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  • 1.  Interviewing

    Posted 12-04-1998 15:56
    I like Pearl's data. It also agrees with what an old salt HR consultant taught
    me about hiring processes in the 1970's and with my personal experience (so much
    for large samples).

    Furthermore, Pearl, your anonymous quote in your signature: it is a common
    battle cry at Intel (but I don't know if they made it up). Engineers like that
    sort of thing.

    Cheers,

    M.


  • 2.  Interviewing

    Posted 12-04-1998 17:06
    I think the quote comes from the British physicist Lord Kelvin. The version I heard was "If you can't measure it, you can't control it."

    Anne

    >>> Michael Levenhagen <mlevenha@CALPOLY.EDU> 12/04 1:56 PM >>>
    I like Pearl's data. It also agrees with what an old salt HR consultant taught
    me about hiring processes in the 1970's and with my personal experience (so much
    for large samples).

    Furthermore, Pearl, your anonymous quote in your signature: it is a common
    battle cry at Intel (but I don't know if they made it up). Engineers like that
    sort of thing.

    Cheers,

    M.


  • 3.  Interviewing

    Posted 12-04-1998 19:53
    Interesting origin of the phrase. The substitution of "control" for
    "management" creates an ominous dark side to measurement, doesn't it?

    I teach "balanced scorecards," the need to measure and reward desirable
    behavior, and am quite familiar with Intel via primary research and
    consulting. Yes, Intel has a passion for measurement. But they have an
    equal passion for their culture and values. In my experience, the great
    firms have both: strong values that lead people to extraordinary efforts
    in the right direction for the business (regardless of the tangible
    personal rewards), and an excellent understanding of the key metrics (with
    rewards). At poorly performing companies, employees are asked to fall on
    their swords in order to do the right thing for the business because the
    metrics are wrong, too narrow, or blindly applied.

    As I believe Weick said (and my mother, also, but Weick is more credible):
    It is good to know what you are doing. This is true whether you were
    trained as an engineer or as a retailer (I'm thinking Wal-Mart and
    post-turnaround Sears management).










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    I think the quote comes from the British physicist Lord Kelvin. The
    version I heard was "If you can't measure it, you can't control it."

    Anne

    >>> Michael Levenhagen <mlevenha@CALPOLY.EDU> 12/04 1:56 PM >>>
    I like Pearl's data. It also agrees with what an old salt HR consultant
    taught
    me about hiring processes in the 1970's and with my personal experience (so
    much
    for large samples).

    Furthermore, Pearl, your anonymous quote in your signature: it is a common
    battle cry at Intel (but I don't know if they made it up). Engineers like
    that
    sort of thing.

    Cheers,

    M.


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