Gary's view of the three phases, Priming, Performing and Implementing, does
not match my view.
Priming does not contain any implementation. Priming does include preparing
for a viable environment and culture and preparing for involvement, more
research into the problematique, etc., as Erwin's 8 would trigger.
Performing includes all activities required for taking the decision
(including what if projections or simulations if needed. Also risk
assessments regarding efficacy of the indicated path and of implications on
other problematiques and decision situations. Also implementation planning
and scheduling and risk assessment.
Implementing is action. The sorting potatoes is already done, all that is
left is chopping the wood. Sure there will be lots of included decisions
(when to breath, is the nut tightened sufficiently, does it work?) but these
are not alternatives to the decision taken, only subordinate.
Circular? In the sense that everything potentially affects everything else,
Yes. There is no simple, linear world except in books.
Deborah's concern about politics is addressed in Priming, specifically,
being clear about the problematique. Deborah's plea for simple can be met
only by Deborah's heightened level of consciousness and that applies to each
of us. Complex is not 'out there' in the world but 'in here' in how the
world is seen. To most a Rubik's cube is a complex puzzle. However, my
friend, Miles Burke, can take any configuration and straighten in out while
conducting an intense conversation. Complexity is not in the cube.
So what are the questions? Fred wanted examples. I think Erwin showed (in
a response to me) how group 1 could trigger questions.
The real issue remains, unless you decide Erwin is flat wrong or irrelevant,
how to promulgate this chunk of valuable leering opportunity to those who
should be applying it.
cheers,
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. Article of the day: Women and management education (2)
> 2. Erwin's Eight ---Caution, long post (2)
> 3. Fwd: Re: Article of the day: Women and management education
> 4. CALL - 20th Annual Conference on Distance Teaching & Learning
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> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 06:09:05 -0500
> From: Charles Wankel <
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> Subject: Article of the day: Women and management education
>
> "Research suggests that progress is slow, but that management education =
> is
> the best route for women who really want to succeed in business."
> See the article by Nunzio Quacquarelli, "Education the key to bridging
> gender gap," that just came out in Expat Magazine at:
>
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?view=3DDETAILS&grid=3D&targe=
> tRule=3D5
> &xml=3D%2Fglobal%2F2003%2F12%2F01%2Fedmba01.xml
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> Cybercollegially,
> Charles Wankel
> RMED series co-editor:
http://management-education.net/
>
>
> =A0
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:00:11 -0000
> From: Sue Vickers-Thompson <
sue.vickersthompson@btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: Article of the day: Women and management education
>
> Sorry Charles, couldn't get to this link at all even when I did it
> manually - could you resend please?
> Thanks - Sue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Wankel" <
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> To: <
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:09 AM
> Subject: Article of the day: Women and management education
>
>
> "Research suggests that progress is slow, but that management education is
> the best route for women who really want to succeed in business."
> See the article by Nunzio Quacquarelli, "Education the key to bridging
> gender gap," that just came out in Expat Magazine at:
>
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&targetRule=5
> &xml=%2Fglobal%2F2003%2F12%2F01%2Fedmba01.xml
>
> [If the above hyperlink is broken you should paste the end of it back on
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> your browser's url window to have it load properly.]
>
> Cybercollegially,
> Charles Wankel
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:59:56 -0500
> From: Fred Nickols <
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> Subject: Re: Erwin's Eight ---Caution, long post
>
> Jack Ring wrote a long message reflecting his understanding of Erwin's
> eight areas of consideration and I found it very helpful. I'll wait to
see
> if Erwin confirms Jack's interpretation before getting too
> congratulatory. I did want to respond to one thing Jack said at the end
of
> his message:
>
> >I wish to emphasize that the many excellent ideas put forth by Gary,
Fred,
> >Deborah, etc, are not being criticized, here. It I just that they seem
to
> >start alternative threads and I am simply trying to address Erwin's
questions.
>
> My main concern was getting Erwin to give us some examples of the kinds of
> questions he saw as fitting each of the eight categories, not starting an
> alternative thread. I have yet to see any except the one I proposed
(which
> fits the first category).
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred Nickols, CPT
> "Assistance at A Distance"
> Distance Consulting
>
nickols@att.net
>
www.nickols.us
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:02:31 -0500
> From: Fred Nickols <
nickols@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Article of the day: Women and management education
>
> I got to it but I had to cut and paste the link and it took a long, long
> time to load -- and I've got a high-speed connection.
>
>
> >From: Sue Vickers-Thompson <
sue.vickersthompson@btinternet.com>
> >Subject: Re: Article of the day: Women and management education
> >To:
MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> >
> >Sorry Charles, couldn't get to this link at all even when I did it
> >manually - could you resend please?
> >Thanks - Sue
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Charles Wankel" <
wankelc@optonline.net>
> >To: <
MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:09 AM
> >Subject: Article of the day: Women and management education
> >
> >
> >"Research suggests that progress is slow, but that management education
is
> >the best route for women who really want to succeed in business."
> >See the article by Nunzio Quacquarelli, "Education the key to bridging
> >gender gap," that just came out in Expat Magazine at:
> >
>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&targetRule=
5
> >&xml=%2Fglobal%2F2003%2F12%2F01%2Fedmba01.xml
> >
> >[If the above hyperlink is broken you should paste the end of it back on
in
> >your browser's url window to have it load properly.]
> >
> >Cybercollegially,
> >Charles Wankel
> >RMED series co-editor:
http://management-education.net/
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred Nickols, CPT
> "Assistance at A Distance"
> Distance Consulting
>
nickols@att.net
>
www.nickols.us
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:52:36 -0500
> From: Charles Wankel <
wankelc@optonline.net>
> Subject: CALL - 20th Annual Conference on Distance Teaching & Learning
>
> From: Janice Czyscon
czyscon@epd.engr.wisc.edu
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:18:05 -0700
> From: Gary Lundquist <
garyl@market-engineering.com>
> Subject: Re: Erwin's Eight ---Caution, long post
>
> Colleagues,
>
> Jack Ring has made some great contributions. In particular, I like
> His statement of Erwin's goals
> The concept of phases in decision making
> The concept of vetting decisions
>
> I fully agree that Erwin's 8 consideration groups focus on priming and
that
> priming is key to the success of decision making.
> I only offered my Tough Questions at Deborah Nixon's request for a
> simple guideline.
>
> RE: Phases
> We do need to be careful here. Each of Jack's phases (Priming,
> Performing, Implementing) requires making and implementing decisions.
> Priming: Making and implementing decisions to create a viable
> environment and culture for decision making. (circular)
> Performing: Choosing decision processes and personnel, then making
> decisions. (circular)
> Implementing: Choosing methods and personnel to follow-through on
> decisions by making and implementing further decisions compatible with the
> primary decision. (circular)
>
> Every decision depends on prior decisions.
> Every decision forces the making of future decisions.
> The full complexity of any significant decision space cannot be fully
> understood.
>
> That leaves the question of the phases of just one decision. Circularity
> still haunts this list, yet it seems to come closer.
> Questions: Reasons for seeking decisions
>
> Answers: Options resulting from due diligence
>
> Choice: Selection of the preferred option
>
> Vetting: Confirmation of the choice
>
> Application: Use of the choice to initiate the next decision process
>
>
>
> The "vetting" step gets back to Deborah's concern about politics.
>
> Who has the power to initiate a decision process?
>
> Who has the power to make the final choice?
>
> Who can block implementation of a choice?
>
> How do we prevent stonewalling of implementation?
>
> Presenting a tentative decision for approval is a marketing problem that
> typically requires answers to the Tough Questions.
>
>
>
> Jack asked about generation of options. An earlier version of this
> "intrinsics" description has already been posted. All of these criteria
> apply to all three of Jack's phases.
>
>
>
> Intrinsics of Decision Making
>
> Process - Methods and resources for decision making
>
> Strategies, tactics, communications. Climate, behavioral norms, team
> building. Decision tools - thought processes designed for specific
> decisions or types of decisions. Management, coordination, facilitation,
> planning, delegation, monitoring. Databases, knowledge bases, knowledge
> mining tools, artificial intelligence. Due diligence processes:
Research,
> economic, accounting, legal, regulatory, environmental, technical,
> sociological, political, policy.
>
> Competence - Intellectual capacity for decision making
>
> Expertise, experience, knowledge, access to information. Intuition,
> instinct, "feel". Skills in: Questioning, answering, thinking, learning,
> creativity. Skills in: Cooperating, collaborating, communicating,
> relating, teaming. Skills in: Brainstorming, synthesizing, options
> development, prioritizing, wordsmithing, documenting, presenting.
>
> Motivation - Incentives to participate in decision making
>
> Positive visibility, potential for impact, input to decisions, some
> control over decisions, team membership, sense of efficacy, management
> praise, bonuses. Bias, prejudice, turf protection, greed, politics.
>
> Focus - Leadership into and through decision making
>
> Vision, goals, objectives, strategic direction. Inspiration,
guidance.
> Choice of questions, order of questions, timing, choreography.
>
>
>
> Best to all,
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> ----------------------------
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>
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> Market Engineering International
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>
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>
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