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Problem Solving

  • 1.  Problem Solving

    Posted 08-05-1998 04:30
    Dear List,

    I came into this discussion late. I hope I am not being
    redundant.

    We are an automotive manufacturing environment and rely heavily on
    Corrective Action problem solving. I have been working with teams
    on problem solving for at least 10 years and have come to some
    conclusions based on observation.

    There are two concepts that I think underline the foundation of
    problem solving = (1) is a theory of Einsteins that "no problem
    can be solved by the same consciousness that created it"; and
    another theory (2).. (I do not know who to credit for this) that
    "Everything is a process within a system. A process cannot work in
    a systems that does not support it."

    (1) I have found that a large majority of problems were
    anticipated in the design stage...i.e. = I hear engineers say,
    "Wow this will be hard to manufacture"..yet, they still release
    the process to production and 'lo and behold' it is hard to
    manufacture, resulting in defective product and requiring
    corrective action. - This amazes me. We knowing go into a process
    anticipating problems and when the problem does occur we [pretend]
    to be baffled.

    I have also found that in the planning stage - most teams do the
    easy part of planning. In other words they plan the big 80% and
    call it done! - THe last 20% they assume will take care of itself.
    Unfortunately the first 80 % anyone one with some level of
    reasoning ability could have planned. The last 20% is mostly the
    anticipation and planning for training, coordination, timeline,
    implementation steps, skill assesment, and last but not at all
    least - what is the plan when the plan fails.

    When most teams plan the first 80 they sigh a sigh of relief and
    call it a plan - the last 80% they don't want to address...their
    reasoning is that it is getting too detailed, or that it should be
    obvious, or requires common sense. An oversimplified version of
    the 80% I see being planned is the WHO< WHAT< WHERE<and WHEN.
    The last 20 is usually HOW and WHY.

    I agree that a solution to a problem is a process of asking all
    the right questions - to change the consciousness. New
    information should change the consciousness of those who
    originally created the problem. Planners seldom realize that the
    problem is not a GIVEN...the problem is something that THEY
    CREATED. For most plans that fail - I require the planning team
    to review the process after implementation and discover both what
    worked and what failed. Once they realize that the last 20% will
    be addressed and the burdon will still be on them - the hope is
    that they will chose to work on the 20% up front and not down
    stream where it is more difficult to repair and the cost/loss is
    more significant.

    A problem solving process should be a process of collecting data
    and information...supporting another of Einsteins quotes:"Finding
    the solution to a problem is a series of asking the right
    questions." This has proven itself over and over. I encourage
    teams to ask, ask, ask...and collect data. Once the process of
    asking questions 'discovers' the solution, we are done. I
    discourage teams from throwing out corrections and solutions not
    discovered through the questioning process - because a correction
    or solution found, but not through questions - was not arrived at
    through a new level of 'consciousness' and therefore not
    supportive of a correction.

    (2) Everything is a process within a system. I have found that
    all problems need to be corrected at two levels- within the
    process itself and within the system that is intended to support
    it. I think that the second biggest issue with problem solving is
    that systems issues are not addressed.

    One way to explain the difference between a process and a system:
    If the car is a process - the road [and all of the rules
    associated] is the system. SO, you can take the 5M's Man,
    Machine, Material, Method, Measurements and apply it to the
    automobile - Man is the driver, machine is the car, method is the
    drivers training, material is gas/oil, and measurement is the
    odometer, gas gauge,etc. - and have all of those working and in
    fine form and still have a process failure if you put that process
    into a system that doesn't support it...i.e. the OCEAN.

    Drop a car in the ocean and I don't care how well trained the
    driver is, how well tuned the car is, how high quality the gas and
    oil is...it plum won't work.

    No matter what process you design and no matter how well...if you
    don't look at your system that the process will be encased
    in...you have not done all of the planning.

    Biggest mistakes I have seen in my experience regarding good
    process plans and poor systems -

    Putting a process in place that requires training - in an
    organization where training is not valued, planned or executed
    well.

    Putting processes in place that require extensive communication in
    a system where people dislike and mistrust each other.

    Putting processes in place that are specific to the behavior of
    one shift - when the system has each shift behaving with
    completely different sets of rules.

    And last but not least - putting processes in place that disrupt
    or go against other processes that have opposing goals...i.e.
    putting a quality process in place that stops the shipment of
    defective material within a manufacturing system that values
    'getting it on the truck' as the highest priority.

    Thanks for letting me sound off.

    Rick Corcoran
    corcoranre@excelinc.com


  • 2.  Problem Solving

    Posted 08-05-1998 18:02
    Hello colleagues -

    I too had not entered this thread, but Rick Corcoran's response
    got me. Generally, couldn't agree more. But it brought up memories of
    the 25 years I spent in the real world, before I figured what I wanted to
    do when I grew up. Being in the Academy is better than working for a
    living. :-)

    A good deal of that time was spent studying problems & challenges
    involving production machinery and related equipment. A number of these
    opportunities involved a situation that others had attempted to solve, but
    had not done so - sometimes wasting large sums of money. In many of these
    situation I found that the previous solution was a good solution to the
    perceived problem, as articulated by a manager. But it wasn't a solution
    to the actual problem. That was found by going into the shop and talking
    with the people who were directly involved with the existing situation
    -asking what was actually happening - asking their ideas for a solution -
    etc.

    This checking provided the data to check any proposed solution -
    including my own - against. Where I was free to follow the data (to use
    the academic jargon), there were no such failures. Unfortunately, in some
    situations the solution was dictated from above, and some of those did
    fail - some magnificently!

    Nothing here that anyone can't do - but it's surprising how many fail to
    follow the method!

    Tim Edlund, Morgan State Unviersity


  • 3.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 08:42
    Problem solving is a topic and a skill that runs through many settings,
    disciplines, professions and occupations. In a word it is "pervasive."

    Oddly enough, when I searched Yahoo groups for a discussion list devoted to
    problem solving, I couldn't find one (except for an approach called "image
    streaming").

    So, I've set up a Yahoo groups list where people can discuss approaches,
    methods, tools and techniques for solving various kinds of problems but
    particularly those we encounter in the workplace. My hope is that we can
    all learn from one another and sharpen our individual problem solving skills
    and abilities.

    To subscribe, send an email to problem-solving-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

    And so, for this month's featured article on my web site, I've posted
    "Reengineering the Problem Solving Process," a paper I published in ISPI's
    Performance Improvement Quarterly. As always, it's free and you can access
    it simply by going to www.nickols.us and clicking on the link to the
    article.

    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    "Assistance at a Distance"
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us


  • 4.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 12:26
    HI, Fred

    I applaud your effort to start a problem solving discussion list.

    Are you thinking that the topics will be devoted solely to issues related to problems or would you like to see it expand to decision making in a more general sense?

    Erwin (Rausch)


  • 5.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 13:49
    FWIW I would like to see it explore decision making as well.  However, I suggest that decision making is a less general topic than is problem solving.
    cheers,
    Jack Ring
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:25 AM
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving

    HI, Fred

    I applaud your effort to start a problem solving discussion list.

    Are you thinking that the topics will be devoted solely to issues related to problems or would you like to see it expand to decision making in a more general sense?

    Erwin (Rausch)


  • 6.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 14:08
    Problem solving is integrally and crucially related to problem defining or Situation defining. That opens up a whole array of issues such as the base of information for the situation, the interpretation if the information, the prioritization of the issues within the situation, the values, agendas, and perspectives of the participants. And who comes to the conversation and to what standards are those party to the conversation and the conversation itself held?
    Tom Hawk, Frostburg State University.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion on behalf of Jack Ring
    Sent: Tue 11/1/2005 1:48 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving

    FWIW I would like to see it explore decision making as well. However, I suggest that decision making is a less general topic than is problem solving.
    cheers,
    Jack Ring
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Erwin Rausch
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:25 AM
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving


    HI, Fred

    I applaud your effort to start a problem solving discussion list.

    Are you thinking that the topics will be devoted solely to issues related to problems or would you like to see it expand to decision making in a more general sense?

    Erwin (Rausch)


  • 7.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 14:31
    Some years ago, I tried to start a group focused on methods of problem
    solving. I quickly learned that the scope of the methods need to be
    established, e.g., to problem solving by individuals or by small groups or
    by organizations, because the methods vary greatly depending on the scope.

    I also learned that decision-making is part of problem solving and can't be
    separated -- the problems are clarified, understood and solved by making a
    variety of decisions along the way.

    Typically, information about problem solving is scoped to methods that an
    individual would use.

    It's also interesting to note the affect that movements, such as
    Appreciative Inquiry, have on "problem solving" -- movements that suggest
    that "problems" are social constructs that can best be addressed first by
    not looking at them as "problems."

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Thomas Hawk" <THawk@FROSTBURG.EDU>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:07 PM
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving


    Problem solving is integrally and crucially related to problem defining or
    Situation defining. That opens up a whole array of issues such as the base
    of information for the situation, the interpretation if the information, the
    prioritization of the issues within the situation, the values, agendas, and
    perspectives of the participants. And who comes to the conversation and to
    what standards are those party to the conversation and the conversation
    itself held?
    Tom Hawk, Frostburg State University.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion on behalf of Jack Ring
    Sent: Tue 11/1/2005 1:48 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving

    FWIW I would like to see it explore decision making as well. However, I
    suggest that decision making is a less general topic than is problem
    solving.
    cheers,
    Jack Ring
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Erwin Rausch
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:25 AM
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving


    HI, Fred

    I applaud your effort to start a problem solving discussion list.

    Are you thinking that the topics will be devoted solely to issues related
    to problems or would you like to see it expand to decision making in a more
    general sense?

    Erwin (Rausch)


  • 8.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 15:43
    In a message dated 11/1/2005 2:00:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jring@AMUG.ORG writes:


    FWIW I would like to see it explore decision making as well.  However, I suggest that decision making is a less general topic than is problem solving.

    cheers,
    Jack Ring


    Jack

    As much as I respect your opinions, on this issue I have to disagree.  To me, problem solving is just one form of decision making - others pertain to projects and opportunities.

    Erwin (Rausch)


  • 9.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 17:48
    Colleagues,
     
    One of you mentioned the importance of stating the problem.
     
    I'm working with a government agency required to do "technology transfer" from their research labs.  A problem requiring strategy (a form of problem solving) and implementation (based on decisions).
     
    They chose to call their technology transfer "research to practice."  That language opened up a new view on technology transfer.  In particular, it suggested the presence of "practitioners" at the end of a "path to practice." 
     
    As we speak, I'm reinventing technology transfer based on a choice of words.  Agency management had no idea of the impact of their choice.  I certainly would not have seen the problem through a new paradigm without the trigger of those words.
     
    Sometimes, the solution depends on shifting perspectives.  I'd love to be able to do that on a regular basis. 
     
    Best,
     
    Gary
     
     

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Erwin Rausch
    Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:43 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving

    In a message dated 11/1/2005 2:00:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jring@AMUG.ORG writes:


    FWIW I would like to see it explore decision making as well.  However, I suggest that decision making is a less general topic than is problem solving.

    cheers,
    Jack Ring


    Jack

    As much as I respect your opinions, on this issue I have to disagree.  To me, problem solving is just one form of decision making - others pertain to projects and opportunities.

    Erwin (Rausch)


  • 10.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-01-2005 19:24
    I suggest we pursue this topic on Fred Nichol's Yahoo list unless Charlie wants it treated here.
     
    Meanwhile, let's be clear on claims. 
    I claim, in the ontological sense, that on the continuum from specific to general decision making lies to the specific side of problem solving. 
    My reasoning is that problem solving entails decision making whereas decision making does not necessarily involve any problem solving. 
    It seems to me that your view agrees with the latter part of my view. However, you do not address how problem solving gets done sans decision making.
     
    cheers,
    Jack.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:42 PM
    Subject: Re: Problem Solving

    In a message dated 11/1/2005 2:00:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, jring@AMUG.ORG writes:


    FWIW I would like to see it explore decision making as well.  However, I suggest that decision making is a less general topic than is problem solving.

    cheers,
    Jack Ring


    Jack

    As much as I respect your opinions, on this issue I have to disagree.  To me, problem solving is just one form of decision making - others pertain to projects and opportunities.

    Erwin (Rausch)


  • 11.  Problem Solving

    Posted 11-02-2005 01:10
    One minor piece of mechanics, if you will. Could you arrange for the
    header of each posting to include [prob_solv] or something that would
    ID it as coming from this discussion group? That way I can
    automatically file it into my system. Helps keep track of a lot :)

    And yes, I'm listening to the nascent discussion closely.

    Jay

    On Nov 1, 2005, at 7:41 AM, Fred Nickols wrote:

    > Problem solving is a topic and a skill that runs through many
    > settings,
    > disciplines, professions and occupations. In a word it is
    > "pervasive."
    >
    > Oddly enough, when I searched Yahoo groups for a discussion list
    > devoted to
    > problem solving, I couldn't find one (except for an approach called
    > "image
    > streaming").
    >
    > So, I've set up a Yahoo groups list where people can discuss
    > approaches,
    > methods, tools and techniques for solving various kinds of problems
    > but
    > particularly those we encounter in the workplace. My hope is that
    > we can
    > all learn from one another and sharpen our individual problem
    > solving skills
    > and abilities.
    >
    > To subscribe, send an email to problem-solving-
    > subscribe@yahoogroups.com
    >
    > And so, for this month's featured article on my web site, I've posted
    > "Reengineering the Problem Solving Process," a paper I published in
    > ISPI's
    > Performance Improvement Quarterly. As always, it's free and you
    > can access
    > it simply by going to www.nickols.us and clicking on the link to the
    > article.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Fred Nickols
    > "Assistance at a Distance"
    > nickols@att.net
    > www.nickols.us
    >
    >

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