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Barbara (and others on the list),
Thank you for your kind comments.
Of course, use of the word imperialism was the writer's, not mine. I
admit the piece conveyed an erroneous presumption that medical care in some of
the nations cited as exemplars was equal to that of the U.S., which it is
not, I can attest from firsthand as well as other anecdotal experience. But
there was little in it I would call a diatribe. It just enumerated facts in a
spirit of criticism of corporate as well as governmental positions. It invokes
a parallel to the military-industrial complex of which President Eisenhower
warned, in this case, a trade representative-pharmaceutical manufacturers
coupling. I thought management trainers would want to know some of the facts;
so they can caution their trainees when they deal with the ethics of management
decision-making.
Leon Levitt

Barbara J. Chan wrote:

> Leon and others on this list: I read Jack Ring's message to MG-DV-ED and
> want you to know I, for one, thank you for posting the message. I
> circulated it among my own network of management consultants, facilitors,
> other professionals and my clients, who want policies that benefit humanity
> (and the earth).
>
> I have observed that language can soothe, inform and inflame readers and
> listeners. I myself experienced some strong reactions from others when I,
> not knowing netiquette, typed and posted a response in all capital letters.
> I would like to suggest that writers choose language carefully when trying
> to inform and inspire others to take action. Specifically, the word
> "Imperialism" evokes intense emotion in some readers. It has been used in
> various historical contexts where people took positions on opposite sides
> of a line, unable to see the common concerns through their emotional upsets.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Barbara
>
> Re:
> > 1. Alleged US Drug Imperialism<
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> Barbara J. Chan
> Co-Active Coach, Consultant & Facilitator
> Working holistically with clients to balance spirit, creativity, community,
> cultural diversity and environmental stewardship with economic
> sustainability.
>
> 510-233-0580
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> "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
> miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." - Albert Einstein
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Dear Willie,
I don't know whether you meant the entire list to get your comments to
Barbara, but we did. I don't know how you found your way onto the list,
but it's great that you're here. Please bear with a few comments from me.
I don't know how old you are, but I'll bet I'm as old or older than
you. Worse luck, I also have all the education that you apparently were
denied -- though I came from an immigrant working class family. In spite of
my education, I have had lots of experience and hard knocks in the "real
world. However, even if I had not, life in the academic world is in fact
no bed of roses. "Professors" are wage slaves like everyone else except the
owners. Faculty do tend to delude themselves into thinking they are somehow
of a different order of people, but they are not. We fall into the "service
occupations" category, and we serve at the pleasure of a host of
stakeholders. If one gets tenure, that's something of a protection against
managerial whims, but no guarantee. And do you know how hard it is,
first, to get a tenure-track position, then to get tenure after seven
years, usually, of demeaning obsequiousness? If denied tenure, one is out
of a job and probably cast into the adjunct (read "temp slave") category
somewhere, likely never to get a tenured position. I have been fortunate
never to have been denied tenure; but I have tried to help some who have
been thus insulted to weather the psychological and practical damage they
experienced. I was not always successful.
Moreover, academic types are also consumers of all the usual products
and services, including pharmatceuticals and health care. So the concerns
are, at one and the same time, academic, political, and practical.
Keep on contributing to the list. You are needed.
Best wishes.
Leon

ON Sun, 21 Jun 1998 Simon Priest wrote RE: MANAGERIAL Competencies?
>
>I've noticed several attempts to define competency and to list competencies
>for trainers or facilitators on these lists I subscribe to (apologies for
>multiple postings you may receive). I am interested in listing MANAGERIAL
>Competencies.
>
>A few years back I undertook a research study that identified 56 core and
>generic competencies for MANAGERS in a specific corporation. I would be
>happy to share the outcomes of this study in exchange for your
>contributions to enlarging my list of 56 for future studies I will be
>conducting.
>
>What are some competencies that any and all corporate managers should have?
>I'm not interested in competencies that are specific to particular company
>roles. Thanks (in anticipation) for you responses! I will share/post the
>final list.
>
Simon,
An intriguing idea. I'll try to contribute. But could we first agree to
seek fewer than 56 instead of enlarging the list?

Jack Ring
Innovation Management
sendmail: jring@amug.org

Leon and others on this list: I read Jack Ring's message to MG-DV-ED and
want you to know I, for one, thank you for posting the message. I
circulated it among my own network of management consultants, facilitors,
other professionals and my clients, who want policies that benefit humanity
(and the earth).

I have observed that language can soothe, inform and inflame readers and
listeners. I myself experienced some strong reactions from others when I,
not knowing netiquette, typed and posted a response in all capital letters.
I would like to suggest that writers choose language carefully when trying
to inform and inspire others to take action. Specifically, the word
"Imperialism" evokes intense emotion in some readers. It has been used in
various historical contexts where people took positions on opposite sides
of a line, unable to see the common concerns through their emotional upsets.

Thank you,

Barbara

Re:
> 1. Alleged US Drug Imperialism<

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Barbara J. Chan
Co-Active Coach, Consultant & Facilitator
Working holistically with clients to balance spirit, creativity, community,
cultural diversity and environmental stewardship with economic
sustainability.

510-233-0580

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a
miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." - Albert Einstein

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Barbara
I read his post also and I may not have all the degrees in the world and
some of old people do not but I deal with people from all walks of life
everyday and this is far from being correct in all aspects of what you
are looking for but you have to remember some sometimes a person that has
walked the road knows more than the ones that know what came out of
books... This is what bugs me every job in the USA now you have to have a
masters BS or a half dozen other letters behind your name before any body
will even talk to you .
What happen to the people that have a degree in people that does not
come out of books and how do you deal with them ?
I know that when dealing with people you need a special way of doing
things and all that paper work can mess with a persons mind but if any
body in ther mind stops and reads it it is easy and it does not take a
Rocket Scienctist to figure it out until you want some young kid to tell
you sorry you don't have it right and you have gotten it done to fit the
person and not the big shots and there is where all the problems come
from the large Companys want the young hot shots to do the job and they
can pay them the big bucks and the old people suffer because they look at
people first and paper work second.

my home page::http://home.talkcity.com/GardenWay/grandpa
None is so deaf is he that can not hear
willie.1321.turtle@juno.com
We can make a difference

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