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  • 1.  Re:

    Posted 05-27-1998 13:15
    Dear Larry,

    I am surprised that you refer to this as "a squabble." Some of the issues
    discussed are fundamental to all listserv protocols and about how we treat
    people over e-mail. Besides, I think several of us have learned something
    and isn't that what it's all about. Many of the comments have provided an
    opportunity for dialogue and I, for one, appreciate other's viewpoints and
    support.

    Margie Summerscales
    Salt Lake City, Utah


  • 2.  Re:

    Posted 02-24-1999 10:58
    Nicely put, Kim. One mild caveat: Remember McLuhan: "The medium is the
    message."
    Leon

    Kim Boal wrote:

    > Dear Netters, I agree with John that "content" is crucial. In fact, I
    > think sometimes too much emphasis is put on process to the neglect of
    > content. We know that "experts" use different and more efficient
    > heuristics that novices in making decisions. Thus, we must insure that
    > students possess both content and process skills. In this regard, I tell
    > my students in strategy that it is not acceptable for them to say to me,
    > "I am an HRM major. I do people, not numbers. Or, I am an Acounting
    > major, I crunch numbers, not people." Neither is sufficent, both are
    > necessary.
    >
    > The point I wished to make in my earlier post is that it is not possible
    > for me to know all the things my students will need to know and master to
    > be successful, much less teach them all of those things. What I can do,
    > however, is insure that what I teach them is valid, and try to equipment
    > with the capacity to learn, on their own, those additional things they will
    > need to be successful in their careers. In general terms this involves
    > knowledge about their industry, company, job, and self. All of which,
    > except the later, are beyond the domain of what most business schools can
    > teach given the variety of students interests and career uncertainties.
    >
    > I realize that many are critical of our endeavors much less success, but
    > folks like John Naman, Charlie Wankel, Larry Pate, Rhonda Reger, (to
    > mention a few of the academics who contribute to the web conversations),
    > and I are trying.
    >
    > A view from the "hills" of Lubbock, Texas.
    >
    > Regards to all, Kim Boal
    >
    > --------------------------------
    > Kim Boal
    > College of Business Administration
    > Texas Tech University
    > Lubbock, TX 79409
    > (806) 742-2150
    > KimBoal@ttu.edu


  • 3.  Re:

    Posted 03-03-1999 14:40
    Raj - as it happens, I'm the coordinator of the Case Critique Colloquium,
    which will be one of the Professional Development workshops that precede
    the regular sessions of the Academy of Management, in Chicago, Illinois.
    Our session will be on Saturday, 7 August. Cases to be presented have not
    yet been selected, and I'd be delighted to put your case into the
    competition to be presented.

    You should send me four copies of your case, together with its associated
    teaching note, as soon as reasonably practical. I will post a reminder
    call on this and other nets very soon, giving more details.

    For your information, this session is sponsored by the Business Planning &
    Strategy Division of the Academy, the Managerial Consultation division,
    and NACRA (the North American Case Research Association). Cases from all
    mangerial disciplines are welcome. We will promise you careful and lving
    reviews, and the chance for presentation and publication in the
    Proceedings of the session.

    I'm currently the President of NACRA. Send to me (my residence address):

    Timothy W. Edlund
    16 Coldwater Court
    Baltimore, MD 21204-2043 USA

    Voice: +1-410-337-9143 FAX: +1-410-337-5253 tedlund@Morgan.edu


    Cordially, Tim Edlund, Morgan State University, Baltimore, MD
    Campus connections: Voice: +1-443-885-1687 FAX: +1-410-319-4034


    On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, R.Bali wrote:

    > Dear All,
    >
    > I have recently joined this mailing list but did not introduce myself to
    > the group first. So, apologies and a precis:
    >
    > Am currently an IS lecturer at Coventry University (in the UK). I am
    > completing a PhD in Organisational Culture and MIS. My current research
    > has spawned a few papers:
    >
    > (1) a conceptual model for MIS implementation in small business (SMEs)
    > (2) a case-study based on the implementation approach (with ethnographic
    > vignettes)
    > (3) a literature review of organisational culture and IT
    > (4) access and the role of ethics when undergoing ethnographic immersion
    >
    > I am therefore interested in submitting one or more of these
    > papers/articles. If anyone should now of a suitable outlet, I trust that
    > you will let me know.
    >
    > Kind Regards.
    >
    > Raj Bali
    > ==============
    >
    > Raj Bali
    > MIS
    > Coventry University, Priory Street, Coventry. W-Mids CV1 5FP
    > Tel: +44(0)1203 838901
    > email: r.bali@cov.ac.uk
    >


  • 4.  Re:

    Posted 03-03-1999 15:27
    Dear Raj (and others on the list),

    There is still some room on the program of the International Conference on
    Advances in Management (ICAM), to be held in Baton Rouge, Louisianna, in
    early July 1999. As one of the Track Chairs, I'd be happy to consider your
    paper(s) for presentation. That goes for others on the list too. I'd like
    to be able to add about 10 more papers to my track. Thanks.

    Best,


    Larry Pate
    University of Wisconsin-Madison
    1999 ICAM OB Track Chair


    At 06:18 PM 3/3/99 +0000, you wrote:
    >Dear All,
    >
    >I have recently joined this mailing list but did not introduce myself to
    >the group first. So, apologies and a precis:
    >
    >Am currently an IS lecturer at Coventry University (in the UK). I am
    >completing a PhD in Organisational Culture and MIS. My current research
    >has spawned a few papers:
    >
    >(1) a conceptual model for MIS implementation in small business (SMEs)
    >(2) a case-study based on the implementation approach (with ethnographic
    >vignettes)
    >(3) a literature review of organisational culture and IT
    >(4) access and the role of ethics when undergoing ethnographic immersion
    >
    >I am therefore interested in submitting one or more of these
    >papers/articles. If anyone should now of a suitable outlet, I trust that
    >you will let me know.
    >
    >Kind Regards.
    >
    >Raj Bali
    >==============
    >
    >Raj Bali
    >MIS
    >Coventry University, Priory Street, Coventry. W-Mids CV1 5FP
    >Tel: +44(0)1203 838901
    >email: r.bali@cov.ac.uk
    >


  • 5.  Re:

    Posted 03-31-1999 10:39
    Dear Kevin, the only trait you mentioned, with which I agree, is having
    good communication skills (though not in the way you describe them, i.e.,
    brag, bribing).

    If you look at the research by Morgan Mc
    Call, at the Center for Leadership, on why fast track managers derail, I
    think that many of the traits that you equate with success are associated
    with ultimate failure. It is not lack of effort, ability, accomplishment
    that ultimately kills a career, it is the inability to work effectively
    with others, and traits like cruel and thick face, that will ultimately be
    your undoing.

    In a just world, cruel individuals would not rise to positions of power.
    Unfortunately, Boal's 3rd Law often applies

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, and
    you can fool all of the people some of the time, and
    that is generally sufficient.

    Not only do I think your traits for success are ultimately self defeating,
    I think your notion of what it means to be a successful human being
    (money/wealth) is one you will also find limiting and unsatisfactory.
    While the cynic might remark, "people who say money can not buy happiness,
    don't know where to shop," I know people who also say, "I'm in the wrong
    job, with the wrong company, but I got seniority." Personally, I think
    when we reflect on those who lead lives of quite desperation, it is not for
    lack of money. While the Greeks agreed with you that wealth, (along with
    health and wisdom) was necessary for the good life, note that it was not
    sufficient. People, I know, who I think live the good life, have good
    jobs, good friends/family, good pay, good times, and, possibly most
    important, purpose. Furthermore, that purpose is not self serving.
    Intestingly, I think if you talked to entreprenuers in Silicon Valley, who
    have become wealthy (certainly beyond anything I am likely to achieve in my
    lifetime), they will tell you that money was never a motivating force in
    their success.

    Finally, while some people tend to equate money with morality (you hear
    them say things like, "if only people would believe this or do that, they
    would be more successful" (materially)), I think to equate the moral life
    (a life well lived) with material success is pernicious philosophically.

    I trust that as you gain age (and wisdom), you will reassess your goals and
    what it takes to achieve them.

    Best, Kim Boal



    t you mentioned that I can endorseAt 04:48 AM 3/31/99 -0700, you wrote:
    >Kim,
    >
    >What I was told by many businesspersons, to be successful in real world you
    >ought to:
    >* Have a good communication skill (good at convincing people, sometimes do
    >brag; good at lobbying & bribing).
    >* Be Iron Heart (as what Margaret Thatcher was known???)
    >* Be Thick Face (shameless)
    >* Be Cruel (it's more or less as if you are in the battlefield, either you
    >kill me or I kill you)
    >Please be noted that in this case: "successful" = being wealthy, rich.
    >
    >What are your comments on those traits? For sure, I wanna be rich.. but I
    >don't have such traits. How is the likely I will be successful?
    >
    >Kevin
    >
    >
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: Kim Boal <odkbb@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
    >To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    >Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 9:25 PM
    >Subject: Re: Getting the 1st Job
    >
    >
    >> Kevin Easton asks an interesting question, ie., what does it take to be
    >> successful. I am sure everyone on the net has their own receipe. For me,
    >> the keys to being successful lie in figuring out how I can contribute to
    >> helping my organization and the people around me be successful. I think
    >> this requires first, knowing thyself (as the Oracle at Delphi would
    >> suggest). Then learning everything about your job, your organization, and
    >> your industry and connecting the dots. Two caveats: think future tense,
    >> not past; and recognize that hubris will be your greatest enemy the more
    >> successful you become.
    >>
    >> Let's hear those receipes.
    >>
    >> Kim
    >
    >
    >
    >____________________________________________________________________
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    --------------------------------
    Kim Boal
    College of Business Administration
    Texas Tech University
    Lubbock, TX 79409
    (806) 742-2150
    KimBoal@ttu.edu


  • 6.  Re:

    Posted 03-31-1999 21:43
    On 31 March Kevin said:

    >What I was told by many businesspersons, to be successful in real world
    you
    ought to:

    * Have a good communication skill (good at convincing people, sometimes do
    brag; good at lobbying & bribing).
    * Be Iron Heart (as what Margaret Thatcher was known???)
    * Be Thick Face (shameless)
    * Be Cruel (it's more or less as if you are in the battlefield, either you
    kill me or I kill you)
    Please be noted that in this case: "successful" = being wealthy, rich.


    Kevin,
    I don't know who the so-called 'successful business people' were who told
    you this but I'm not sure it was good advice.

    Success for you is going to be entirely different than success for others.
    What is it that you want to be successful at? Making money (well, how much
    do you need? Have you considered the many hundreds of ways of making it
    without being cruel, heartless, 'eat or be eaten' etc?), being a good
    parent, or citizen, or business person? Think hard and fast about what you
    want to be remembered as successful at and then decide how you want to do
    it.

    Remember, all of the successful people in this world who give advice on how
    to be successful are only talking from their experience. Ask Poppy King how
    to be successful, or Rupert Murdoch, or Paul Keating, or Ross Peron, or
    Maggie Thatcher. All of them will give you different tips and different
    stories - because their idea of success is far different to that of others.

    Don't go through life trying to measure yourself against what others see as
    important. You will always fail. Spend your time identifying what you see
    as important and then measure yourself against that. In life there is only
    one person in his/her own race and that is the person you will be competing
    against.

    Phil Rutherford
    Academic Director and Lecturer
    Competency-based systems specialist
    robnphil@ozemail.com.au
    http://www.competency-au.com


  • 7.  Re:

    Posted 04-01-1999 08:54
    Kevin,
    I have been impressed with something that I heard by Earl Nightingale many
    years ago and I'll share it with you. It went something like, "If you help
    enough other people get what they want, then you will get what you want."
    He was talking about being successful and he stressed that you should pick
    a line of work that other folks either could not or would not do for
    themselves and be good at it.
    You have already received lots of excellent advice but putting any of it
    into practice is totally up to you.
    When it really matters to most folks it's a little too late to fix it.
    How would you like to be remembered by each person that is important in
    your life?
    Good luck.
    Hubert Wood
    Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College
    >>From owner-mg-ed-dv@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Wed Mar 31 21:58:52 1999
    >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
    >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162
    >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:43:06 +1000
    >Reply-To: robnphil@ozemail.com.au
    >Sender: Management Education and Development Discussion
    > <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    >From: Phillip Rutherford <robnphil@ozemail.com.au>
    >Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV]
    >To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    >
    >On 31 March Kevin said:
    >
    >>What I was told by many businesspersons, to be successful in real world
    >you
    >ought to:
    >
    >* Have a good communication skill (good at convincing people, sometimes do
    >brag; good at lobbying & bribing).
    >* Be Iron Heart (as what Margaret Thatcher was known???)
    >* Be Thick Face (shameless)
    >* Be Cruel (it's more or less as if you are in the battlefield, either you
    >kill me or I kill you)
    >Please be noted that in this case: "successful" = being wealthy, rich.
    >
    >
    >Kevin,
    >I don't know who the so-called 'successful business people' were who told
    >you this but I'm not sure it was good advice.
    >
    >Success for you is going to be entirely different than success for others.
    >What is it that you want to be successful at? Making money (well, how much
    >do you need? Have you considered the many hundreds of ways of making it
    >without being cruel, heartless, 'eat or be eaten' etc?), being a good
    >parent, or citizen, or business person? Think hard and fast about what you
    >want to be remembered as successful at and then decide how you want to do
    >it.
    >
    >Remember, all of the successful people in this world who give advice on how
    >to be successful are only talking from their experience. Ask Poppy King how
    >to be successful, or Rupert Murdoch, or Paul Keating, or Ross Peron, or
    >Maggie Thatcher. All of them will give you different tips and different
    >stories - because their idea of success is far different to that of others.
    >
    >Don't go through life trying to measure yourself against what others see as
    >important. You will always fail. Spend your time identifying what you see
    >as important and then measure yourself against that. In life there is only
    >one person in his/her own race and that is the person you will be competing
    >against.
    >
    >Phil Rutherford
    >Academic Director and Lecturer
    >Competency-based systems specialist
    >robnphil@ozemail.com.au
    >http://www.competency-au.com
    >
    >


  • 8.  Re:

    Posted 05-11-1999 13:16
    Jo Ann - and others - sounds like not just companies, but also parishes,
    universities, etc.

    Supposedly true, a lot of years ago, in the Pacific ocean, on a destroyer,
    two bored naval officers, noticing the number of apparently meaningless
    reports that had to be sent to higher authority, put together a "garbage
    report" describing the amount of garbage generated, and how it had been
    disposed of, and started sending this report on a regular basis to the
    Squadron commander. after a while, the other ships in the squadron
    received a message, asking whey they had not been submitting the
    required garbage reports.

    Tim Edlund

    On Mon, 10 May 1999, Jo Ann White wrote:

    > Sad to say, but I have seen this type of learned behavior in a number of
    > organizations.
    > >
    > > For all you future managers, here's a good technique for which you
    > > don't need a MBA.
    > >
    > > > Company Policy
    > > >
    > > > Start with a cage containing five apes. In the
    > > > cage, hang a banana on a
    > > > string and put stairs under it. Before long, an ape
    > > > will go up the stairs
    > > > and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as
    > > > he touches the stairs,
    > > > spray all the apes with cold water.
    > > >
    > > > After a while, another ape makes an attempt with the
    > > > same result - all the
    > > > apes are sprayed with cold water. Turn off the cold
    > > > water.
    > > >
    > > > If, later, another ape tries to climb the stairs,
    > > > the other apes will try
    > > > to prevent it even though no water sprays them.
    > > > Now, remove one ape from
    > > > the cage and replace it with a new one. The new ape
    > > > sees the banana and
    > > > wants to climb the stairs. To his horror, all of
    > > > the apes attack him.
    > > > After another attempt and attack, he knows that if
    > > > he tries to climb the
    > > > stairs, he will be assaulted.
    > > >
    > > > Next, remove another of the original five apes and
    > > > replace it with a new
    > > > one.
    > > >
    > > > The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked.
    > > > The previous newcomer
    > > > takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm.
    > > >
    > > > Again, replace a third original ape with a new one.
    > > > The new one makes it to
    > > > the stairs and is attacked as well. Two of the four
    > > > apes that beat him up
    > > > have no idea why they were not permitted to climb
    > > > the stairs, or why they
    > > > are participating in the beating of the newest ape.
    > > >
    > > > After replacing the fourth and fifth original apes,
    > > > all the apes that have
    > > > been sprayed with cold water have been replaced.
    > > > Nevertheless, no ape ever
    > > > again approaches the stairs.
    > > >
    > > > Why not? "Because that's the way it's always been
    > > > around here."
    > > >
    > > > That's how company policy begins .....
    >


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