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  • 1.  Repititions and habit

    Posted 02-09-1999 10:18
    Bevis England said, <<As a budding musician, being taught classical piano, I
    was told you have to play a piece of music correctly 26 times consecutively
    before you can be sure you've learnt it (at a level you can rely on for future
    performance) --which might be one reason why I gave up classical piano.

    a) this might be the start point of the "21" referred to.
    b) forcing such a level of accuracy on students could be counterproductive>>

    Amazingly enough, I am energized by 26 times, as a budding new 48 year old
    musician. I have learned (so far) about
    *Effort
    *Getting past my personal barriers
    *The destructive power of assumption
    *Unfolding
    *Love (my teacher)
    *Patience
    *Teaching
    *I could go on and on.

    We want it FAST, we want it EASY, we want it COMFORTABLE, Nextx

    21 times until habit is probably true. I didn't read the post with the
    question. Did the question imply that students were required to go out and do
    something 21 times, then come back? I am prone to think "21 times until habit"
    doesn't mean 21 times in a row. I hope this use of habit does not require
    forcing.

    Interesting.

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  • 2.  Repititions and habit

    Posted 02-09-1999 13:28
    From: Barbara Golden wrote on Wednesday, 10 February 1999 04:51
    Subject: Repititions and habit


    >Amazingly enough, I am energized by 26 times, as a budding new 48 year old
    >musician. I have learned (so far) about
    >*Effort
    >*Getting past my personal barriers
    >*The destructive power of assumption
    >*Unfolding
    >*Love (my teacher)
    >*Patience
    >*Teaching
    >*I could go on and on.
    >
    >We want it FAST, we want it EASY, we want it COMFORTABLE, Nextx


    In the balance between the 26 repetitions mentioned in an earlier post
    (which predated Covey's rise to prominence by many years) and the desire for
    things to be FAST, EASY, COMFORTABLE, a further thought comes to mind.
    Older civilisations have evolved repetition (American Indian or African drum
    rhythms and dances, mantras and other meditational techniques, etc.) as a
    way of creating or reinforcing specific states of mind. Perhaps this is
    where Barbara gets her "energy" from -- certainly what she has learned (so
    far) hints at repetition creating a state of mind, a set of mental
    attributes, but has it really contributed to her knowledge and enjoyment of
    the music, the original motivation? (Although the endless repetition turned
    me off playing classical piano, I remain a keen listener to all music and am
    a better than average guitarist and song writer now -- I'm getting the
    enjoyment, developing the knowledge, etc. without the repetition ...)

    This discussion appears to lead back to another thread, that of "Cyberia"
    and distance learning approaches. How best to teach something? John
    Raulston Saul's definitions of Ants and the balance between doing and
    thinking springs to mind. Repetition might be preparation for doing (habit
    forming) but it will stultify thinking -- and it is arguable that thinking
    is far more important today -- the pace of change makes habits less
    relevant -- constructive thought as a base for new action or reaction is a
    better lesson? Constructive thought might not be easy in conventional
    learning environments (habit forming?) whereas it can be easier in a
    'distant' setting.

    I am not surprised that the Psychology department laughed at the 21
    repetition suggestion: Isn't psychology, at base, the study of reactions in
    response to specific stimuli? An understanding of psychology is probably
    important in some settings but, at base, it appears that both 'habits' and
    pre-existing mind sets disrupt accurate psychological assessment. In my
    days on campus, the power of independent thought (free will?) was almost
    anathema to those pysch. students among my friends.

    Bevis