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Help,

The university I teach for is currently considering applying for AACSB
accreditation. One of our concerns is the vagueness of the standards,
especially as it pertains to faculty composition and credentials. Worse yet,
we are told that the published standards aren't the "real" standards that will
be applied by the evaluation committee. In desperation I am soliciting
anecdotal evidence upon which we can make estimates of what the "real"
standards are.

If you have recently gone through accreditation, or know of someone who has, I
would appreciate your insights relating to the required percentage of
"academically qualified" faculty both for the undergraduate program and for
the MBA program. Also, I would like to know how that percentage is calculated
(FTE, MFTE, contact hours, etc.). We are a teaching institution without a PhD
program.

Please respond to me directly at "rlrosscpa@aol.com", and save everyone else
the bandwidth. Thanks in advance.

Ron Ross

It could be that my not knowing what AACSB stands for indicates that I
can't help - but out of curiosity, what do the initials stand for?

Thanks

Phil





At 09:08 29/04/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Help,
>
>The university I teach for is currently considering applying for AACSB
>accreditation. One of our concerns is the vagueness of the standards,
>especially as it pertains to faculty composition and credentials. Worse yet,
>we are told that the published standards aren't the "real" standards that
will
>be applied by the evaluation committee. In desperation I am soliciting
>anecdotal evidence upon which we can make estimates of what the "real"
>standards are.
>
>If you have recently gone through accreditation, or know of someone who
has, I
>would appreciate your insights relating to the required percentage of
>"academically qualified" faculty both for the undergraduate program and for
>the MBA program. Also, I would like to know how that percentage is
calculated
>(FTE, MFTE, contact hours, etc.). We are a teaching institution without a
PhD
>program.
>
>Please respond to me directly at "rlrosscpa@aol.com", and save everyone else
>the bandwidth. Thanks in advance.
>
>Ron Ross
>
>
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Competency-based systems specialists
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robnphil@ozemail.com.au

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Phil Rutherford wrote:

> It could be that my not knowing what AACSB stands for indicates that I
> can't help - but out of curiosity, what do the initials stand for?

This is now known as:
AACSB - The International Association for Management Education.

the AACSB part stood for American Assembly of
Collegiate Schools of Business but they changed that
because they actually accredit schools outside of the USA

Of the nearly 2,400 schools in the nation offering business
programs, 659 are affiliated with the AACSB, and 319 institutions are
accredited, most of them the larger schools with lots of resources.

The other major accrediting agency for Colleges of Business is:
ACBSP - Association of Collegiate Business Schools and Programs

cheers!
marshall

Dave,
Thanks for that. I also got a couple of replies from the US and in at least
one there was an extensive explanation of their system. I knew I'd heard it
somewhere (does anyone remember everything that was in the Karpin Report?)
and thought for a moment it had something to do with a competency standards
body.

The AACSB appears to have a lot of similarities with the philosophical
underpinnings of our accreditation systems under NFROT/TRF but in practice
are miles apart. It is a shame that ours doesn't put as much rigour in
accreditation and quality assurance as their seems to.

Thanks again.

Phil



At 00:19 1/05/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Phil, you should know this -
>the American Assembly of Collegiate Business Schools (AACSB)
>Plenty of references in the Karpin Report - that advocated some sort of
quality
>accrediation. In a more recent report, by the HEC (Sept 1996), rejected a "a
>discrete mandated national accreditation system for management education"

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Competency-based systems specialists
61 2 6230 4823
robnphil@ozemail.com.au

The accreditation agency is
American Assembly of Colleges and Schools of Business
I think. Suffolk is one of those accredited,
believe me it is easier to say "Double A"
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Frances Burke, PhD - Professor Internet: fburke@acad.suffolk.edu
Suffolk University Phone: 617 573-8315
Sawyer School of Management Fax: 617 573-8704
8 Ashburton Place, Beacon Hill URL: http://www.suffolk.edu
Boston, MA. 02108-2770, USA
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Frances


On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Phil Rutherford wrote:

> It could be that my not knowing what AACSB stands for indicates that I
> can't help - but out of curiosity, what do the initials stand for?
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> At 09:08 29/04/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >Help,
> >
> >The university I teach for is currently considering applying for AACSB
> >accreditation. One of our concerns is the vagueness of the standards,
> >especially as it pertains to faculty composition and credentials. Worse yet,
> >we are told that the published standards aren't the "real" standards that
> will
> >be applied by the evaluation committee. In desperation I am soliciting
> >anecdotal evidence upon which we can make estimates of what the "real"
> >standards are.
> >
> >If you have recently gone through accreditation, or know of someone who
> has, I
> >would appreciate your insights relating to the required percentage of
> >"academically qualified" faculty both for the undergraduate program and for
> >the MBA program. Also, I would like to know how that percentage is
> calculated
> >(FTE, MFTE, contact hours, etc.). We are a teaching institution without a
> PhD
> >program.
> >
> >Please respond to me directly at "rlrosscpa@aol.com", and save everyone else
> >the bandwidth. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Ron Ross
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------
> P D Rutherford & Associates Pty Ltd
> Competency-based systems specialists
> 61 2 6230 4823
> robnphil@ozemail.com.au
> ------------------------------------
>

Phil,

American Assembly of Colleges and Schools of Business. They have since
changed their name. but they are still known as AACSB.

Ron

Their new name is:
AACSB - The International Association for Management Education. In April
1997 AACSB members voted for this new name to more accurately describe what
the organization is doing and where it is headed. Visit their home page at:
http://www.aacsb.edu/
It is a not-for-profit corporation of educational institutions, corporations
and other organizations devoted to the promotion and improvement of higher
education in business administration and management. Organized in 1916,
AACSB is the premier accrediting agency for bachelor�s, master�s and
doctoral degree programs in business administration and accounting. As of
November 1997, there are 340 accredited programs 335 in the U.S., four in
Canada and one in Europe (France).
AACSB is located at 600 Emerson Road, Suite 300, St. Louis, MO,
63141-6762, U.S.A. Telephone: 314-872-8481; Fax: 314-872-8495.

Phil and others:

Not true. AACSB, as one previous correspondent has correctly noted,
stands for "American Assembly of Collegiate Schools of Business."
There's a fine research study that came out about a decade ago on
"management education" (now THERE'S an academic oxymoron!!):
"Management Education and Development: Drift or Thrust into the 21st
Century"; authors were Lyman Porter and Larry McKibbin (McGraw-Hill,
1988).

Best,

WDM

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* Warren D. Miller, MBA, CPA-ABV, CMA *
* Beckmill Research/Lexington, Va. *
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* 540.463.6200 (v); 540.463.6208 (f) *
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Charlie:

Just clicked on the AACSB site. Had to chuckle when I saw this: "If
you do not receive a reply from us within three days, this means our
response was unable to get through to you via Email due to your browser
configuration." Does that sound like the typical manager blaming the
customer, or what?? Heaven forbid that culpability ever reside w/AACSB!

WDM

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Warren D. Miller, MBA, CPA-ABV, CMA *
* Beckmill Research/Lexington, Va. *
* "Research Orientation, Results Mentality" *
* 540.463.6200 (v); 540.463.6208 (f) *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Phil, you should know this -
the American Assembly of Collegiate Business Schools (AACSB)
Plenty of references in the Karpin Report - that advocated some sort of quality
accrediation. In a more recent report, by the HEC (Sept 1996), rejected a "a
discrete mandated national accreditation system for management education"
(p.30) but then went onto say that any market demands for national
accreditation could be met by a voluntary system in which criteria referenced
standards would be applicable (sound familar). In other words a AACBS type
system. At this stage its a case of watch this space.
Hope this helps,
Dave
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Phil Rutherford wrote:
>
> It could be that my not knowing what AACSB stands for indicates that I
> can't help - but out of curiosity, what do the initials stand for?
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil
>
> At 09:08 29/04/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >Help,
> >
> >The university I teach for is currently considering applying for AACSB
> >accreditation. One of our concerns is the vagueness of the standards,
> >especially as it pertains to faculty composition and credentials. Worse yet,
> >we are told that the published standards aren't the "real" standards that
> will
> >be applied by the evaluation committee. In desperation I am soliciting
> >anecdotal evidence upon which we can make estimates of what the "real"
> >standards are.
> >
> >If you have recently gone through accreditation, or know of someone who
> has, I
> >would appreciate your insights relating to the required percentage of
> >"academically qualified" faculty both for the undergraduate program and for
> >the MBA program. Also, I would like to know how that percentage is
> calculated
> >(FTE, MFTE, contact hours, etc.). We are a teaching institution without a
> PhD
> >program.
> >
> >Please respond to me directly at "rlrosscpa@aol.com", and save everyone else
> >the bandwidth. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Ron Ross
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------
> P D Rutherford & Associates Pty Ltd
> Competency-based systems specialists
> 61 2 6230 4823
> robnphil@ozemail.com.au
>