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  • 1.  Learning from the military

    Posted 11-08-2001 06:14
    Hi Mg-Ed-Dv-ers!

    Reading today's New York Times (online of course) I encountered
    in the lead article
    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/08/international/asia/08STRA.html
    the opening sentence:
    "There is a saying at the Pentagon that no plan survives contact with
    the enemy."
    I suggest this as an opening for a class discussion today. If
    your classroom has a computer screen projector you might project the
    article as a visual effect and read the first sentence (drama?). (If
    you are using Internet Explorer of course click VIEW then TEXT SIZE then
    LARGEST as I hope you always do in such a circumstance).
    Then you might ask "what parts of what we've been reading and
    discussing would seem to definitely require jiggling when applied at
    work?" How should we be preparing for inevitable need for revision and
    correction and what are the components of such processes? Which things
    that we've discussed do not allow adjustment after implementation.

    Cybercollaborating,
    Charles Wankel
    St. John's University, New York
    wankelc@stjohns.edu


  • 2.  learning from the military

    Posted 11-08-2001 10:13
    ...no plan survives contact with the enemy."

    my first encounter with this saying is the Prussian Chief of Staff
    during the Franco-Prussian War of 1880 ish, not that I claim to have
    heard it first hand of course.

    cyberhistorically
    Arthur Morgan


  • 3.  Learning from the military

    Posted 11-08-2001 10:48
    Arthur's right on the history:

    …no plan of operation can extend with any prospect of certainty, beyond
    the first clash with the hostile main force. Only a layman can pretend
    to trace throughout the course of a campaign the prosecution of a rigid
    plan, arranged beforehand in all its details and adhered to the last.
    All successive acts of war are therefore not pre-mediated executions but
    spontaneous acts guided by military tact.
    - Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke, "the Elder"
    Helmuth von Moltke, "Moltke on the Art of War: Selected Writings,"
    Hughes, Daniel (Ed). Novato, Calif.: Presidion Press, 1993

    Count Helmuth von Moltke expressed his philosophical views on the
    necessity of war. Moltke was born in Mecklenburg, served the King of
    Denmark and the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire before returning to Prussia
    in 1839. From 1858 until his resignation in 1888, he served as Chief of
    the General Staff from which position he planned the successful wars of
    unification against Denmark, Austria, and France. He was also a member
    of the Reichstag, 1871-91. Source: Harry Pross (ed.), Die Zerstörung der
    deutschen Politik: Dokumente 1871-1933 (Frankfurt, 1959), pp. 29-31.
    Translated by Richard S. Levy.]

    Napoleon was a keen believer in the now well known dictum that no plan
    of action survives contact with the enemy. In his own words, "On
    s'engage l'enemi, et puis, s'on vois", ("you engage the enemy, and then
    you see".)
    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3165/anecdotes.html

    Cybercollegially,
    Charles Wankel
    Mg-Ed-Dv List Director
    wankelc@stjohns.edu

    -----Original Message-----

    my first encounter with this saying is the Prussian Chief of Staff
    during the Franco-Prussian War of 1880 ish, not that I claim to have
    heard it first hand of course.

    cyberhistorically
    Arthur Morgan

    > -----Original Message-----

    > Hi Mg-Ed-Dv-ers!
    >
    > Reading today's New York Times (online of course) I encountered
    in
    > the lead article
    > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/08/international/asia/08STRA.html
    > the opening sentence:
    > "There is a saying at the Pentagon that no plan survives contact with
    > the enemy."
    > I suggest this as an opening for a class discussion today. If
    your
    > classroom has a computer screen projector you might project the
    > article as a visual effect and read the first sentence (drama?). (If
    > you are using Internet Explorer of course click VIEW then TEXT SIZE
    > then LARGEST as I hope you always do in such a circumstance).
    > Then you might ask "what parts of what we've been reading and
    > discussing would seem to definitely require jiggling when applied at
    > work?" How should we be preparing for inevitable need for revision
    > and correction and what are the components of such processes? Which
    > things that we've discussed do not allow adjustment after
    > implementation.
    >
    > Cybercollaborating,
    > Charles Wankel
    > St. John's University, New York
    > wankelc@stjohns.edu