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  • 1.  student members on curriculum committees

    Posted 05-26-2009 15:58
    My suggestion would be to add recent alumni/ae (1-5 years post-grad) to the committee, not current students, and to invite current students to participate in curriculum reviews and new program proposals.  Most current students are there to learn, not to teach, and are paying for our guided wisdom, not expecting (or qualified) to be providing the guidance.  (That said, it is always good to listen to incoming students about their aspirations and expectations...)  Alumni/ae -- especially MBAs and EMBAs -- have much to say about the relevance of a curriculum for their professional lives, and that's a perspective that faculty generally do not have.  And it affects the employability of our graduates.  Another option might be HR professionals, especially alums doing recruiting, working for employers of a school's grads.  

    Best,
    Tom.
      
    Thomas A. Bryant, Ph.D.
    Trustee / Visiting Professor of Social Entrepreneurship, Newark School of Theology
    Entrepreneur-in-Residence, Enterprise Development Center, New Jersey Institute of Technology

    For a different approach to valuing the work of entrepreneurs, SEE: Valuing the Closely Held Firm by Mike Long and Tom Bryant

    On May 26, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Liang Neng wrote:

    Dear colleagues,
    We are considering to add some student members to our curriculum committee (currently all faculty), but are not sure of its full implications. On the positive side, it ensures students feedback and advise on curriculum issues; on the down side, we are concerned that it may have unintended consequences. I understand that Wharton does not have student members, but Kellogg and Duke do. I will appreciate comments/feedback on this issue, especially from those whose schools do have students members on curriculum committee. Thank you very much in advance.
    Neng Liang, Associate Dean and EMBA Director, Professor of Management,
    China Europe International Business School (CEIBS)
    liangneng@ceibs.edu
    8621-28905229; f: 8621-28905108.




  • 2.  student members on curriculum committees

    Posted 05-26-2009 16:20

    I agree with Tom, wholeheartedly.  We need to gather information from alums and hiring managers but my experience is that current students do not know what they need at this point.  They tend to go with what they know or are familiar with as opposed to the skills they do not yet know they need.

     

    Diane

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Bryant
    Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:58 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: student members on curriculum committees

     

    My suggestion would be to add recent alumni/ae (1-5 years post-grad) to the committee, not current students, and to invite current students to participate in curriculum reviews and new program proposals.  Most current students are there to learn, not to teach, and are paying for our guided wisdom, not expecting (or qualified) to be providing the guidance.  (That said, it is always good to listen to incoming students about their aspirations and expectations...)  Alumni/ae -- especially MBAs and EMBAs -- have much to say about the relevance of a curriculum for their professional lives, and that's a perspective that faculty generally do not have.  And it affects the employability of our graduates.  Another option might be HR professionals, especially alums doing recruiting, working for employers of a school's grads.  

     

    Best,

    Tom.

      

    Thomas A. Bryant, Ph.D.

    Trustee / Visiting Professor of Social Entrepreneurship, Newark School of Theology

    Entrepreneur-in-Residence, Enterprise Development Center, New Jersey Institute of Technology

     

    For a different approach to valuing the work of entrepreneurs, SEE: Valuing the Closely Held Firm by Mike Long and Tom Bryant

     

    On May 26, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Liang Neng wrote:



    Dear colleagues,
    We are considering to add some student members to our curriculum committee (currently all faculty), but are not sure of its full implications. On the positive side, it ensures students feedback and advise on curriculum issues; on the down side, we are concerned that it may have unintended consequences. I understand that Wharton does not have student members, but Kellogg and Duke do. I will appreciate comments/feedback on this issue, especially from those whose schools do have students members on curriculum committee. Thank you very much in advance.
    Neng Liang, Associate Dean and EMBA Director, Professor of Management,
    China Europe International Business School (CEIBS)
    liangneng@ceibs.edu
    8621-28905229; f: 8621-28905108.

     



  • 3.  student members on curriculum committees

    Posted 05-27-2009 09:37
    Hi
    We tried three components for a review
    Faculty/industry top and middle management/ alumini ( 3 years and above)/
    current students - in a workshop mode at MDI, India to review curriculum.
    Kind regards
    Jyotsna

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bengt Kjellén
    Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:38 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: SV: student members on curriculum committees

    i sat as a student representative on the equivalent of a curriculum
    committee at the gothenburg university of technogy some 40 years ago and i
    was not impressed by the industry representatives. they "tended to go with
    what they knew or were
    familiar with as opposed to the skills they did not yet know they needed".
    my experience since then of outside representation has not been radically
    different. (there are exceptions to this, of course.)

    in sweden, student representation on curriculum boards, department boards
    and the like is a matter of course, with no unintended consequences and
    often thoughtful and valuable contributions. the main problem these days is
    that sometimes, with increasing pressure on students, it is hard to fill all
    the places.

    regards/bengt

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    Assistant Professor
    School of Business
    Stockholm University
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    Ämne: Re: student members on curriculum committees

    I agree with Tom, wholeheartedly. We need to gather information from alums
    and hiring managers but my experience is that current students do not know
    what they need at this point. They tend to go with what they know or are
    familiar with as opposed to the skills they do not yet know they need.



    Diane



    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Bryant
    Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:58 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: student members on curriculum committees



    My suggestion would be to add recent alumni/ae (1-5 years post-grad) to the
    committee, not current students, and to invite current students to
    participate in curriculum reviews and new program proposals. Most current
    students are there to learn, not to teach, and are paying for our guided
    wisdom, not expecting (or qualified) to be providing the guidance. (That
    said, it is always good to listen to incoming students about their
    aspirations and expectations...) Alumni/ae -- especially MBAs and EMBAs --
    have much to say about the relevance of a curriculum for their professional
    lives, and that's a perspective that faculty generally do not have. And it
    affects the employability of our graduates. Another option might be HR
    professionals, especially alums doing recruiting, working for employers of a
    school's grads.



    Best,

    Tom.



    Thomas A. Bryant, Ph.D.

    Trustee / Visiting Professor of Social Entrepreneurship, Newark School of
    Theology

    Entrepreneur-in-Residence, Enterprise Development Center, New Jersey
    Institute of Technology

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/tombryant2008



    For a different approach to valuing the work of entrepreneurs, SEE: Valuing
    the Closely Held Firm by Mike Long and Tom Bryant

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    On May 26, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Liang Neng wrote:





    Dear colleagues,
    We are considering to add some student members to our curriculum committee
    (currently all faculty), but are not sure of its full implications. On the
    positive side, it ensures students feedback and advise on curriculum issues;
    on the down side, we are concerned that it may have unintended consequences.
    I understand that Wharton does not have student members, but Kellogg and
    Duke do. I will appreciate comments/feedback on this issue, especially from
    those whose schools do have students members on curriculum committee. Thank
    you very much in advance.
    Neng Liang, Associate Dean and EMBA Director, Professor of Management,
    China Europe International Business School (CEIBS)
    liangneng@ceibs.edu
    8621-28905229; f: 8621-28905108.