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Charles,

Each week I see a list of recently published items posted to this ng which
normally don't turn my head, but occasionally one does - as happened this
morning. It was disappointing, however, to follow the threads only to find
that the article of interest was not available unless one subscribed to the
on-line magazine (or made a 'per view' payment). I thought that advertising,
even through a third party, on this ng was a no-no?

Now that I know that the recommended readings that you post are aimed at a
per fee service I shall be that much wiser next time, but would it be
possible to advise readers that what follows is an advertisement for a
product that one must pay for, that it is not a free service to readers.
Also it might be helpful if you let us know whether or not you endorse the
product being offered for sale.

Kind regards

Phil Rutherford

Phil,
I actually subscribe to hundreds of alerts etc. and try to
select journal contents from Kluwer, Emerald, Sage, Blackwell, Carfax,
etc. that seem likely to be interesting and useful to at some
mg-ed-dv-ers. These are commercial publishers and I do not have a
problem with that. What you should do is search for the authors' names
and send them an email saying "I would appreciate your sending me a copy
of your article "Managing on Mars", J of Martian Studies, 22,
4(2001):2-37, and any related items." The full citation will enable
their assistant to dispatch it to you if they're off studying the
Latvian Christmas Tree Industry. Most people will send it right off to
you and hope you cite them after you get it. Now if the name is
somewhat common try pairing with keywords from the title or words like
"university" or "management" or both. You might try the Academy of
Management Directory too on the AOM homepage, though that is now limited
to use by members (something new). Hey, is it shocking that people want
you to pay them for providing you with the product? I think it is even
fair. Maybe your library might even have some of them or be willing to
interloan them for you. Perhaps you might ask on the list: Does anyone
know where I can contact Dr. Quack who authored "Managing on Mars".
Perhaps Dr. Quack might even be a member of mg-ed-dv.
Don't worry be happy!
Charles Wankel
Mg-Ed-Dv List Director
wankelc@stjohns.edu

-----Original Message-----

Charles,
Each week I see a list of recently published items posted to
this ng which normally don't turn my head, but occasionally one does -
as happened this morning. It was disappointing, however, to follow the
threads only to find that the article of interest was not available
unless one subscribed to the on-line magazine (or made a 'per view'
payment). I thought that advertising, even through a third party, on
this ng was a no-no?
Now that I know that the recommended readings that you post are
aimed at a per fee service I shall be that much wiser next time, but
would it be possible to advise readers that what follows is an
advertisement for a product that one must pay for, that it is not a free
service to readers. Also it might be helpful if you let us know whether
or not you endorse the product being offered for sale.
Phil Rutherford

There must be some error, I have not posted anything to this NG and would
not support the commercialisation of acdemic work in the way that you have
informed me. i would be grateful if you could direct me to the discussions
indicated so that our IT people could check out whether my account has been
abused.

I apologise for any confusion but I'm no guilty of the charge

regards

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Rutherford [mailto:robnphil@ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 10:40 PM
To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Subject: Academic Literature


Charles,

Each week I see a list of recently published items posted to this ng which
normally don't turn my head, but occasionally one does - as happened this
morning. It was disappointing, however, to follow the threads only to find
that the article of interest was not available unless one subscribed to the
on-line magazine (or made a 'per view' payment). I thought that advertising,
even through a third party, on this ng was a no-no?

Now that I know that the recommended readings that you post are aimed at a
per fee service I shall be that much wiser next time, but would it be
possible to advise readers that what follows is an advertisement for a
product that one must pay for, that it is not a free service to readers.
Also it might be helpful if you let us know whether or not you endorse the
product being offered for sale.

Kind regards

Phil Rutherford

Ciamar a tha sibh? CHARLES MALONE
Downunderer Phil's comments were directed to me CHARLES WANKEL,
the List Director of the Academy of Management's Management Education
and Development Discussion Forum (Mg-Ed-Dv). I suggest taking an extra
cup of coffee in the morning. (Boy, I can hear your Scottish accent in
that last sentence! What would call it in Dundee? Grrrrrreat!) Have
you read Andrew Brennan's comment on why Scotsmen shouldn't use
PowerPoint?
http://www.vodkatea.com/g/glossary.asp?termid=2078
Slàinte mhòr agad! Mar sin leibh an dràsda.
Cyberregards,
Charles Wankel
St. John's University, New York City

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Malone <C.Malone@mail1.tay.ac.uk>
There must be some error, I have not posted anything to this NG
and would not support the commercialisation of acdemic work in the way
that you have informed me. i would be grateful if you could direct me
to the discussions indicated so that our IT people could check out
whether my account has been abused.
I apologise for any confusion but I'm no guilty of the charge
regards
Charles Malone
University of Abertay
Dundee, Scotland

-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Rutherford [mailto:robnphil@ozemail.com.au]

Charles [Charles],
Each week I see a list of recently published items posted to
this ng which normally don't turn my head, but occasionally one does -
as happened this morning. It was disappointing, however, to follow the
threads only to find that the article of interest was not available
unless one subscribed to the on-line magazine (or made a 'per view'
payment). I thought that advertising, even through a third party, on
this ng was a no-no?
Now that I know that the recommended readings that you post are
aimed at a per fee service I shall be that much wiser next time, but
would it be possible to advise readers that what follows is an
advertisement for a product that one must pay for, that it is not a free
service to readers. Also it might be helpful if you let us know whether
or not you endorse the product being offered for sale.
Kind regards
Phil Rutherford

Thank you Phil, my sentiments exactly.
Best,
Romie Littrell
--- Phillip Rutherford <robnphil@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
> Charles,
>
> Each week I see a list of recently published
> items posted to this ng which
> normally don't turn my head, but occasionally
> one does - as happened this
> morning. It was disappointing, however, to
> follow the threads only to find
> that the article of interest was not available
> unless one subscribed to the
> on-line magazine (or made a 'per view'
> payment). I thought that advertising,
> even through a third party, on this ng was a
> no-no?
>
> Now that I know that the recommended readings
> that you post are aimed at a
> per fee service I shall be that much wiser next
> time, but would it be
> possible to advise readers that what follows is
> an advertisement for a
> product that one must pay for, that it is not a
> free service to readers.
> Also it might be helpful if you let us know
> whether or not you endorse the
> product being offered for sale.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Phil Rutherford


=====
Prof. Romie F. Littrell, Ph.D.
Department of Managaement
Fh-Aalen University of Applied Sciences
Beethovenstrasse Nr. 1
D-73430 Aalen
Germany
Fax: (49)7361-576-330

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There is a difference in posting a table on contents and promoting a
Journal, kind of like a book review and the actual book.

Clearly expecting a free book from whomever posts a table of contents of a
book or banning all together those postings would diminish the benefits
from knowing what can be found. I too would like to read many of the
articles that are mentioned for free, and understand that there are free
journals and ones that one has to pay for.

What would be quite interesting would be to negotiate and/or find the
sponsorships so that MG-ED-DV members have: reduced prices, the right to a
given number of free articles per month per journal (currently the number
is O) or some other alternatives. This could be a win-win situation for all
involved. For members that sporadically want to read an article they can,
and Journals would certainly get more subscriptions of whomever finds that
what they have is worth subscribing because they have seen at least some of
the articles.

Cordially,

Esteban Treviño






Romie Littrell <littrelliaccp@yahoo.com>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> on
11/12/2001 08:38:21 AM

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Thank you Phil, my sentiments exactly.
Best,
Romie Littrell
--- Phillip Rutherford <robnphil@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
> Charles,
>
> Each week I see a list of recently published
> items posted to this ng which
> normally don't turn my head, but occasionally
> one does - as happened this
> morning. It was disappointing, however, to
> follow the threads only to find
> that the article of interest was not available
> unless one subscribed to the
> on-line magazine (or made a 'per view'
> payment). I thought that advertising,
> even through a third party, on this ng was a
> no-no?
>
> Now that I know that the recommended readings
> that you post are aimed at a
> per fee service I shall be that much wiser next
> time, but would it be
> possible to advise readers that what follows is
> an advertisement for a
> product that one must pay for, that it is not a
> free service to readers.
> Also it might be helpful if you let us know
> whether or not you endorse the
> product being offered for sale.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Phil Rutherford


=====
Prof. Romie F. Littrell, Ph.D.
Department of Managaement
Fh-Aalen University of Applied Sciences
Beethovenstrasse Nr. 1
D-73430 Aalen
Germany
Fax: (49)7361-576-330

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Esteban - and others - well put! And I like your idea - but please do not
expect Charles to do it. I'm in awe of all that he does do already; I
have no idea how he manages to do his classes and research with all he
does on the listserve already.

Given that you are the originator of this idea (below), would you be
interested in carrying it out? If so, I would guess that MED would be
happy to have you initiate it.

Tim Edlund, Morgan State University

On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Esteban Trevino wrote: [in part; also rearranged]

> What would be quite interesting would be to negotiate and/or find the
> sponsorships so that MG-ED-DV members have: reduced prices, the right to a
> given number of free articles per month per journal (currently the number
> is O) or some other alternatives. This could be a win-win situation for all
> involved. For members that sporadically want to read an article they can,
> and Journals would certainly get more subscriptions of whomever finds that
> what they have is worth subscribing because they have seen at least some of
> the articles.

- - - - -

> There is a difference in posting a table on contents and promoting a
> Journal, kind of like a book review and the actual book.
>
> I too would like to read many of the
> articles that are mentioned for free, and understand that there are free
> journals and ones that one has to pay for.
>

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A conference to be held at King's College, London, 3rd – 7th September
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With the support of Culture and Organization (Routledge); BAM Philosophy
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Tim - and others-


Charles need not do it, He does quite a bit already.

I do feel others in the MD list have a better position to carry out the
idea, and just need to go do it. I would gladly contribute to further
refine the idea with whoever wants to carry it forward. We need to protect
all stakeholders and guard against misuse, their needs to be incentives and
locks to both promote and discourage particular behaviors.

To keep this community (list) alive we each need to give and take our
little parts. Tim as you state sometimes we expect the others to do what we
should be doing. In theory everyone should be contributing, in practice
only a few do. I feel that the call to action involves everyone. Imagine
what we could achieve as a whole... if the members participated with their
particular expertise, one resource here, one there, and another one over
there...

If you are in the position to do something to contribute and build this
community, PLEASE do it...

Cordially,


Esteban







Tim Edlund <tedlund@Morgan.EDU>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> on 11/12/2001
10:07:52 AM

Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
<MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>

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<MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>


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cc:
Subject: Re: Academic Literature


Esteban - and others - well put! And I like your idea - but please do not
expect Charles to do it. I'm in awe of all that he does do already; I
have no idea how he manages to do his classes and research with all he
does on the listserve already.

Given that you are the originator of this idea (below), would you be
interested in carrying it out? If so, I would guess that MED would be
happy to have you initiate it.

Tim Edlund, Morgan State University

On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Esteban Trevino wrote: [in part; also rearranged]

> What would be quite interesting would be to negotiate and/or find the
> sponsorships so that MG-ED-DV members have: reduced prices, the right to
a
> given number of free articles per month per journal (currently the number
> is O) or some other alternatives. This could be a win-win situation for
all
> involved. For members that sporadically want to read an article they can,
> and Journals would certainly get more subscriptions of whomever finds
that
> what they have is worth subscribing because they have seen at least some
of
> the articles.

- - - - -

> There is a difference in posting a table on contents and promoting a
> Journal, kind of like a book review and the actual book.
>
> I too would like to read many of the
> articles that are mentioned for free, and understand that there are free
> journals and ones that one has to pay for.
>




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On 12 Nov 01, at 10:51, Esteban Trevino wrote:

> To keep this community (list) alive we each need to give and take our
> little parts. Tim as you state sometimes we expect the others to do what
> we should be doing. In theory everyone should be contributing, in practice
> only a few do. I feel that the call to action involves everyone. Imagine
> what we could achieve as a whole... if the members participated with
> their particular expertise, one resource here, one there, and another one
> over there...

One of the things I've done is created a directory of work and
management related articles. Many are not academic or journal
type articles, but articles listed include those from some major
experts, including Scholtes, Bob Nelson, Deming, etc.

I created the articles database to keep track of resources I need to
find quickly, and there are over 1300 now. What's nice is that
articles in the directory are ALL available on the net free of charge,
and do not require any registration process to view.

The url for the directory is http://www.articles911.com. I invite those
looking for articles to drop in, and authors with material on the web
can add their articles to the directory themselves.

Robert Bacal
ceo@work911.com


Over 1200 work-related articles online at http://www.articles911.com

And many thanks, Robert Bacal, for that website!
Being in China with no textbooks for the students, I
rely heavily on the Internet and any good materials I
can get. Your articles have helped a lot.

Edryce

--- Robert Bacal <ceo@work911.com> wrote:
> On 12 Nov 01, at 10:51, Esteban Trevino wrote:
>
> > To keep this community (list) alive we each need
> to give and take our
> > little parts. Tim as you state sometimes we expect
> the others to do what
> > we should be doing. In theory everyone should be
> contributing, in practice
> > only a few do. I feel that the call to action
> involves everyone. Imagine
> > what we could achieve as a whole... if the
> members participated with
> > their particular expertise, one resource here, one
> there, and another one
> > over there...
>
> One of the things I've done is created a directory
> of work and
> management related articles. Many are not academic
> or journal
> type articles, but articles listed include those
> from some major
> experts, including Scholtes, Bob Nelson, Deming,
> etc.
>
> I created the articles database to keep track of
> resources I need to
> find quickly, and there are over 1300 now. What's
> nice is that
> articles in the directory are ALL available on the
> net free of charge,
> and do not require any registration process to view.
>
> The url for the directory is
> http://www.articles911.com. I invite those
> looking for articles to drop in, and authors with
> material on the web
> can add their articles to the directory themselves.
>
> Robert Bacal
> ceo@work911.com
>
>
> Over 1200 work-related articles online at
http://www.articles911.com


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Wrong Charles. I was talking to Charles Wankel.

Phil


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Malone" <C.Malone@mail1.tay.ac.uk>
To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Academic Literature


> There must be some error, I have not posted anything to this NG and would
> not support the commercialisation of acdemic work in the way that you have
> informed me. i would be grateful if you could direct me to the
discussions
> indicated so that our IT people could check out whether my account has
been
> abused.
>
> I apologise for any confusion but I'm no guilty of the charge
>
> regards
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phillip Rutherford [mailto:robnphil@ozemail.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 10:40 PM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Academic Literature
>
>
> Charles,
>
> Each week I see a list of recently published items posted to this ng which
> normally don't turn my head, but occasionally one does - as happened this
> morning. It was disappointing, however, to follow the threads only to find
> that the article of interest was not available unless one subscribed to
the
> on-line magazine (or made a 'per view' payment). I thought that
advertising,
> even through a third party, on this ng was a no-no?
>
> Now that I know that the recommended readings that you post are aimed at a
> per fee service I shall be that much wiser next time, but would it be
> possible to advise readers that what follows is an advertisement for a
> product that one must pay for, that it is not a free service to readers.
> Also it might be helpful if you let us know whether or not you endorse the
> product being offered for sale.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Phil Rutherford
>

Esteban and others,

I seem to have really let the cat out of the bag with my original posting so
I think it would be wise to offer a contribution to the discussion.

I think the idea of posters and members of this ng contributing in some way
to the sharing of resources (including academic literature) is a good one,
but before I go any further with this I would like to know what sort of
readership do we have on this group. I believe our original membership
including many with an interest in management development but is this still
the case? And are we talking about an interest from an academic or private
practice point of view? Also, from time to time we see discussions on
organisational development, so does this mean that reader's interests have
broadened to take in organsational aspects of management development? If so,
does this include human resource planning and management as well as
development?

In short, what is the profile of our members?

(Now if that doesn't open an even bigger can of worms then I don't know what
will :-))

Phil Rutherford

----- Original Message -----
From: "Esteban Trevino" <esteban.trevino@neoris.com>
To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Academic Literature


> Tim - and others-
>
>
> Charles need not do it, He does quite a bit already.
>
> I do feel others in the MD list have a better position to carry out the
> idea, and just need to go do it. I would gladly contribute to further
> refine the idea with whoever wants to carry it forward. We need to protect
> all stakeholders and guard against misuse, their needs to be incentives
and
> locks to both promote and discourage particular behaviors.
>
> To keep this community (list) alive we each need to give and take our
> little parts. Tim as you state sometimes we expect the others to do what
we
> should be doing. In theory everyone should be contributing, in practice
> only a few do. I feel that the call to action involves everyone. Imagine
> what we could achieve as a whole... if the members participated with
their
> particular expertise, one resource here, one there, and another one over
> there...
>
> If you are in the position to do something to contribute and build this
> community, PLEASE do it...
>
> Cordially,
>
>
> Esteban
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Edlund <tedlund@Morgan.EDU>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> on 11/12/2001
> 10:07:52 AM
>
> Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
> Sent by: Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
>
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Academic Literature
>
>
> Esteban - and others - well put! And I like your idea - but please do not
> expect Charles to do it. I'm in awe of all that he does do already; I
> have no idea how he manages to do his classes and research with all he
> does on the listserve already.
>
> Given that you are the originator of this idea (below), would you be
> interested in carrying it out? If so, I would guess that MED would be
> happy to have you initiate it.
>
> Tim Edlund, Morgan State University
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Esteban Trevino wrote: [in part; also rearranged]
>
> > What would be quite interesting would be to negotiate and/or find the
> > sponsorships so that MG-ED-DV members have: reduced prices, the right to
> a
> > given number of free articles per month per journal (currently the
number
> > is O) or some other alternatives. This could be a win-win situation for
> all
> > involved. For members that sporadically want to read an article they
can,
> > and Journals would certainly get more subscriptions of whomever finds
> that
> > what they have is worth subscribing because they have seen at least some
> of
> > the articles.
>
> - - - - -
>
> > There is a difference in posting a table on contents and promoting a
> > Journal, kind of like a book review and the actual book.
> >
> > I too would like to read many of the
> > articles that are mentioned for free, and understand that there are free
> > journals and ones that one has to pay for.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Phil,
Mg-Ed-Dv welcomes corporate management development experts and
consultants. Though most of us are academics. We are in more than 60
nations. Discussion, TOCs, calls, and position listings are all part of
the mix. Though management education and management development are
focal, TOCs and Calls that are management research related show up too.
Cybercollaborating,
Charles Wankel
Mg-Ed-Dv List Director
wankelc@stjohns.edu

Phillip,

In response to your request for info about members of
this list: I am interested in management education
and development and management practice (both academic
and practical). I have not been able to omit an
interest in OD as well, because the organization
affects management. And, yes, for me it includes HR
in all its aspects.

Edryce






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Here's one member's interests.

I teach management and subscribed to this list because of the Management
Education in its name. I would like to see more about innovative ideas for
education in the management field (which, to me, includes management
development). That said, although I usually do not tap into the pubs for
which our very able moderator provides addresses, I do occasionally find a
gem and would support the continuation of that practice.

Ralph W. Parrish


-----Original Message-----
From: Management Education and Development Discussion
[mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Phillip Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:44 PM
To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Subject: Re: Academic Literature


Esteban and others,

I seem to have really let the cat out of the bag with my original posting so
I think it would be wise to offer a contribution to the discussion.

I think the idea of posters and members of this ng contributing in some way
to the sharing of resources (including academic literature) is a good one,
but before I go any further with this I would like to know what sort of
readership do we have on this group. I believe our original membership
including many with an interest in management development but is this still
the case? And are we talking about an interest from an academic or private
practice point of view? Also, from time to time we see discussions on
organisational development, so does this mean that reader's interests have
broadened to take in organsational aspects of management development? If so,
does this include human resource planning and management as well as
development?

In short, what is the profile of our members?

(Now if that doesn't open an even bigger can of worms then I don't know what
will :-))

Phil Rutherford

----- Original Message -----
From: "Esteban Trevino" <esteban.trevino@neoris.com>
To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Academic Literature


> Tim - and others-
>
>
> Charles need not do it, He does quite a bit already.
>
> I do feel others in the MD list have a better position to carry out the
> idea, and just need to go do it. I would gladly contribute to further
> refine the idea with whoever wants to carry it forward. We need to protect
> all stakeholders and guard against misuse, their needs to be incentives
and
> locks to both promote and discourage particular behaviors.
>
> To keep this community (list) alive we each need to give and take our
> little parts. Tim as you state sometimes we expect the others to do what
we
> should be doing. In theory everyone should be contributing, in practice
> only a few do. I feel that the call to action involves everyone. Imagine
> what we could achieve as a whole... if the members participated with
their
> particular expertise, one resource here, one there, and another one over
> there...
>
> If you are in the position to do something to contribute and build this
> community, PLEASE do it...
>
> Cordially,
>
>
> Esteban
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Edlund <tedlund@Morgan.EDU>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> on 11/12/2001
> 10:07:52 AM
>
> Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
> Sent by: Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
>
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Academic Literature
>
>
> Esteban - and others - well put! And I like your idea - but please do not
> expect Charles to do it. I'm in awe of all that he does do already; I
> have no idea how he manages to do his classes and research with all he
> does on the listserve already.
>
> Given that you are the originator of this idea (below), would you be
> interested in carrying it out? If so, I would guess that MED would be
> happy to have you initiate it.
>
> Tim Edlund, Morgan State University
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Esteban Trevino wrote: [in part; also rearranged]
>
> > What would be quite interesting would be to negotiate and/or find the
> > sponsorships so that MG-ED-DV members have: reduced prices, the right to
> a
> > given number of free articles per month per journal (currently the
number
> > is O) or some other alternatives. This could be a win-win situation for
> all
> > involved. For members that sporadically want to read an article they
can,
> > and Journals would certainly get more subscriptions of whomever finds
> that
> > what they have is worth subscribing because they have seen at least some
> of
> > the articles.
>
> - - - - -
>
> > There is a difference in posting a table on contents and promoting a
> > Journal, kind of like a book review and the actual book.
> >
> > I too would like to read many of the
> > articles that are mentioned for free, and understand that there are free
> > journals and ones that one has to pay for.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Phil and others,

From my perspective Management Education Development encompasses everything
you have mentioned. Seeking to segment into individual topics, artificially
limits the relevant issues scope but provides order. Personally I would
like to see from what each contributes what each wants to explore, the
topics that interest the most participants would probably dominate the
messages. The community naturally encourages and discourages 'appropriate'
content and hopefully maintaining an openness to what is worth exploring.

I also hope that there will be material that will spark the imagination and
provide new places to journey into.

Cordially,

Esteban






Phillip Rutherford <robnphil@ozemail.com.au>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> on
11/12/2001 03:43:36 PM

Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
<MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>

Sent by: Management Education and Development Discussion
<MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>


To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
cc:
Subject: Re: Academic Literature


Esteban and others,

I seem to have really let the cat out of the bag with my original posting
so
I think it would be wise to offer a contribution to the discussion.

I think the idea of posters and members of this ng contributing in some way
to the sharing of resources (including academic literature) is a good one,
but before I go any further with this I would like to know what sort of
readership do we have on this group. I believe our original membership
including many with an interest in management development but is this still
the case? And are we talking about an interest from an academic or private
practice point of view? Also, from time to time we see discussions on
organisational development, so does this mean that reader's interests have
broadened to take in organsational aspects of management development? If
so,
does this include human resource planning and management as well as
development?

In short, what is the profile of our members?

(Now if that doesn't open an even bigger can of worms then I don't know
what
will :-))

Phil Rutherford

----- Original Message -----
From: "Esteban Trevino" <esteban.trevino@neoris.com>
To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Academic Literature


> Tim - and others-
>
>
> Charles need not do it, He does quite a bit already.
>
> I do feel others in the MD list have a better position to carry out the
> idea, and just need to go do it. I would gladly contribute to further
> refine the idea with whoever wants to carry it forward. We need to
protect
> all stakeholders and guard against misuse, their needs to be incentives
and
> locks to both promote and discourage particular behaviors.
>
> To keep this community (list) alive we each need to give and take our
> little parts. Tim as you state sometimes we expect the others to do what
we
> should be doing. In theory everyone should be contributing, in practice
> only a few do. I feel that the call to action involves everyone. Imagine
> what we could achieve as a whole... if the members participated with
their
> particular expertise, one resource here, one there, and another one over
> there...
>
> If you are in the position to do something to contribute and build this
> community, PLEASE do it...
>
> Cordially,
>
>
> Esteban
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tim Edlund <tedlund@Morgan.EDU>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> on 11/12/2001
> 10:07:52 AM
>
> Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
> Sent by: Management Education and Development Discussion
> <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
>
>
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Academic Literature
>
>
> Esteban - and others - well put! And I like your idea - but please do
not
> expect Charles to do it. I'm in awe of all that he does do already; I
> have no idea how he manages to do his classes and research with all he
> does on the listserve already.
>
> Given that you are the originator of this idea (below), would you be
> interested in carrying it out? If so, I would guess that MED would be
> happy to have you initiate it.
>
> Tim Edlund, Morgan State University
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Esteban Trevino wrote: [in part; also rearranged]
>
> > What would be quite interesting would be to negotiate and/or find the
> > sponsorships so that MG-ED-DV members have: reduced prices, the right
to
> a
> > given number of free articles per month per journal (currently the
number
> > is O) or some other alternatives. This could be a win-win situation for
> all
> > involved. For members that sporadically want to read an article they
can,
> > and Journals would certainly get more subscriptions of whomever finds
> that
> > what they have is worth subscribing because they have seen at least
some
> of
> > the articles.
>
> - - - - -
>
> > There is a difference in posting a table on contents and promoting a
> > Journal, kind of like a book review and the actual book.
> >
> > I too would like to read many of the
> > articles that are mentioned for free, and understand that there are
free
> > journals and ones that one has to pay for.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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