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  • 1.  Knowledge Manglement

    Posted 01-15-2003 07:54
    Knowledge is like air and sex. Not all that important -- unless you are not
    getting any.

    Even if Aleuts do have 23 words for different kinds of snow (I have never
    found the list), classifying air as in explicit or tacit and presuming air
    can be frozen for posterity (as in Popper's Worlds 1, 2, 3) is great
    recreation for theorists but doesn't do much for the other 99.99999 percent
    of us.

    In contrast, "Learning, Creating, and Using Knowledge" by Joseph D. Novak,
    Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1998, looks at knowledge from a utilitarian
    viewpoint that brought new insights to this reader and enables discerning
    those who confuse the 'thing' with the 'label of the thing' (or the map with
    the territory).

    ps. I have no business relationship with Dr. Novak.

    > -----Original Message-----
    >
    > From: Marina Dabic [mailto:Marina.Dabic@sfsb.hr]=20
    >
    > Dear Colleagues,
    >
    > I find this discussion interesting, thoughtful, and thought provoking.
    > This topic is very close to my heart. Small countrie like Croatia trys to
    > catch-up the process and my aim is to show how KM is neccessary for it.
    > Unfortunatly we still didn't have course Knowledge Management on
    > undegraduate level, and I am trying to include it on graduate level. I
    must > admit, I do not know Ronald Gross's book, nor have I heard of his
    > typology. Even more i find myself not enough educate on that subject.
    > Last few years i tryed to read lot of references but a real word missed.
    If
    > you have any course or summer school with possible schoolarship, or some
    > good teaching materials please inform me.
    > I find that the share of knowledge is our mision, so I 'll try my best
    > on small university. Thanks for any assistance
    > sincerly yours
    > Marina Dabic
    > Assistant Professor
    > University of Osijek
    > Mechanical Engineering Faculty
    > 35000 Slavonski Brod
    > Trg Ivane Brilic Mazuranic 18
    > Croatia
    > tel:++385 (0)35 446718
    > marina.dabic@sfsb.hr


  • 2.  Knowledge Manglement

    Posted 01-15-2003 10:42
    Jack,

    Continuing with your analogy... the most desperate must pay to get it and
    expose themselves to all sort of dangers, and complications... one better
    exists, develop and care for a stable sustainable symbiosis that provides
    and satisfies ones needs (while also satisfying other needs)... (the need
    go beyond the physical into the psychological, and the spiritual opens a
    different topic, lets just say that love can't be bought and sex without
    love is just physical contact).

    Couldn't agree more to "confuse the 'thing' with the 'label of the thing'
    (or the map with the territory)" creates all sort of complications (and
    some delusions) just as the presumption that knowledge exists outside a
    mind to be grasped instead of within it to be cultivated and developed.

    I found 12 terms used for 'snow' in the passage "...while most non-skiing native Southern Californians use only 2
    terms--ice and snow. That does not mean that the English language only
    has 2 terms. Quite the contrary, there are many more English words that
    refer to different states of frozen water, such as blizzard, dusting,
    flurry, frost, hail, hardpack, powder, sleet, slush, and snowflake. The
    point is that these terms are rarely if ever used by people living in
    tropical or subtropical regions because they hardly ever encounter frozen
    water in any form other than an ice cube"(from http://anthro.palomar.edu/language/language_5.htm).

    For most knowledge management, the subtle distinctions and theories are
    just not that important, unless they happen to have difficulties at
    getting it and want to improve the odds of getting it in the future...

    I hold the notion that communication (and knowledge):
    diverges - when we think we get it right without the need to explore if
    we got it right
    converges - when we wonder if we got it right and inquire to ensure that
    we get it right

    Ever wonder why children learn so fast and so much? ? My guess : Children,
    unlike most adults who know, keep wondering alive?

    Cordially,

    Esteban

    ------
    Jack Ring
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    01/15/2003 06:53 AM
    Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion

    Knowledge is like air and sex. Not all that important -- unless you are
    not
    getting any.

    Even if Aleuts do have 23 words for different kinds of snow (I have never
    found the list), classifying air as in explicit or tacit and presuming air
    can be frozen for posterity (as in Popper's Worlds 1, 2, 3) is great
    recreation for theorists but doesn't do much for the other 99.99999
    percent
    of us.

    In contrast, "Learning, Creating, and Using Knowledge" by Joseph D. Novak,
    Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1998, looks at knowledge from a utilitarian
    viewpoint that brought new insights to this reader and enables discerning
    those who confuse the 'thing' with the 'label of the thing' (or the map
    with
    the territory).

    ps. I have no business relationship with Dr. Novak.

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  • 3.  urban legends: Words for snow

    Posted 01-15-2003 21:38
    I don't remember where I read it, but the Aleuts don't have any more words for snow than English, e.g., slush, powder, packed, moguls, fluffy power, etc. I think the record for attribute discrimination is held by an African language with words discriminating qualities of "green".
    Jack Ring <jring@amug.org> wrote:Knowledge is like air and sex. Not all that important -- unless you are not
    getting any.

    Even if Aleuts do have 23 words for different kinds of snow (I have never
    found the list), classifying air as in explicit or tacit and presuming air
    can be frozen for posterity (as in Popper's Worlds 1, 2, 3) is great
    recreation for theorists but doesn't do much for the other 99.99999 percent
    of us.

    In contrast, "Learning, Creating, and Using Knowledge" by Joseph D. Novak,
    Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1998, looks at knowledge from a utilitarian
    viewpoint that brought new insights to this reader and enables discerning
    those who confuse the 'thing' with the 'label of the thing' (or the map with
    the territory).

    ps. I have no business relationship with Dr. Novak.

    > -----Original Message-----
    >
    > From: Marina Dabic [mailto:Marina.Dabic@sfsb.hr]=20
    >
    > Dear Colleagues,
    >
    > I find this discussion interesting, thoughtful, and thought provoking.
    > This topic is very close to my heart. Small countrie like Croatia trys to
    > catch-up the process and my aim is to show how KM is neccessary for it.
    > Unfortunatly we still didn't have course Knowledge Management on
    > undegraduate level, and I am trying to include it on graduate level. I
    must > admit, I do not know Ronald Gross's book, nor have I heard of his
    > typology. Even more i find myself not enough educate on that subject.
    > Last few years i tryed to read lot of references but a real word missed.
    If
    > you have any course or summer school with possible schoolarship, or some
    > good teaching materials please inform me.
    > I find that the share of knowledge is our mision, so I 'll try my best
    > on small university. Thanks for any assistance
    > sincerly yours
    > Marina Dabic
    > Assistant Professor
    > University of Osijek
    > Mechanical Engineering Faculty
    > 35000 Slavonski Brod
    > Trg Ivane Brilic Mazuranic 18
    > Croatia
    > tel:++385 (0)35 446718
    > marina.dabic@sfsb.hr

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