unknowable (Stacey). (The complex systems stuff is changing rapidly, so I'll
    probably switch to Stacey's new book and include Kauffman's "At Home in the
    Universe.") I also use VenSim, which is a software program for system
    dynamics modeling, and have the students do a modeling assignment between
    the two class weekends. (It's available for free for educational purposes
    and and is a PC version of Stella). I'd love to fine less cumbersome
    software at such a cheap price.

    Please feel free to contact me if you want more information.

    Mark Michaels
    People Technologies
    michaels@ipat.com

    "To move a mountain, start with one pebble at a time."
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Karen Takle Quinn <ktq@SVPAL.ORG>
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    Date: Wednesday, March 18, 1998 10:54 AM
    Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] MG-ED-DV Digest - 16 Mar 1998 to 17 Mar 1998
    (#1998-10)


    >How many members of this listserv teach systems management?
    >What textbooks are you using?
    >Do you focus on Peter Checkland's approach or Senge-Forrester's Systems
    >Dynamics or Warfield's approach or others?
    >Really would be interested in understanding how management educators
    >are incorporating systems thinking or systems methodology into their
    >curriculums and courses...
    >Karen
    >Karen Takle Quinn


  • 2.  MG-ED-DV Digest - 16 Mar 1998 to 17 Mar 1998 (#1998-10)

    Posted 03-18-1998 11:49
    How many members of this listserv teach systems management?
    What textbooks are you using?
    Do you focus on Peter Checkland's approach or Senge-Forrester's Systems
    Dynamics or Warfield's approach or others?
    Really would be interested in understanding how management educators
    are incorporating systems thinking or systems methodology into their
    curriculums and courses...
    Karen
    Karen Takle Quinn


  • 3.  MG-ED-DV Digest - 16 Mar 1998 to 17 Mar 1998 (#1998-10)

    Posted 03-18-1998 13:52
    At 08:48 AM 3/18/98 -0800, Karen Takle Quinn wrote:
    >How many members of this listserv teach systems management?

    Dear Karen and list members,

    We offer two 3-day on-site workshops called Experiences in Teamwork and
    Experiences in Stewardship. The first focusses on the human
    dynamic/relationships of what you might call the "human/business system." I
    use that term in lieu of a better one to acknowledge the physical
    plant/processes that the human system interacts with. The second workshop
    focusses on the systems thinking / system dynamics aspects of the
    human/business system.

    We combine as broad a spectrum as possible of thought, theory, and practice
    to provide a rounded and balanced approach. Our belief is that if we can
    provide grounded experiences showing new ways of organizing and working
    together, we can instill both hope and awareness in people. Hope and
    awareness are two very powerful intrinsic "drives." Awareness shifts people
    from blame to being seekers of new ways of working together. Without
    systems awareness, people may be trying as hard as possible but are working
    in ways that are non-systemic, causing many unintended consequences. We
    help people practice the skill of living in "the learner's story," rather
    than being victims or conquerors. It makes the "seeming chaos" begin to
    look like a new kind of music.

    We include a number of simulations that include whole-being / action
    learning. We're piloting a new addition to the Electric Maze that teaches
    dynamic complexity through the addition of a delayed system response. We
    also use a neat variation on the MIT "Beer Game." Our adaptation has gone
    "non-alcoholic" and is called the Tea Game. The application is very eye
    opening because it shows how so many of our past and present efforts can
    work against our intentions. It shows why some reengineering,
    restructuring, and JIT efforts are counterproductive. It also shows how to
    move away from static balance in an organization to "dynamic balance."
    (Like the difference between the old bubble balance on a car tire to the new
    spin balance so your car doesn't shake at high speeds.)

    Sorry for going on so long. This is exciting stuff.

    As an aside to all on this list, I'm interested in exploring the combination
    of action learning with distance learning. It's based on a concern that too
    much of our development is at an intellectual level and isn't incorporating
    our reservoirs of inherent tactic level knowledge that often go untapped.
    If groups who are trying to learn together yet are separated by great
    amounts of space (and sometimes time) could have a common touchstone of
    experiences, they could learn together in ways not otherwise possible. If
    any of you have thoughts or experiences, or would like to collaborate in
    some sort of "experiment," please let me know.

    Warm regards,

    John

    --

    John Dicus | Cornerstone Consulting Associates
    Providing Experiences In... Teamwork - Systems - Stewardship
    jdicus@ourfuture.com | http://www.ourfuture.com
    800-773-8017 (in US) | 330-725-2728 (voice/fax)
    2761 Stiegler Rd, Valley City OH 44280
    **Join an Online Dialogue -- stewardship@world.std.com**


  • 4.  MG-ED-DV Digest - 16 Mar 1998 to 17 Mar 1998 (#1998-10)

    Posted 03-18-1998 19:43
    Karen Takle Quinn wrote:

    > How many members of this listserv teach systems management?

    I do. We teach management of large complex defense systems.

    > What textbooks are you using?

    We develop our own materials. We don't use a textbook. We cover11
    different functional disciplines, and have a series of integrated
    exercises. The course is 14 week, 8 hours a day.

    > Do you focus on Peter Checkland's approach or Senge-Forrester's Systems
    > Dynamics or Warfield's approach or others?

    Senge is a favorite of ours. We do focus on overall systems management,
    froman acquisition perspective. We begin with concept development, then go
    on to
    contract management, requirements management, manufacturing management,
    finance, logistics, software management, etc.

    > Really would be interested in understanding how management educators
    > are incorporating systems thinking or systems methodology into their
    > curriculums and courses...
    > Karen
    > Karen Takle Quinn

    -
    Jim Dobbins (jdobbins@nishanet.com)
    Associate Dean
    Defense Systems Management College