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On 1 Dec 98 at 11:54, Rhonda Reger wrote:


> Therefore, having been warned that the AoM/IAoM is humor impaired,
> certainly that is a joke I will never tell again.

Thank you very much for not telling that joke again, because if you
had not not told that joke not again, then I wouldn't have known
about it...please continue to not post similar jokes so I can learn
about them.

PS. You should see the note "I" got. Something about working the rest
of my life for them....

On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, David Miron wrote:

> This sounds like a competition. Please advise those of us who are new to
> these circles. What is going on?

"What is going on?" is a beautiful way to put it. I lectured last night
on occupational and organizational culture, and the week before that on
politics, and I expect these are some of the perspectives that would begin
to answer your questions.

I don't think this organization should be referred to as the so-called
AoM/IAoM. I believe they established their name it in about 1975 when the
Academy was a much smaller operation and there might not have been as much
potential for confusion (but I wasn't there and don't know). I say "they"
because I attend Academy of Management meetings, not Association of
Management (AoM/IAoM) meetings. However, I attended one of their meetings
when it was in my neighborhood, and it was a legitimate professional
meeting. I also liked the people I met there. I do wish "AoM/IAoM" would
switch to "IAoM" but they haven't asked my opinion. You did.

John

=========================================================
John L. Michela, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
University of Waterloo (519) 888-4567 x2164
200 University Ave, W.
Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 (519) 746-8631 (fax)
Canada

jmichela@uwaterloo.ca
http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~jmichela/
=========================================================

A similar discussion arose awhile back on another Academy of Management
listserv. As I recall, it was also at the end of the semester and I was in
a similar frame of mind. I suggested that to end the confusion, we should
call the Association of Management the "Ass of Man" and the Academy of
Management the "Ace of Man." The leaders of the Association of Management
were not amused. They sent me a rather stern warning suggesting that AoM
was a registered mark of the Association of Management and further
suggested that they would forgive me because "young people" often made this
mistake.

Therefore, having been warned that the AoM/IAoM is humor impaired,
certainly that is a joke I will never tell again.

:~)











Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
<MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>

To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
cc: (bcc: Rhonda Reger/Bmgt)
Subject: Re: The so-called "AoM/IAoM"




On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, David Miron wrote:

> This sounds like a competition. Please advise those of us who are new to
> these circles. What is going on?

"What is going on?" is a beautiful way to put it. I lectured last night
on occupational and organizational culture, and the week before that on
politics, and I expect these are some of the perspectives that would begin
to answer your questions.

I don't think this organization should be referred to as the so-called
AoM/IAoM. I believe they established their name it in about 1975 when the
Academy was a much smaller operation and there might not have been as much
potential for confusion (but I wasn't there and don't know). I say "they"
because I attend Academy of Management meetings, not Association of
Management (AoM/IAoM) meetings. However, I attended one of their meetings
when it was in my neighborhood, and it was a legitimate professional
meeting. I also liked the people I met there. I do wish "AoM/IAoM" would
switch to "IAoM" but they haven't asked my opinion. You did.

John

=========================================================
John L. Michela, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
University of Waterloo (519) 888-4567 x2164
200 University Ave, W.
Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 (519) 746-8631 (fax)
Canada

jmichela@uwaterloo.ca
http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~jmichela/
=========================================================


Rhonda K. Reger
Management & Organization Department
Robert H. Smith College of Business
University of Maryland
3337 Van Munching Hall
College Park, MD 20742-1815
phone: 301-405-2167
fax: 301-314-8787
e-mail: rreger@rhsmith.umd.edu

Rhonda,
I know you're joking, though their propensity to threaten to sue professors
who use AoM to represent the many times older Academy of Management or to
mention some unfavorable aspect of the group is one of reasons I don't
welcome their posting to Mg-Ed-Dv. Indeed the title above was crafted to
eliptically refer to their obsessiveness with ownership of initials. I
remember that discussion on ODCnet very well. Again, many very nice
professors from a wide spectrum of institutions participate in the Assn. I
have colleagues who publish in journals published by the Assn.
Let's drop this thread though to maintain our collegiallity.
Best regards,
Cybercollegially,
Charlie Wankel
St. John's University--New York City
wankelc@stjohns.edu

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion
> [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Rhonda Reger
> Subject: Re: The so-called "AoM/IAoM"
>
> A similar discussion arose awhile back on another Academy of Management
> listserv. As I recall, it was also at the end of the semester
> and I was in
> a similar frame of mind. I suggested that to end the confusion, we should
> call the Association of Management the "Ass of Man" and the Academy of
> Management the "Ace of Man." The leaders of the Association of
> Management
> were not amused. They sent me a rather stern warning suggesting that AoM
> was a registered mark of the Association of Management and further
> suggested that they would forgive me because "young people" often
> made this
> mistake.
>
> Therefore, having been warned that the AoM/IAoM is humor impaired,
> certainly that is a joke I will never tell again.
>
> :~)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> cc: (bcc: Rhonda Reger/Bmgt)
> Subject: Re: The so-called "AoM/IAoM"
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, David Miron wrote:
>
> > This sounds like a competition. Please advise those of us who are new to
> > these circles. What is going on?
>
> "What is going on?" is a beautiful way to put it. I lectured last night
> on occupational and organizational culture, and the week before that on
> politics, and I expect these are some of the perspectives that would begin
> to answer your questions.
>
> I don't think this organization should be referred to as the so-called
> AoM/IAoM. I believe they established their name it in about 1975 when the
> Academy was a much smaller operation and there might not have been as much
> potential for confusion (but I wasn't there and don't know). I say "they"
> because I attend Academy of Management meetings, not Association of
> Management (AoM/IAoM) meetings. However, I attended one of their meetings
> when it was in my neighborhood, and it was a legitimate professional
> meeting. I also liked the people I met there. I do wish "AoM/IAoM" would
> switch to "IAoM" but they haven't asked my opinion. You did.
>
> John
>
> =========================================================
> John L. Michela, Ph.D.
> Department of Psychology
> University of Waterloo (519) 888-4567 x2164
> 200 University Ave, W.
> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 (519) 746-8631 (fax)
> Canada
>
> jmichela@uwaterloo.ca
> http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~jmichela/
> =========================================================
>
>
> Rhonda K. Reger
> Management & Organization Department
> Robert H. Smith College of Business
> University of Maryland
> 3337 Van Munching Hall
> College Park, MD 20742-1815
> phone: 301-405-2167
> fax: 301-314-8787
> e-mail: rreger@rhsmith.umd.edu
>

I wonder what they'd said if you'd claimed to being old, and touchy as Medea.
It's hard to believe anyone would register AoM, AOM, aOM, aoM, or any other
variation thereof. No wonder there's a problem with the protection of
(legitimate) intellectual property.

Rhonda Reger wrote:

> A similar discussion arose awhile back on another Academy of Management
> listserv. As I recall, it was also at the end of the semester and I was in
> a similar frame of mind. I suggested that to end the confusion, we should
> call the Association of Management the "Ass of Man" and the Academy of
> Management the "Ace of Man." The leaders of the Association of Management
> were not amused. They sent me a rather stern warning suggesting that AoM
> was a registered mark of the Association of Management and further
> suggested that they would forgive me because "young people" often made this
> mistake.
>
> Therefore, having been warned that the AoM/IAoM is humor impaired,
> certainly that is a joke I will never tell again.
>
> :~)
>
> Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> cc: (bcc: Rhonda Reger/Bmgt)
> Subject: Re: The so-called "AoM/IAoM"
>
> On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, David Miron wrote:
>
> > This sounds like a competition. Please advise those of us who are new to
> > these circles. What is going on?
>
> "What is going on?" is a beautiful way to put it. I lectured last night
> on occupational and organizational culture, and the week before that on
> politics, and I expect these are some of the perspectives that would begin
> to answer your questions.
>
> I don't think this organization should be referred to as the so-called
> AoM/IAoM. I believe they established their name it in about 1975 when the
> Academy was a much smaller operation and there might not have been as much
> potential for confusion (but I wasn't there and don't know). I say "they"
> because I attend Academy of Management meetings, not Association of
> Management (AoM/IAoM) meetings. However, I attended one of their meetings
> when it was in my neighborhood, and it was a legitimate professional
> meeting. I also liked the people I met there. I do wish "AoM/IAoM" would
> switch to "IAoM" but they haven't asked my opinion. You did.
>
> John
>
> =========================================================
> John L. Michela, Ph.D.
> Department of Psychology
> University of Waterloo (519) 888-4567 x2164
> 200 University Ave, W.
> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 (519) 746-8631 (fax)
> Canada
>
> jmichela@uwaterloo.ca
> http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~jmichela/
> =========================================================
>
> Rhonda K. Reger
> Management & Organization Department
> Robert H. Smith College of Business
> University of Maryland
> 3337 Van Munching Hall
> College Park, MD 20742-1815
> phone: 301-405-2167
> fax: 301-314-8787
> e-mail: rreger@rhsmith.umd.edu

snip... I suggested that to end the confusion, we should
> call the Association of Management the "Ass of Man" and the Academy of
> Management the "Ace of Man." The leaders of the Association of
> Management
> were not amused.
>
> Rhonda,
> Perhaps they didn't like being the butt of your joke?


Responding badly to a joke is seldom a good idea. Look at what has happened
in this case - lots of comments flying around and people amusing themselves
at the Assoc of Man's (carefully added o and c)expense.

Regards,
Kevin

Kevin Fields
Lecturer: Tourism & Hospitality Management
Birmingham College of Food, Tourism
& Creative Studies
Summer Row
Birmingham B3 1JB

To set the record straight, the "Association of Management" has gone
through several name changes over the years. In 1985 they were still known
as the "Association of Human Resources Management and Organizational
Behavior."

Larry E. Pate
University of Wisconsin-Madison


At 10:12 AM 12/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, David Miron wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a competition. Please advise those of us who are new to
>> these circles. What is going on?
>
>"What is going on?" is a beautiful way to put it. I lectured last night
>on occupational and organizational culture, and the week before that on
>politics, and I expect these are some of the perspectives that would begin
>to answer your questions.
>
>I don't think this organization should be referred to as the so-called
>AoM/IAoM. I believe they established their name it in about 1975 when the
>Academy was a much smaller operation and there might not have been as much
>potential for confusion (but I wasn't there and don't know). I say "they"
>because I attend Academy of Management meetings, not Association of
>Management (AoM/IAoM) meetings. However, I attended one of their meetings
>when it was in my neighborhood, and it was a legitimate professional
>meeting. I also liked the people I met there. I do wish "AoM/IAoM" would
>switch to "IAoM" but they haven't asked my opinion. You did.
>
>John
>
>=========================================================
> John L. Michela, Ph.D.
> Department of Psychology
> University of Waterloo (519) 888-4567 x2164
> 200 University Ave, W.
> Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 (519) 746-8631 (fax)
> Canada
>
> jmichela@uwaterloo.ca
> http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~jmichela/
>=========================================================
>

On Sat, 5 Dec 1998, Larry Pate wrote:

> To set the record straight, the "Association of Management" has gone
> through several name changes over the years. In 1985 they were still known
> as the "Association of Human Resources Management and Organizational
> Behavior."

Thank you for the correction. If it mattered I would try to dig up what I
read from "AoM/IAoM" that cited the approx. 1975 date--but it doesn't
matter. If that's your recollection from '85, I don't doubt it. It was
never my intention to defend the actions of the leaders of "AoM/IAoM" who
have threatened legal action over the AoM name. I was defending
colleagues who choose to attend a different meeting from the one that I
and others on this list attend. Another contributor to this list put it
nicely by saying something to the effect that professionals attend
professional meetings for a variety of purposes, with the implication that
we should respect those professionals and purposes. We can do that _and_
oppose the legal threats and any other inappropriate behavior (such as the
poor service described in connection with seeking payment receipts) by an
organization's leaders. It would terribly ironic if an e-mail list
concerned with personal growth, development, ethics, etc., could not make
these kinds of distinctions. In reference to my first (and next-to-last)
posting on this matter, the list discussion sounds political and cultural
to my professionally trained ear when these distinctions are not made.

Gee, now _I'm_ sounding humorless. I really liked the crack about the
"butt of the joke."

John
=========================================================
John L. Michela, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
University of Waterloo (519) 888-4567 x2164
200 University Ave, W.
Waterloo, Ontario N2L 3G1 (519) 746-8631 (fax)
Canada

jmichela@uwaterloo.ca
http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~jmichela/
=========================================================