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I would be interested in any thoughts on how a joint course for
undergraduates and graduate students should vary. Specifically should the
course requirements differ and how?

Thanks,

John B.

IF the primary differences between undergraduates and graduate students are
work experience vs none and family vs single, then you might ask how an
organizational project would differ if staffed with 1) mix of new hire and
experienced or 2) new hires only or 3) experienced only. (I see family vs
single affecting process, such as working nights and weekends).

It is not reasonable to be too general, as some undergrads are empty-nest
adults returning to get a degree and some graduates are evening part-time
students (vs full-time).
-- Prof. John L. Naman naman+@pitt.edu

I have experienced taking courses with a mix of undergraduates and
graduates and teaching such a course. I don't like them. I think they
cheat both groups.

However, we don't always get what we like. Given that you can't separate
them, I think the most fair way is to have the graduates do more research
and more papers. I expect graduate students to delve more deeply into
the subject than undergraduates. I haven't thought of anything else. It
doesn't work to have NO difference in requirements; at least not in my
experience.

Edryce Reynolds


On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:45:41 -0500 "Ballard, John"
<John_Ballard@MAIL.MSJ.EDU> writes:
>I would be interested in any thoughts on how a joint course for
>undergraduates and graduate students should vary. Specifically should
>the
>course requirements differ and how?
>
>Thanks,
>
>John B.
>

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I took dual level classes years ago at Purdue - they generally
worked well. However, they were designed for undergrad seniors
and first year grad students.

Prior to my arrival here at UAS, they had "stacked" (using different
numbers) BBA and MBA students into the same course.
Administration loved it - 2 courses for the price of one. While I can
see some limited times when it might work, I agree that when done
for economic reasons, they chaet everyone. I can see some
situations where we might a dual rated course when we want to
offer a specialized topic which simply can't generate the numbers
to make as separate courses.

This semester, I had three seniors ask to take an MBA/MPA
research methods class which I was teaching. I simply told them
to sign up for the grad class. (We allow undergrads to take grad
level courses with approval) Two signed up and are doing quite well,
even with "graduate student" requirements.

Dave Ackerman
University of Alaska Southeast


> I have experienced taking courses with a mix of undergraduates and
> graduates and teaching such a course. I don't like them. I think they
> cheat both groups.
>
> However, we don't always get what we like. Given that you can't separate
> them, I think the most fair way is to have the graduates do more research
> and more papers. I expect graduate students to delve more deeply into the
> subject than undergraduates. I haven't thought of anything else. It
> doesn't work to have NO difference in requirements; at least not in my
> experience.
>
> Edryce Reynolds
>
>