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Hi Paul,

At last, somone on this list with research on their minds - halleluia!

I teach here at UCC as lecturer in management [largely HRM] and have become
increasingly disenchanted over the 10 years I've been here with the
pedagogical models we use - decisions in advance of what to teach adults -
esp. at the adult postgrad level; poor or limited feedback mechanisms,
norm-referenced grading criteria, etc etc

Last year, I set up a new vehicle for my teaching, research and consulting
called the Strategic Learning Research Programme [and I hope my students
can help me figure out what the hell SL means over the next so many years!]

My first 'product' is a 2-year, parttime Master of Commerce degree by
research aimed at the experienced, practising manager - with attendance at
monthly day-long seminars, week-long study visits to the UK and USA, and
submission of a 'thesis' defended in oral exam at the end.

My twist on this story is: I more or less decide what year 1 is going to
look like - intros to andragogy-strategy-ind'l/org'l
learning-change-creativity and the student decides what year 2 looks like
for them - i.e. what to write about, what resources/materials they want
from me etc.

Also, the 'thesis' is "collaborative research" - an iterative process of
search, identification, writing/editing, presentation - following Michael
Beer's working paper from 1997 'Why management research findings are
unimplementable: an action science perspective' - a two-fold exercise - i.
a 4-part case on the student's organisation/site and an 'issue' they want
resolved [union woes; cultural change; top team integration are some of the
nine topics chosen to date] and ii. a journal-ready article co-authored
with me developing this issue further.

The final 'thesis' or learning product has the following parts:

i. introduction - c. 10pp
ii. 4-part case - c. 80pp [4 x 20pp following a
diagnosis-design-delivery-evaluation frame]
iii. journal article - c. 20pp
iv. conclusions - c. 10pp
v. refs - c. 5pp

total - c. 125pp

It's been a fantastic learning exercise for me and the group to date with
more to come - what it shows is that innovation in design, delivery and
evaluation of manager education programmes is required for us to really
engage with the issues of managerial and organisational life - and access
is never a problem as these nine students/learners are senior ranking execs
where they work!

I intend to next offer a parttime PhD route for this type of customer over
four years and already have applications via word-of-mouth for that and
another MComm progr tho' I won't take a new class until Fall '99 after the
first guinea pigs get through!

I am also writing up the experiences of the group [and myself!] as the
'book of the course' which should be novel - very little gets published
about managers learning - esp as adults and self-directed learners.

What all this has to do with your request is:

i. there is huge and growing demand for SDL among experienced, practising
managers [EPMs] who want to think and learn for themselves for a change -
but in my experience very few innovative responses from univs [whatever
about co's]. Especially of interest to the EPM is getting a well-regraded
univ qualification as they are learning - a win-win process for all concerned.

ii. we need to convene an int'l conf on this subject to gauge the feelings
of the univ and the corp. HRD/Mgt Dev people about 'the way forward' - what
about here or Boca Raton in late May [after classes] of 2000??

iii. collaborative international research into SDL for the experienced,
practising manager would be of great interest to me - are you interested? -
and setting out a work progr over the next few years would attract interest
and funding from the European Union bureaucrats in Brussels [who would also
part-fund a conf]

Best,

Jim Walsh, PhD
Lecturer in Management

***

At 11:34 AM 5/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I am an associate professor of management at Florida
>Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Florida who is
>looking for colleagues interested in conducting
>research in the area of self-directed learning. I
>have been been working with companies such as
>Motorola, Disney and Johnson and Johnson. Please
>contact me by e-mail if you have an interest in this
>area and please put SDL Research as your subject.
>Thank you. Paul J. Guglielmino.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
*********************************
Dr. James S. Walsh
Director, Strategic Learning Research Programme
National University of Ireland, Cork
Ireland

Phone: Int'l + 353.21.902633
Fax: Int'l + 353.21.903377
Email: jw@ucc.ie
*********************************

Jim: Thank you for contacting me. I am interested
in studying the affects of culture on learning and
secondly, if entrepreneurs are more self-directed in
their learning than members of the general adult
population. I am using a validated instrument to
measure SDL. It is the Self-Directed Learning
Readiness Scale (SDLRS). If you would like me to
send you a bibliography of research please send me
your mailing address. Thanks. Paul.







---Jim Walsh wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> At last, somone on this list with research on their
minds - halleluia!
>
> I teach here at UCC as lecturer in management
[largely HRM] and have become
> increasingly disenchanted over the 10 years I've
been here with the
> pedagogical models we use - decisions in advance of
what to teach adults -
> esp. at the adult postgrad level; poor or limited
feedback mechanisms,
> norm-referenced grading criteria, etc etc
>
> Last year, I set up a new vehicle for my teaching,
research and consulting
> called the Strategic Learning Research Programme
[and I hope my students
> can help me figure out what the hell SL means over
the next so many years!]
>
> My first 'product' is a 2-year, parttime Master of
Commerce degree by
> research aimed at the experienced, practising
manager - with attendance at
> monthly day-long seminars, week-long study visits
to the UK and USA, and
> submission of a 'thesis' defended in oral exam at
the end.
>
> My twist on this story is: I more or less decide
what year 1 is going to
> look like - intros to andragogy-strategy-ind'l/org'l
> learning-change-creativity and the student decides
what year 2 looks like
> for them - i.e. what to write about, what
resources/materials they want
> from me etc.
>
> Also, the 'thesis' is "collaborative research" - an
iterative process of
> search, identification, writing/editing,
presentation - following Michael
> Beer's working paper from 1997 'Why management
research findings are
> unimplementable: an action science perspective' - a
two-fold exercise - i.
> a 4-part case on the student's organisation/site
and an 'issue' they want
> resolved [union woes; cultural change; top team
integration are some of the
> nine topics chosen to date] and ii. a journal-ready
article co-authored
> with me developing this issue further.
>
> The final 'thesis' or learning product has the
following parts:
>
> i. introduction - c. 10pp
> ii. 4-part case - c. 80pp [4 x 20pp following a
> diagnosis-design-delivery-evaluation frame]
> iii. journal article - c. 20pp
> iv. conclusions - c. 10pp
> v. refs - c. 5pp
>
> total - c. 125pp
>
> It's been a fantastic learning exercise for me and
the group to date with
> more to come - what it shows is that innovation in
design, delivery and
> evaluation of manager education programmes is
required for us to really
> engage with the issues of managerial and
organisational life - and access
> is never a problem as these nine students/learners
are senior ranking execs
> where they work!
>
> I intend to next offer a parttime PhD route for
this type of customer over
> four years and already have applications via
word-of-mouth for that and
> another MComm progr tho' I won't take a new class
until Fall '99 after the
> first guinea pigs get through!
>
> I am also writing up the experiences of the group
[and myself!] as the
> 'book of the course' which should be novel - very
little gets published
> about managers learning - esp as adults and
self-directed learners.
>
> What all this has to do with your request is:
>
> i. there is huge and growing demand for SDL among
experienced, practising
> managers [EPMs] who want to think and learn for
themselves for a change -
> but in my experience very few innovative responses
from univs [whatever
> about co's]. Especially of interest to the EPM is
getting a well-regraded
> univ qualification as they are learning - a win-win
process for all concerned.
>
> ii. we need to convene an int'l conf on this
subject to gauge the feelings
> of the univ and the corp. HRD/Mgt Dev people about
'the way forward' - what
> about here or Boca Raton in late May [after
classes] of 2000??
>
> iii. collaborative international research into SDL
for the experienced,
> practising manager would be of great interest to me
- are you interested? -
> and setting out a work progr over the next few
years would attract interest
> and funding from the European Union bureaucrats in
Brussels [who would also
> part-fund a conf]
>
> Best,
>
> Jim Walsh, PhD
> Lecturer in Management
>
> ***
>
> At 11:34 AM 5/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >I am an associate professor of management at Florida
> >Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Florida who is
> >looking for colleagues interested in conducting
> >research in the area of self-directed learning. I
> >have been been working with companies such as
> >Motorola, Disney and Johnson and Johnson. Please
> >contact me by e-mail if you have an interest in this
> >area and please put SDL Research as your subject.
> >Thank you. Paul J. Guglielmino.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________
> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at
http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> *********************************
> Dr. James S. Walsh
> Director, Strategic Learning Research Programme
> National University of Ireland, Cork
> Ireland
>
> Phone: Int'l + 353.21.902633
> Fax: Int'l + 353.21.903377
> Email: jw@ucc.ie
> *********************************
>

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Jim Walsh <jw@UCC.IE> wrote:

>Michael Beer's working paper from 1997 'Why management research findings are
>unimplementable: an action science perspective'

Please - where can I get a copy of this paper?

>At last, somone on this list with research on their minds - halleluia!

I echo this sentiment. My own work has been directed at management education
in workshop environments - with a process we call "Realsearch (real people
working real problems in real time) - where a company chooses a major
problem or opportunity critical to them - and generally interesting to
industry at large. The host company fields 5-7 responsible parties and I
find 10-15 similarly interested people from other organizations to join the
workshop. The host provides a tangible context for examining the
problem/opportunity and the visiting people provide experiences and
knowledge that 1) brings fresh ideas and 2) doesn't let the host team hide
behind political or corporate cultural myopia.

This Realsearch process has structure that guides the participants toward
analysis and synthesis of highly robust solutions to the problem or
opportunity under focus - and results in structured solution models that
serve as metaphors for constructing similarly robust solutions in other
business areas.

Our research is focused on ways to create new knowledge at the level of
insight among the participants - leveraged patterns that will be applied
thereafter in life to other problems in need of robust solutions (Robust -
highly change proficient and able to accommodate the ravages of time and
change).

A paper delivered in March this year to the IEEE Aerospace Conference called
"Realsearch: A Framework for Knowledge Management and Continuing Education"
can be found at http://www.parshift.com/rsrch00.htm

My belief is that schools teach too much history - that used to be a lot
more valuable when things changed slowly. Today things change so fast that
more of the learning process needs to occur simultaneously with the
application process.

Soon we will be investigating ways to create a similar experience (insight
development) on the Internet - which will require a very different approach.

Paul Guglielmino wrote:
>I am using a validated instrument to measure SDL. It is the Self-Directed
>Learning Readiness Scale (SDLRS).

Paul - I am very interested in learning more about this validated instrument
SDLRS. I am involved with the National Learning Foundation and developing a
strategy to fulfill the NLF mission of "hastening the arrival of a learning
society". The belief at NLF is that people are born as natural learners but
much of that capability is suppressed during life by formal educational
systems and other learning mechanisms that fail to speak to most learner
profiles.

Paul Messier, president of NLF, has a good and brief overview in the Guest
Speaker portion of the Library at http://www.parshift.com/publicat.htm that
you might enjoy. In any event, the NLF will seek you out once its mission
fulfillment strategy is in place. We will be looking for researchers like
yourself that we can help support.

>If you would like me to
>send you a bibliography of research please send me your mailing address.

Please send bibliography to:
Rick Dove, Paradigm Shift International
Box 289
2051 Lama Mountain
Questa, New mexico 87556
===========================================================
Rick Dove
Chairman, Paradigm Shift International
Director, National Learning Foundation
Sr Fellow, Agility Forum

Jim,

We also do Guided Self-Directed Learning at the
Defense Systems Management College. We have a
14 week, 8 hours a day, integrated course in
acquisition management, covering eleven different
disciplines. I teach software acquisition mgmt.
I try to take what we have learned in the Executive
Program Management Course, which is all GSDL, and
apply it to the section I tech in the Advanced
Program Managment Course. My classes usually begin
in week five, and during the first five weeks I
work with interested students helping them do a
Critical Success Factor analysis, complete with
associated metrics. It has nothing to do with
software, and helps them get a focus on what is
truly critical to their success back in their
program offices. It gives me, besides a lot of
good rsearch material on Critical Success Factors,
a chance to use what I gain from the CSF analysis
to help the GSDL process in class. I use a lot of
innovation in what I do in terms of what they need
to learn, what kind of evaluation processes we will
use, etc. Most of them opt not to take the standard
test and end up doing something a lot more time
consuming and challenging, but which has a much better
learning outcome in terms of what will stick with
them after they leave. I like GSDL, but you have to
be very flexible. You have a standard curricula, but
it gets modified in many ways on an individual basis
depending on learning needs. It is challenging, but
also fun. And the students love it.

Jim Dobbins
associate dean
Defense Systems Management College
jdobbins@nishanet.com
http://www.dsmc.dsm.mil


Jim Walsh wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> At last, somone on this list with research on their minds - halleluia!
>
> I teach here at UCC as lecturer in management [largely HRM] and have become
> increasingly disenchanted over the 10 years I've been here with the
> pedagogical models we use - decisions in advance of what to teach adults -
> esp. at the adult postgrad level; poor or limited feedback mechanisms,
> norm-referenced grading criteria, etc etc
>
> Last year, I set up a new vehicle for my teaching, research and consulting
> called the Strategic Learning Research Programme [and I hope my students
> can help me figure out what the hell SL means over the next so many years!]
>
> My first 'product' is a 2-year, parttime Master of Commerce degree by
> research aimed at the experienced, practising manager - with attendance at
> monthly day-long seminars, week-long study visits to the UK and USA, and
> submission of a 'thesis' defended in oral exam at the end.
>
> My twist on this story is: I more or less decide what year 1 is going to
> look like - intros to andragogy-strategy-ind'l/org'l
> learning-change-creativity and the student decides what year 2 looks like
> for them - i.e. what to write about, what resources/materials they want
> from me etc.
>
> Also, the 'thesis' is "collaborative research" - an iterative process of
> search, identification, writing/editing, presentation - following Michael
> Beer's working paper from 1997 'Why management research findings are
> unimplementable: an action science perspective' - a two-fold exercise - i.
> a 4-part case on the student's organisation/site and an 'issue' they want
> resolved [union woes; cultural change; top team integration are some of the
> nine topics chosen to date] and ii. a journal-ready article co-authored
> with me developing this issue further.
>
> The final 'thesis' or learning product has the following parts:
>
> i. introduction - c. 10pp
> ii. 4-part case - c. 80pp [4 x 20pp following a
> diagnosis-design-delivery-evaluation frame]
> iii. journal article - c. 20pp
> iv. conclusions - c. 10pp
> v. refs - c. 5pp
>
> total - c. 125pp
>
> It's been a fantastic learning exercise for me and the group to date with
> more to come - what it shows is that innovation in design, delivery and
> evaluation of manager education programmes is required for us to really
> engage with the issues of managerial and organisational life - and access
> is never a problem as these nine students/learners are senior ranking execs
> where they work!
>
> I intend to next offer a parttime PhD route for this type of customer over
> four years and already have applications via word-of-mouth for that and
> another MComm progr tho' I won't take a new class until Fall '99 after the
> first guinea pigs get through!
>
> I am also writing up the experiences of the group [and myself!] as the
> 'book of the course' which should be novel - very little gets published
> about managers learning - esp as adults and self-directed learners.
>
> What all this has to do with your request is:
>
> i. there is huge and growing demand for SDL among experienced, practising
> managers [EPMs] who want to think and learn for themselves for a change -
> but in my experience very few innovative responses from univs [whatever
> about co's]. Especially of interest to the EPM is getting a well-regraded
> univ qualification as they are learning - a win-win process for all concerned.
>
> ii. we need to convene an int'l conf on this subject to gauge the feelings
> of the univ and the corp. HRD/Mgt Dev people about 'the way forward' - what
> about here or Boca Raton in late May [after classes] of 2000??
>
> iii. collaborative international research into SDL for the experienced,
> practising manager would be of great interest to me - are you interested? -
> and setting out a work progr over the next few years would attract interest
> and funding from the European Union bureaucrats in Brussels [who would also
> part-fund a conf]
>
> Best,
>
> Jim Walsh, PhD
> Lecturer in Management
>
> ***
>
> At 11:34 AM 5/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >I am an associate professor of management at Florida
> >Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Florida who is
> >looking for colleagues interested in conducting
> >research in the area of self-directed learning. I
> >have been been working with companies such as
> >Motorola, Disney and Johnson and Johnson. Please
> >contact me by e-mail if you have an interest in this
> >area and please put SDL Research as your subject.
> >Thank you. Paul J. Guglielmino.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________
> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> *********************************
> Dr. James S. Walsh
> Director, Strategic Learning Research Programme
> National University of Ireland, Cork
> Ireland
>
> Phone: Int'l + 353.21.902633
> Fax: Int'l + 353.21.903377
> Email: jw@ucc.ie
> *********************************

Jim,
If even half of your ideas get off the ground please include me on the
mailing list.

Regards

Phil



At 11:25 28/05/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>
>At last, somone on this list with research on their minds - halleluia!
>
>I teach here at UCC as lecturer in management [largely HRM] and have become
>increasingly disenchanted over the 10 years I've been here with the
>pedagogical models we use - decisions in advance of what to teach adults -
>esp. at the adult postgrad level; poor or limited feedback mechanisms,
>norm-referenced grading criteria, etc etc
>
>Last year, I set up a new vehicle for my teaching, research and consulting
>called the Strategic Learning Research Programme [and I hope my students
>can help me figure out what the hell SL means over the next so many years!]
>
>My first 'product' is a 2-year, parttime Master of Commerce degree by
>research aimed at the experienced, practising manager - with attendance at
>monthly day-long seminars, week-long study visits to the UK and USA, and
>submission of a 'thesis' defended in oral exam at the end.
>
>My twist on this story is: I more or less decide what year 1 is going to
>look like - intros to andragogy-strategy-ind'l/org'l
>learning-change-creativity and the student decides what year 2 looks like
>for them - i.e. what to write about, what resources/materials they want
>from me etc.
>
>Also, the 'thesis' is "collaborative research" - an iterative process of
>search, identification, writing/editing, presentation - following Michael
>Beer's working paper from 1997 'Why management research findings are
>unimplementable: an action science perspective' - a two-fold exercise - i.
>a 4-part case on the student's organisation/site and an 'issue' they want
>resolved [union woes; cultural change; top team integration are some of the
>nine topics chosen to date] and ii. a journal-ready article co-authored
>with me developing this issue further.
>
>The final 'thesis' or learning product has the following parts:
>
>i. introduction - c. 10pp
>ii. 4-part case - c. 80pp [4 x 20pp following a
>diagnosis-design-delivery-evaluation frame]
>iii. journal article - c. 20pp
>iv. conclusions - c. 10pp
>v. refs - c. 5pp
>
>total - c. 125pp
>
>It's been a fantastic learning exercise for me and the group to date with
>more to come - what it shows is that innovation in design, delivery and
>evaluation of manager education programmes is required for us to really
>engage with the issues of managerial and organisational life - and access
>is never a problem as these nine students/learners are senior ranking execs
>where they work!
>
>I intend to next offer a parttime PhD route for this type of customer over
>four years and already have applications via word-of-mouth for that and
>another MComm progr tho' I won't take a new class until Fall '99 after the
>first guinea pigs get through!
>
>I am also writing up the experiences of the group [and myself!] as the
>'book of the course' which should be novel - very little gets published
>about managers learning - esp as adults and self-directed learners.
>
>What all this has to do with your request is:
>
>i. there is huge and growing demand for SDL among experienced, practising
>managers [EPMs] who want to think and learn for themselves for a change -
>but in my experience very few innovative responses from univs [whatever
>about co's]. Especially of interest to the EPM is getting a well-regraded
>univ qualification as they are learning - a win-win process for all
concerned.
>
>ii. we need to convene an int'l conf on this subject to gauge the feelings
>of the univ and the corp. HRD/Mgt Dev people about 'the way forward' - what
>about here or Boca Raton in late May [after classes] of 2000??
>
>iii. collaborative international research into SDL for the experienced,
>practising manager would be of great interest to me - are you interested? -
>and setting out a work progr over the next few years would attract interest
>and funding from the European Union bureaucrats in Brussels [who would also
>part-fund a conf]
>
>Best,
>
>Jim Walsh, PhD
>Lecturer in Management
>
>***
>
>At 11:34 AM 5/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>I am an associate professor of management at Florida
>>Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Florida who is
>>looking for colleagues interested in conducting
>>research in the area of self-directed learning. I
>>have been been working with companies such as
>>Motorola, Disney and Johnson and Johnson. Please
>>contact me by e-mail if you have an interest in this
>>area and please put SDL Research as your subject.
>>Thank you. Paul J. Guglielmino.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________________
>>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>>
>*********************************
>Dr. James S. Walsh
>Director, Strategic Learning Research Programme
>National University of Ireland, Cork
>Ireland
>
>Phone: Int'l + 353.21.902633
>Fax: Int'l + 353.21.903377
>Email: jw@ucc.ie
>*********************************
>
>
------------------------------------
P D Rutherford & Associates Pty Ltd
Competency-based systems specialists
61 2 6230 4823
robnphil@ozemail.com.au

Rick: I am sending you a packet of information
concerning the past use of the SDLRS including a
bibliography of research. Paul.





---Rick Dove <dove@PARSHIFT.COM> wrote:
>
> Paul Guglielmino wrote:
> >I am using a validated instrument to measure SDL.
It is the Self-Directed
> >Learning Readiness Scale (SDLRS).
>
> Paul - I am very interested in learning more about
this validated instrument
> SDLRS. I am involved with the National Learning
Foundation and developing a
> strategy to fulfill the NLF mission of "hastening
the arrival of a learning
> society". The belief at NLF is that people are born
as natural learners but
> much of that capability is suppressed during life
by formal educational
> systems and other learning mechanisms that fail to
speak to most learner
> profiles.
>
> Paul Messier, president of NLF, has a good and
brief overview in the Guest
> Speaker portion of the Library at
http://www.parshift.com/publicat.htm that
> you might enjoy. In any event, the NLF will seek
you out once its mission
> fulfillment strategy is in place. We will be
looking for researchers like
> yourself that we can help support.
>
> >If you would like me to
> >send you a bibliography of research please send me
your mailing address.
>
> Please send bibliography to:
> Rick Dove, Paradigm Shift International
> Box 289
> 2051 Lama Mountain
> Questa, New mexico 87556
>
===========================================================
> Rick Dove
> Chairman, Paradigm Shift International
> Director, National Learning Foundation
> Sr Fellow, Agility Forum
>

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