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  • 1.  The last great occupation...

    Posted 02-08-1999 15:12
    Hi all,

    Kevin, my guess is that the value of college socialization depends on
    whether students are being socialized as relatively passive/dependent
    "takers-of-dictation" in lecture-based courses, or are being socialized as
    partners in learning in courses where work teams and class discussions are
    being used competently. The key issue is much more far-reaching than the use or
    abuse of information technologies.

    Cheers,

    Kent Young
    Associate Professor
    Department of Business Administration
    StFX University
    Canada


    Kevin Fields wrote:

    > Still a great thread.
    > Any thoughts on the loss of the socialising process? Students mature
    > immensely during their college/university years - largely due to social
    > interaction with their peers, but also through the discipline of conforming
    > to the institutional rules and regulations (though this can have a positive
    > or negative effect).
    > Will Cyberia lead to an increase in socially inadequate people as they
    > haven't had the opportunity to develop social skills in the 'real' world?
    >
    > Kevin Fields
    > Lecturer: Tourism & Hospitality Management
    > Birmingham College of Food, Tourism
    > & Creative Studies
    > Summer Row
    > Birmingham B3 1JB


  • 2.  The last great occupation...

    Posted 02-09-1999 04:17
    Hi Kent - and others,
    I was thinking more in terms of the socialising process outside the
    classroom.
    We have in excess of 40 different nationalities enrolled on our courses. We
    also have students from all areas of the UK. When students come to us it is
    often their first experience of living away from home. They are likely to
    develop a varied social circle made up of fellow students from the UK, plus
    a mix of overseas students; leading to exposure to a cross-cultural mix of
    individuals. In my view, this is a very important, particularly as these
    students are still in the developmental stage of becoming adults - if that
    doesn't sound too patronising.
    I am a great advocator of the use of IT within education, whether for
    distance learning or any other purposes. If it is the only means by which an
    individual can gain entry to the world of education then it is crucial that
    we develop effective means of delivery. These systems are also of great
    benefit in supporting more traditional methods of education.
    The only problem I have is with the possibility of distance learning
    eventually replacing traditional methods. I've no interest in issues of
    tenure or ivory towers - just concern about the holistic development of the
    individuals who will comprise our future society.
    Regards,
    Kevin Fields
    Lecturer: Tourism & Hospitality Management
    Birmingham College of Food, Tourism
    & Creative Studies
    Summer Row
    Birmingham B3 1JB
    >
    > Hi all,
    >
    > Kevin, my guess is that the value of college socialization depends on
    > whether students are being socialized as relatively passive/dependent
    > "takers-of-dictation" in lecture-based courses, or are being socialized as
    > partners in learning in courses where work teams and class discussions are
    > being used competently. The key issue is much more far-reaching
    > than the use or
    > abuse of information technologies.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Kent Young
    > Associate Professor
    > Department of Business Administration
    > StFX University
    > Canada
    >


  • 3.  The last great occupation...

    Posted 02-09-1999 10:04
    Great thoughts by Kevin Fields and Kent Young.

    My thought:

    Thinking about Patricia M. King's and Karen Strohm Kitchener's great
    book, Developing Reflective Judgment, as context; the word empathy comes
    to mind. Specifically something that might be called introspective
    empathy, i.e. being able to look at and debate your own thoughts from
    the viewpoint of another/others, understanding the potential effects of
    variously expressing them (or not), and adjusting (or maintaining) your
    thinking and/or expression accordingly. This is one of the necessary
    pre-cursors to higher order reflective judgement.

    Considering that reflective judgement is both an outgrowth of
    intellectual and social development, the question posed is important.

    I would say that, just as Kent rightly says that how we approach the
    classroom is important, so too is how we approach "Cyberia". Just as we
    need people who are willing to define the optimal classroom environment,
    we need people who can define optimal electronic instruction media
    "behavior"/protocols. Specifically, I am thinking about environments
    that encourage/support the freedom of free and open inquiry.

    As far as learning about other cultures, I have learned a great deal
    from another net by those willing to explain how they viewed and reacted
    differently to US-centric comments.

    I note with interest that in all the distant learning experiments on my
    campus, in reading about others, and in participating on a few
    discussion lists, I have not seen a reflective, intentional
    list/presentation that gets to creating an environment in "Cyberia" that
    encourages the open discourse needed for maximum academic/intellectual
    development. The closest we get are technical rules given by list serve
    managers, some occasional parent-child transactional analysis comments,
    and some tranquility-shattering blasts from a curmudgeon or two. Brings
    to mind how the Wild West must have been tamed. There is no "class"
    time devoted to how to be sociable in "Cyberia" as if students should
    just "know" how to do this based on chat room discussions on AOL and the
    like.

    Just as we can talk to students about non-academic socialization stuff,
    we can do so in "Cyberia", too. But it takes an active decision to do
    so.

    So, until some real leadership emerges, Cyberia may well stunt the
    socialization process. Although it does not have to be that way.

    Ed
    Drive On!


    >>> Kevin Fields <k.fields@BCFTCS.AC.UK> 02/09 4:17 AM >>>
    Hi Kent - and others,
    I was thinking more in terms of the socialising process outside the
    classroom.
    We have in excess of 40 different nationalities enrolled on our
    courses. We
    also have students from all areas of the UK. When students come to us
    it is
    often their first experience of living away from home. They are likely
    to
    develop a varied social circle made up of fellow students from the UK,
    plus
    a mix of overseas students; leading to exposure to a cross-cultural mix
    of
    individuals. In my view, this is a very important, particularly as
    these
    students are still in the developmental stage of becoming adults - if
    that
    doesn't sound too patronising.
    I am a great advocator of the use of IT within education, whether for
    distance learning or any other purposes. If it is the only means by
    which an
    individual can gain entry to the world of education then it is crucial
    that
    we develop effective means of delivery. These systems are also of
    great
    benefit in supporting more traditional methods of education.
    The only problem I have is with the possibility of distance learning
    eventually replacing traditional methods. I've no interest in issues
    of
    tenure or ivory towers - just concern about the holistic development of
    the
    individuals who will comprise our future society.
    Regards,
    Kevin Fields
    Lecturer: Tourism & Hospitality Management
    Birmingham College of Food, Tourism
    & Creative Studies
    Summer Row
    Birmingham B3 1JB
    >
    > Hi all,
    >
    > Kevin, my guess is that the value of college socialization
    depends on
    > whether students are being socialized as relatively
    passive/dependent
    > "takers-of-dictation" in lecture-based courses, or are being
    socialized as
    > partners in learning in courses where work teams and class
    discussions are
    > being used competently. The key issue is much more far-reaching
    > than the use or
    > abuse of information technologies.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Kent Young
    > Associate Professor
    > Department of Business Administration
    > StFX University
    > Canada
    >