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Dear Colleagues

I am on a committee charged with redesigning our MBA program. Our first task
is to do a benchmark study of the best MBA programs. I would be very
interested in hearing from you about what you consider to be the best
programs, and (more importantly) why you think they are good.

Sincerely,

- Don
--
Don McCormick, Ph.D., Associate Professor
School of Business
University of Redlands
1200 E. Colton Avenue
Redlands, CA 92373-0999
(909) 748-6249 don_mccormick@redlands.edu
http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick

Don,

Definitely take a look at the Duxx MBL program. ( www.duxx.mx )

We need Business Leaders who know how to make a sustainable business work.
Administrator that know how to exploit a business opportunity but don't
care which business opportunities are worth developing can lead to lower
standards of living. Creating wealth needs to be balanced, sustainable and
desirable.

Cordially,

Esteban Treviño





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10/08/2001 10:51:42 AM

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Dear Colleagues

I am on a committee charged with redesigning our MBA program. Our first
task
is to do a benchmark study of the best MBA programs. I would be very
interested in hearing from you about what you consider to be the best
programs, and (more importantly) why you think they are good.

Sincerely,

- Don
--
Don McCormick, Ph.D., Associate Professor
School of Business
University of Redlands
1200 E. Colton Avenue
Redlands, CA 92373-0999
(909) 748-6249 don_mccormick@redlands.edu
http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick

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Just a suggestion: THINK OUT OF THE BOX! Most of the
programs are still in a box. I have taught in several
programs, and find the courses, the texts, even the
structure of the curriculum too "boxy." I am not sure
I can articulate more constructive suggestions, but I
will try later.

All the hype about globalism just has not penetrated
these curricula. Organizational structures need to
change and change drastically and rapidly. Education
is not known for rapid change.

Edryce

--- Don McCormick <don_mccormick@redlands.edu> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues
>
> I am on a committee charged with redesigning our MBA
> program. Our first task
> is to do a benchmark study of the best MBA programs.
> I would be very
> interested in hearing from you about what you
> consider to be the best
> programs, and (more importantly) why you think they
> are good.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> - Don
> --
> Don McCormick, Ph.D., Associate Professor
> School of Business
> University of Redlands
> 1200 E. Colton Avenue
> Redlands, CA 92373-0999
> (909) 748-6249 don_mccormick@redlands.edu
> http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick
>
> --


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From: Iris Robertson, E, SE Glasgow <Iris.Robertson@scotent.co.uk>

Hi Don - I think it has to be redesigned to address the new gobal economy
which we are experiencing at this moment in time - as most organisations
will downsize and rationalise.
In that we will have a lot of shared services throughout the world and our
citizens buying on the Internet therefore distribution will be the focus.
With most of the administration being done with new technologies and we need
to focus on Customer Service as well as maintaining the administration of
products.

Regards Iris
Iris.Robertson@scotent.co.uk
Scottish Enterprise Network
http://www.scottish-enterprise.com

From: yang zhou [mailto:azimaouk@yahoo.co.uk]

First of all, I'd like to suggest you to think about
who are your future MBA learners, i.e., what's your
market? The curriculum for fresh graduates and for
those with work experience should be different. If you
are going to take people with at least 3 years'
experience, you may need add more flavour of practice.
Also, are you going to make the course 1 year or 2
years?

--- Don McCormick <don_mccormick@redlands.edu> wrote:

> I am on a committee charged with redesigning our MBA
> program. Our first task
> is to do a benchmark study of the best MBA programs.
> I would be very
> interested in hearing from you about what you
> consider to be the best
> programs, and (more importantly) why you think they
> are good.
> Sincerely,
> Don McCormick
> University of Redlands

At 5:42 AM -0400 10/9/01, Charles Wankel wrote:
>From: yang zhou [mailto:azimaouk@yahoo.co.uk]
>
>First of all, I'd like to suggest you to think about
>who are your future MBA learners, i.e., what's your
>market? The curriculum for fresh graduates and for
>those with work experience should be different. If you
>are going to take people with at least 3 years'
>experience, you may need add more flavour of practice.
>Also, are you going to make the course 1 year or 2
>years?

We will get to those questions soon. Right now I am interested in
seeing what programs other people regard as good and how they have
come to that conclusion. It sounds like market focus is one of your
criteria for a good program.

You point out the difference between a program that targets fresh
graduates and students with at least three years experience. Do you
know of an MBA program that you believe does a good job of serving
either market? If so, what is it about that program that leads you to
that conclusion?

Similarly, do you know of a program that you think does a good job in
one year or in two years?

Sincerely

Don


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Associate Professor
School of Business
University of Redlands
1200 E. Colton Avenue
Redlands, CA 92373-0999
(909) 748-6249 don_mccormick@redlands.edu
http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick

Well, I used to be an MBA myself, and am a Lecturer in
business school now. As I am based in the UK, I know
about UK MBA programmes more than US'. Most good
business schools in the UK require work experience,
say, 2~5 years or so, and do 1 year MBA courses. Of
course the best one is London Business School which
has 2 year course with emphasis on both theoretic and
practical sides. UMIST has 18 months MBA course which
is also good. The rest 1 year course either case study
based (for people with 3yrs experience) or more
conventional for everybody. It's difficult for
learners on 1 year programme to have internship or
this kind of practical activities.

You may already know that the educational sector in
the UK is kind of industry and most post-graduates are
from overseas, such as Asia, Europe, Africa, etc.
Their may purpose is to get a UK qualification. They
are the 'cash cow' to business schools as they pay a
lot more than home students and just take what you
offer. If your market is different, say, mainly middle
mangers in the US, they could be more critical. Also,
the use of language could be different, I mean, people
from industry don't like too academic approach.

The number of students can make difference, too. I
know some UK business schools recruit some hundreds
MBAs and it's impossible for them to receive
individual attention. Library resource can be another
problem. I think there shouldn't be more than 50
students for normal lecture based course and no more
than 20 learners for online course.



--- Don McCormick <don_mccormick@redlands.edu> wrote:
> At 5:42 AM -0400 10/9/01, Charles Wankel wrote:
> >From: yang zhou [mailto:azimaouk@yahoo.co.uk]
> >
> >First of all, I'd like to suggest you to think
> about
> >who are your future MBA learners, i.e., what's your
> >market? The curriculum for fresh graduates and for
> >those with work experience should be different. If
> you
> >are going to take people with at least 3 years'
> >experience, you may need add more flavour of
> practice.
> >Also, are you going to make the course 1 year or 2
> >years?
>
> We will get to those questions soon. Right now I am
> interested in
> seeing what programs other people regard as good and
> how they have
> come to that conclusion. It sounds like market focus
> is one of your
> criteria for a good program.
>
> You point out the difference between a program that
> targets fresh
> graduates and students with at least three years
> experience. Do you
> know of an MBA program that you believe does a good
> job of serving
> either market? If so, what is it about that program
> that leads you to
> that conclusion?
>
> Similarly, do you know of a program that you think
> does a good job in
> one year or in two years?
>
> Sincerely
>
> Don
>
>
> --
> Don McCormick, Ph.D
> Associate Professor
> School of Business
> University of Redlands
> 1200 E. Colton Avenue
> Redlands, CA 92373-0999
> (909) 748-6249 don_mccormick@redlands.edu
> http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick

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From: Iris Robertson, E, SE Glasgow
[mailto:Iris.Robertson@scotent.co.uk]

I think Yang Zhou's ideas are good.
What do you think of this also in addition :
What about including it with the Skills Agenda - which
basically is targeting everyone (even the inclusion groups)
which will have to go through the cycle of training for life skills
employability skills etc etc..
As an enabler - we can give our citizens both young and old
the chance to compete in employment world-wide as I reckon everyone will
have a portfolio of employment and certification and not a curriculum vita -
and maybe - change the name to a working degree.
We have always been recognised for centuries as being good
at education in the global society why not continue with this.
Regards Iris

From: David Lamond [mailto:david.lamond@gsm.mq.edu.au]

Hi folks,

Thanks to Don for sending us off on such a fruitful discussion.

Don highlights the problem of benchmarking immediately when he asks what we
think is best and why - best for whom? Increasingly we are being encouraged
(if that's not too soft a word) to be more focused on meeting the needs of
employers through our students. Perhaps one of the reasons why we are still
too 'boxy' as Edryce suggests is because that's the kind of thinking that
got many of the employers where they are and they want to see more of the
same, albeit with different ('new and improved') content.

Steven Covey reminds us to 'Start with the end in mind'. At the sake of
sounding gratuitous Don, your School needs to start with the outcome they
want to achieve - what sort of graduates do you want to produce. That will
give you a basis for choosing between the myriad approaches that are now
available.

Best regards,

David

Dr David Lamond
Professor of Human Resource Management & Organisational Behaviour
Swinburne University of Technology
AUSTRALIA

At 6:40 AM -0400 10/9/01, Charles Wankel wrote:
>From: David Lamond [mailto:david.lamond@gsm.mq.edu.au]
>
>Hi folks,
>
>Thanks to Don for sending us off on such a fruitful discussion.
>
>Don highlights the problem of benchmarking immediately when he asks what we
>think is best and why - best for whom? Increasingly we are being encouraged
>(if that's not too soft a word) to be more focused on meeting the needs of
>employers through our students. Perhaps one of the reasons why we are still
>too 'boxy' as Edryce suggests is because that's the kind of thinking that
>got many of the employers where they are and they want to see more of the
>same, albeit with different ('new and improved') content.
>
>Steven Covey reminds us to 'Start with the end in mind'. At the sake of
>sounding gratuitous Don, your School needs to start with the outcome they
>want to achieve - what sort of graduates do you want to produce. That will
>give you a basis for choosing between the myriad approaches that are now
>available.

It sounds like schools that starting with the end in mind is one of
your criteria for a good program. Do you know of an MBA program that
you think highly of that did this? If so, could you say a bit more
about it?

Sincerely

Don

From: Roger Scott [mailto:r.scott@qut.edu.au]

Of the Australian programmes with which I am familiar, (and a long time
ago I did a review of all programs for the Australian national
government) Monash University is currently the best because it provides
full recognition to the special characteristics of the public sector and
also accepts that political science is a key discipline. Neither of these
tend to be characteristic of MBA's generally, which presume that all that
the public sector has to do is learn from the superior practices of the
private sector and is not worth studying in its own right.

Roger Scott
r.scott@qut.edu.au

----------------
>I am on a committee charged with redesigning our MBA program. Our first
task
>is to do a benchmark study of the best MBA programs. I would be very
>interested in hearing from you about what you consider to be the best
>programs, and (more importantly) why you think they are good.
>
>Sincerely,
>Don McCormick,
>University of Redlands
>http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick

Dear Don:

I am on a committee charged with the development of an MBA with an
emphasis on Business Psychology. We have just started our work and we
look for cooperation partners since we would like to make it an
international program. Would you be interested? Would you be so kind as
to share your benchmark information with us?

Thank you very much in advance

Juergen

P.S.: I attach a paper with info on our current program!



Don McCormick schrieb:
>
> Dear Colleagues
>
> I am on a committee charged with redesigning our MBA program. Our first task
> is to do a benchmark study of the best MBA programs. I would be very
> interested in hearing from you about what you consider to be the best
> programs, and (more importantly) why you think they are good.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> - Don
> --
> Don McCormick, Ph.D., Associate Professor
> School of Business
> University of Redlands
> 1200 E. Colton Avenue
> Redlands, CA 92373-0999
> (909) 748-6249 don_mccormick@redlands.edu
> http://newton.uor.edu/FacultyFolder/DMcCormick
>
> --

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From: Sandra Gill <PMRINC@aol.com>

I, too, am charged with examining our MBA programs. While AACSB and other
accrediting bodies can provide me "peer group" data, the "softer" qualities
of fine MBA programs seems very difficult to locate. I would appreciate
directions and resources you have found helpful.

Sandra L. Gill, Ph. D.
Chair, MBA Programs
pmrinc@aol.com
http://www.ben.edu/faculty/sgill/

From: M. Atilla Oner [mailto:oner@boun.edu.tr]

Dear J�rgen,

I would cooperate with your program in "comparative studies" in which I
could involve Turkish companies in the research to be started as part of
your programme in Germany.

Greetings,
Atilla

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From: Deon Binneman [mailto:deonbin@icon.co.za]

How much has reputation got to do with it?

Reputation when you get benchmarked and scored by a prominent journal,
when one student speaks to another, when your experts appear on the TV?

To what extent is "Good MBA programs" a result of building, sustaining
and protecting a reputation? Please note I did not say PR - PR is only a
part of this process.

Globally the management of corporate reputation has become a priority
item on many progressive companies' agenda lists. Why? Todays
enlightened companies have come to realise that reputation is an asset
that needs to be managed, proactively. These companies have realised
that the scrutiny under which business operates today, and the amount of
information in the hands of consumers and other publics, make reputation
a vital asset, and in some industries the most important.

Important decisions by stakeholders are invariably based on trust. Good
reputations are built on good actions and policies that earn stakeholder
trust. Before there is any communications, there must be reputation
substance. Examine your own role as a stakeholder with other
organizations and you will realize that trust is at the core of your
product choices. We buy what we trust. And when you invest in a share,
you buy what you trust.

So good universities are highly regarded not only because of its
education opportunity but also because of their reputation to deliver on
their promises - to deliver students who are able to think critically
and innovatively, not according to canned models.

I believe that MOST businesses operate without sufficient concern about
managing their most important and most fragile of assets - their
reputation.

What do you think?

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