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  • 1.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-01-1999 10:43
    Kim Boal has raised some interesting points. I also have to operate
    within a higher education system geared towards numbers, and so have to
    deliver to class sizes of 100 plus for mass lectures. At the same time
    continuing downward pressure on printing budgets means that it is not
    possible to mass print supplementary material for students given the
    numbers.

    As an institution committed to open access, the student groups also come
    from a wide range of backgrounds in terms of age, racial group and
    educational experience. It is therefore some what risky to presume that
    all students will have similar capabilities in terms of IT skills and
    other information retrieval skills. It is also, based on my experiences,
    a myth that we are dealing with the computer generation. Many of
    students in the 18 to 24 age banding do not have superior IT skills to
    their more mature peers.

    I also feel it is not necessarily advisable to treat students too
    gently. If they are continually not challenged then they will
    develop/continue to display "learned helplessness", i.e. they will
    expect to be constantly guided and directed.

    As regards the purpose of a degree, this question is still being much
    debated in the UK. Some of you from the outside the UK may be aware of
    the Dearing Report into HE that was published last year, that examined
    the whole higher education sector in the UK. This Report leaned strongly
    towards the view that universities should be providing industry with the
    "experts" of the future. Whilst I would endorse this view to an extent,
    universities should also be engaged in challenging existing
    knowledge/ideas, and supplying the academics of the future.

    Dr. David Robotham
    Wolverhampton Business School
    > ----------
    > From: Kim Boal[SMTP:odkbb@TTACS.TTU.EDU]
    > Reply To: Management Education and Development Discussion
    > Sent: 01 March 1999 15:15
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Research, Education, Praxis and Thoeory
    >
    > The concerns and subsequent conversations regarding student research,
    > the
    > role of practitoners, required course work, etc., prompted by Gary
    > Lear's
    > post deserve a reply. As a caveat, let me state, I do not speak for
    > the
    > Professoriate, and have no idea in whose class the assignment were
    > given,
    > the motivation for giving the assignment, nor the level of students
    > who
    > contacted Mr. Lear. Recognizing these limitations, my response to Mr.
    > Lear
    > is as follows.
    >
    > 1) My experience corresponds to your complaint that many/most students
    > apparentely do no know how to use the library, at least for research
    > purposes. The tragic fact is that funding for many/most state
    > universities
    > has not kept up with costs. This often results is very large classes.
    > (Currently, I teach, at the junior level, one section of 431 students
    > and
    > one section of 184 students.) It would take a heroic teacher to
    > require
    > papers in such large classes. (I am not one). Therefore, many
    > students
    > never write term papers period, or at least until they are in classes,
    > whose size does not make grading prohibitive.
    >
    > When I again encounter those students as Seniors in the capstone
    > policy
    > course, where the class size typically is 30-40, papers are generally
    > required. However, as I routinely schedule a classs period (1 1/2
    > hours)
    > in the library. Working with the Business Librarian, he has put
    > together a
    > presentation to teach my students how to use the library to gather
    > information on countries, industries,and companies. Without his
    > presentation and hand outs, I think that many/most of my students
    > would
    > also be the type that bothers Mr. Lear.
    >
    > 2. Many of us take certain types of knowledge for granted. However,
    > as
    > one who typically brings philosophy, history, and science into my
    > lectures,
    > let me assure you that I often make the mistake common to those who
    > ASSUME
    > things. Many (probably most) of my students are from rural Texas,
    > they are
    > first generation college students, they come from working class
    > families.
    > If this is true of the students who approach Mr. Lear, then the
    > Professor
    > may have accurately assessed that his students had little real
    > knowledge
    > about organizations or what managers/leaders in those organizations
    > do.
    > Thus, the assignment to go and "talk" to a real manager to find out
    > what
    > they do. Real managers have more credibility than do texbooks. Thus
    > reading about Mintzberg's results, for example, is not as meaningful
    > to
    > students as talking to a live person on the firing line.
    >
    > 3. If you treat students as the novices they are, then you realize
    > that,
    > like other novices, their search patterns will be inefficient and
    > often
    > incoherent. Therefore, I ask indulgence on your part. It is my hope
    > that
    > someday, somewhere, some of these students will emerge as world class
    > managers, but it takes time: theirs, mine, and yours. We need your
    > help
    > if we are to be successful.
    >
    > 4. On a related issue, involving student research and statistics,
    > P.A.
    > Gantt suggested that a problem is that students are required to take a
    > lot
    > of courses that have no practical value. Usefullness, it seems ought
    > to be
    > the mantra of college courses and the goal of teaching. Usefulness
    > for
    > what I ask. Richard Montgomery suggest that his education has
    > provided him
    > with a "life long learning structure" that had enabled him to cope
    > with new
    > problems. The research evidence, whether at the level of the
    > individual or
    > the organization usggests that those who know more develop an
    > "absorptive
    > capacitiy" that allows them to learn new things easier. Thus, the old
    > adage, "knowledge for knowledge's sake" has real practical benefits.
    > The
    > Greeks use to say that the good life consists of "health, wealth, and
    > wisdom" While wisdom is clearly more than knowledge, extensive
    > knowledge
    > coupled with experience is more likely to result in wisdom than
    > ignorance
    > coupled with anything.
    >
    > I remember a poem, by William Blake, one of many I was required to
    > learn in
    > English literature as a Freshman in college (circa 1962). It goes
    >
    > Does the eagle know what is in the pit
    > or will thou go ask the mole
    > can wisdom be found in a silver rod
    > or love in a golden bowl
    >
    > Does this have any "practical" value? YES! It has enriched my life.
    >
    > To illustrate the Julian Rotter's concept of "locus of control, " I
    > often
    > recite William Henley's poem Invictus. Many of you are familiar with
    > this
    > poem, or at least the last stanza, which goes:
    >
    > It matter not how straight the gate
    > how filled with punishments the scroll
    > I am the master of my fate
    > I am the captain of my soul.
    >
    > Trust me, I never thought, in 1962, that I would have any "practical"
    > use
    > from English literature. Oh how wrong I was.
    >
    > Let me end this long missive by paraphrasing President John F.
    > Kennedy.
    > Ask not what your local university can do for you. Ask what you can
    > do for
    > your local university. Support the university of your choice. (But
    > if you
    > have any money left over, please send it to Tech).
    >
    > Regards to all on the firing line.
    >
    > Kim Boal
    >
    > --------------------------------
    > Kim Boal
    > College of Business Administration
    > Texas Tech University
    > Lubbock, TX 79409
    > (806) 742-2150
    > KimBoal@ttu.edu
    >


  • 2.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-01-1999 13:55
    Speaking of research...
    =======================

    Please excuse the crosspostings to UPFORGRABs and NETIZENs

    Please REread for COMPREHENSION not SPIN
    ========================================

    > REGULATION

    > NO CONSUMER PER MINUTE CHARGES TO ACCESS ISP'S

    > Issue: Internet Access/Regulation

    > A new fact sheet from the FCC: "provides information in response to
    > erroneous reports that the FCC is planning to impose per-minute usage
    > charges on consumer access to Internet Service Providers (ISPs). It also
    > discusses the FCC's February 25, 1999 decision

    > [http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Orders/1999/fcc99038.txt]

    > relating to dial-up traffic bound for ISPs. The bottom line is that the FCC
    > has no intention of assessing per-minute charges on Internet traffic or
    > changing the way consumers obtain and pay for access to the Internet."
    > Also see these links: Comments from Chairman Kennard

    [of course they don't have any intentions, the telcos will increase
    ISP's rates.]

    > <http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/faq_recp.html>

    > and the News Release and Comments on the order

    > <http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/News_Releases/1999/nrcc9014.html>

    > [SOURCE: FCC] <- major hint!

    > <http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/nominute.html>

    I see the spin doctors are out now. To be expected...
    [FCC ones that is, not Kevin]

    The Thursday ruling <unless we see through their charade> means:

    o ISPs will ultimately be charged <by telcos> for long distance
    connection for traffic that goes to the Internet.

    o We consumers will be charged *much* more to cover ISP costs.

    o Ultimately...

    - ISPs will charge more to the few who can still
    afford them [Digital Chasm]

    - ISPs in the main will be forced out of business

    - Telcos are positioning themselves to buy out cable cos.

    - Telcos are positioning themselves in the wireless

    =======================================================================
    See the s'ck'd buy into rates [wireless] by AT & T to get us started.
    We all know that prices will rise from this buy into rate.
    =======================================================================

    http://www.attws.com/personal/onerate/main.html

    Source:

    AT&T Wireless Services for personal use
    AT&T Sun. Feb. 28, 1999

    "...Do you make a lot of calls outside your home coverage area? With
    AT&T Digital OneRateSM, roaming and long distance charges are a
    thing of the past. Every call is like a local call. It's so simple and
    affordable, [affordable? my patoot, brackets mine]
    your wireless phone may become your only phone.

    Choose from three convenient calling plans:

    600 minutes
    $89.99 a month
    1000 minutes
    $119.99 a month
    1400 minutes
    $149.99 a month

    Additional airtime in excess of plan .25/min. AT&T Digital One Rate not
    available for purchase in all areas and requires a Digital multi-network
    phone from AT&T. Credit card calls excluded. Other conditions apply.

    AT&T Digital One Rate now available with AT&T Canada Calling..."

    =======================================================================

    Source: Special Report from IDG.net

    "...From 240+ Web sites, quality computing
    intelligence you need every day.

    The FCC's ruling today on calls to local ISPs has resulted in a
    *record amount of traffic* to IDG.net. To help you understand the
    issues behind this complicated story, the editors at IDG.net
    created this special newsletter. [IDG issued this
    special report at the behest of ISPs wanting to know
    immediately.]

    FCC rules ISP calls are long-distance in nature
    (Source: Network World Fusion) In a long-anticipated vote, the
    U.S. Federal Communications Commission decided that dial-up
    Internet calls are interstate in nature and not local.

    o http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=58646

    =======================================================================

    I repeat:

    "It's the economy stupid."

    Check out the run up on the stock market... why? the Internet!

    Kill *reasonable access* to the Net and you kill the ecomomy...

    "stupid." <- FCC/Telcos ~~ IMHO

    =======================================================================


    > Regards to all on the firing line.

    and...


    "...As regards the purpose of a degree, this question is still being
    much
    debated in the UK. Some of you from the outside the UK may be aware of
    the Dearing Report into HE that was published last year, that examined
    the whole higher education sector in the UK. This Report leaned strongly
    towards the view that universities should be providing industry with the
    "experts" of the future. Whilst I would endorse this view to an extent,
    universities should also be engaged in challenging existing
    knowledge/ideas, and supplying the academics of the future..."

    Agreed <wink>
    |
    V

    --
    P.A. Gantt
    http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
    mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
    http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
    M.S., HRD, The University of Tennessee, 1996


  • 3.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-02-1999 10:52
    At 15:42 1/03/99 Dr David Robotham wrote:
    >Kim Boal has raised some interesting points. I also have to operate
    >within a higher education system geared towards numbers, and so have to
    >deliver to class sizes of 100 plus for mass lectures. At the same time
    <snip>

    Both David and Kim raise the issue of mass lectures and the issue of
    students writing term papers. Allow me to briefly outline the educational
    philosophy of one university where I am proud to be an educator.

    There are around 1,000 first year students. There are mass lectures in
    most of the core subjects except the first year Management Course. By most
    institutional philosophies, 1,000 students would equate to about 2 lectures
    with 500 students in each one. According to David and Kim's point, this
    prevents the setting of term papers. Hence the mass exam mentality. This
    in itself perpetuates the game of teaching students how to sit exams,
    rather than helping them to learn. As educators, do we strive for our
    students to search for "deep learning" or to accept mediocrity through only
    participating in "surface learning" throughout their degree?

    Back to the 1,000 students. This course used to involve mass lectures but
    through the hard work of the course co-ordinator, this year (and for the
    last 5-6 years) it is actually 32 classes averaging 28 students per class.
    Each week there will be seven papers submitted per class (i.e. about 250
    per week!!!). Oh, and in case you are wondering, we have 17 lecturers
    taking the classes. This means that in terms of assessment of the
    students, there will be around 2,000 papers submitted (two each student), a
    mid-semester test for all of them, AND a final exam for all 1,000 of them.
    I might add, we grade these exams within a 48 hours time period of the
    students completing the exam.

    As for the issue of the library, the students also have to complete a
    self-guided library tour and sit a computerised test for that aswell.
    Waiting until they are postgraduates would be a waste of resources,
    especially as we are helping them to develop research and paper writing
    skills so that they can successfully complete their undergraduate studies.

    Oh, and before I forget. This year, all first year students have to
    prepare a portfolio outlining the "7 professional skills" that they will
    develop throughout their degree. In one unit before they graduate (final
    year) they will submit this portfolio for assessment. I mention this
    because it is something new, something exciting and has already made the
    new intake of students (last week) stop and think about the skills required
    for them to be both successful students and graduates in the workforce.

    So, is it possible to balance the economics of a mass lecture with the
    submission of term papers and the time/grading equation? I think it all
    depends on what the underlying purpose of the lectures is and the inherent
    purpose of "assessment". Can it be done? Thinking laterally may be one
    way to do this, as the above example illustrates.

    Food for thought ~ Alan :-)

    PS: It is nearly midnight which means the USA is just awakening. So, much
    as I would love to have an interactive, on-line chat, please don't expect a
    prompt reply because I'm going to go to bed now. ZZZZZZzzzzzz........
    --------------------------------------------------
    Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    Professional Educator & Speaker


  • 4.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-02-1999 11:14
    I'd like to know who the "we" is in this posting. How many in "we" is
    important since many schools I know of using 1000 student classes have
    one prof and a few TAs running the show. How can those people be
    expected to grade the load suggested in this post?

    Facilitated Solutions wrote:
    >
    > At 15:42 1/03/99 Dr David Robotham wrote:
    > >Kim Boal has raised some interesting points. I also have to operate
    > >within a higher education system geared towards numbers, and so have to
    > >deliver to class sizes of 100 plus for mass lectures. At the same time
    > <snip>
    >
    > Both David and Kim raise the issue of mass lectures and the issue of
    > students writing term papers. Allow me to briefly outline the educational
    > philosophy of one university where I am proud to be an educator.
    >
    > There are around 1,000 first year students. There are mass lectures in
    > most of the core subjects except the first year Management Course. By most
    > institutional philosophies, 1,000 students would equate to about 2 lectures
    > with 500 students in each one. According to David and Kim's point, this
    > prevents the setting of term papers. Hence the mass exam mentality. This
    > in itself perpetuates the game of teaching students how to sit exams,
    > rather than helping them to learn. As educators, do we strive for our
    > students to search for "deep learning" or to accept mediocrity through only
    > participating in "surface learning" throughout their degree?
    >
    > Back to the 1,000 students. This course used to involve mass lectures but
    > through the hard work of the course co-ordinator, this year (and for the
    > last 5-6 years) it is actually 32 classes averaging 28 students per class.
    > Each week there will be seven papers submitted per class (i.e. about 250
    > per week!!!). Oh, and in case you are wondering, we have 17 lecturers
    > taking the classes. This means that in terms of assessment of the
    > students, there will be around 2,000 papers submitted (two each student), a
    > mid-semester test for all of them, AND a final exam for all 1,000 of them.
    > I might add, we grade these exams within a 48 hours time period of the
    > students completing the exam.
    >
    > As for the issue of the library, the students also have to complete a
    > self-guided library tour and sit a computerised test for that aswell.
    > Waiting until they are postgraduates would be a waste of resources,
    > especially as we are helping them to develop research and paper writing
    > skills so that they can successfully complete their undergraduate studies.
    >
    > Oh, and before I forget. This year, all first year students have to
    > prepare a portfolio outlining the "7 professional skills" that they will
    > develop throughout their degree. In one unit before they graduate (final
    > year) they will submit this portfolio for assessment. I mention this
    > because it is something new, something exciting and has already made the
    > new intake of students (last week) stop and think about the skills required
    > for them to be both successful students and graduates in the workforce.
    >
    > So, is it possible to balance the economics of a mass lecture with the
    > submission of term papers and the time/grading equation? I think it all
    > depends on what the underlying purpose of the lectures is and the inherent
    > purpose of "assessment". Can it be done? Thinking laterally may be one
    > way to do this, as the above example illustrates.
    >
    > Food for thought ~ Alan :-)
    >
    > PS: It is nearly midnight which means the USA is just awakening. So, much
    > as I would love to have an interactive, on-line chat, please don't expect a
    > prompt reply because I'm going to go to bed now. ZZZZZZzzzzzz........
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    > Professional Educator & Speaker
    > --------------------------------------------------

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  • 5.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-02-1999 12:19
    Alan Wilson rightly points out that things don't have to be the way they
    are. I recall Ted Kennedy's eulogy to Robert. Quoting Goerge Bernard
    Shaw, Ted said, "Some people see the ways things are and ask why,
    I dream things that never were and say why not."

    Many years ago, I spent a year as a visiting assistanat professor at the
    University of Minnesota where I tauht their mass lecture junior level
    management course. Fortunately, I have 2 1/2 TAs assigned to me to help
    with the course. As a result, I broke each section (approximately 250 per)
    into 50 teams and gave them ten outside class assignments. I could never
    have graded all of those assignments alone however. (Maybe I could have,
    but I guess I was not willing to sacrifice my research and reading time
    among other things.) I think the point of Alan's post, as well as the
    contributions of others is that providing a world class education is labor
    intensive. Unfortunately, many of us lack the necessary people power to do
    all the pedogogical things we would like. In Texas, one of the reasons you
    pay $20000/year to go to SMU, as opposed to $3000/year to go to Tech, is
    that you do not expect to have many, if any, large lecture classes. I know
    we use our resources efficiently, I hope we also use them effectively. At
    least at the MBA level, where resources (class sizes are reasonable), our
    goal is to provide that "private school experience at a public school
    expense."

    For basketball fans, be sure to watch the Ladyraiders march to the NCAAs.
    Or as we say, "Texas Tech, where men are men, and women are national
    champions."

    Regards, Kim Boal

    At 11:51 PM 3/2/99 +0800, you wrote:
    >At 15:42 1/03/99 Dr David Robotham wrote:
    >>Kim Boal has raised some interesting points. I also have to operate
    >>within a higher education system geared towards numbers, and so have to
    >>deliver to class sizes of 100 plus for mass lectures. At the same time
    ><snip>
    >
    >Both David and Kim raise the issue of mass lectures and the issue of
    >students writing term papers. Allow me to briefly outline the educational
    >philosophy of one university where I am proud to be an educator.
    >
    >There are around 1,000 first year students. There are mass lectures in
    >most of the core subjects except the first year Management Course. By most
    >institutional philosophies, 1,000 students would equate to about 2 lectures
    >with 500 students in each one. According to David and Kim's point, this
    >prevents the setting of term papers. Hence the mass exam mentality. This
    >in itself perpetuates the game of teaching students how to sit exams,
    >rather than helping them to learn. As educators, do we strive for our
    >students to search for "deep learning" or to accept mediocrity through only
    >participating in "surface learning" throughout their degree?
    >
    >Back to the 1,000 students. This course used to involve mass lectures but
    >through the hard work of the course co-ordinator, this year (and for the
    >last 5-6 years) it is actually 32 classes averaging 28 students per class.
    >Each week there will be seven papers submitted per class (i.e. about 250
    >per week!!!). Oh, and in case you are wondering, we have 17 lecturers
    >taking the classes. This means that in terms of assessment of the
    >students, there will be around 2,000 papers submitted (two each student), a
    >mid-semester test for all of them, AND a final exam for all 1,000 of them.
    >I might add, we grade these exams within a 48 hours time period of the
    >students completing the exam.
    >
    >As for the issue of the library, the students also have to complete a
    >self-guided library tour and sit a computerised test for that aswell.
    >Waiting until they are postgraduates would be a waste of resources,
    >especially as we are helping them to develop research and paper writing
    >skills so that they can successfully complete their undergraduate studies.
    >
    >Oh, and before I forget. This year, all first year students have to
    >prepare a portfolio outlining the "7 professional skills" that they will
    >develop throughout their degree. In one unit before they graduate (final
    >year) they will submit this portfolio for assessment. I mention this
    >because it is something new, something exciting and has already made the
    >new intake of students (last week) stop and think about the skills required
    >for them to be both successful students and graduates in the workforce.
    >
    >So, is it possible to balance the economics of a mass lecture with the
    >submission of term papers and the time/grading equation? I think it all
    >depends on what the underlying purpose of the lectures is and the inherent
    >purpose of "assessment". Can it be done? Thinking laterally may be one
    >way to do this, as the above example illustrates.
    >
    >Food for thought ~ Alan :-)
    >
    >PS: It is nearly midnight which means the USA is just awakening. So, much
    >as I would love to have an interactive, on-line chat, please don't expect a
    >prompt reply because I'm going to go to bed now. ZZZZZZzzzzzz........
    >--------------------------------------------------
    > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    > Professional Educator & Speaker
    >--------------------------------------------------
    >
    --------------------------------
    Kim Boal
    College of Business Administration
    Texas Tech University
    Lubbock, TX 79409
    (806) 742-2150
    KimBoal@ttu.edu


  • 6.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-02-1999 14:12
    As a Lady Vol afficiando, IN YOUR FACE!!!


    On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:18:59 -0600 Kim Boal
    <odkbb@TTACS.TTU.EDU> wrote:

    > Alan Wilson rightly points out that things don't have to be the way they
    > are. I recall Ted Kennedy's eulogy to Robert. Quoting Goerge Bernard
    > Shaw, Ted said, "Some people see the ways things are and ask why,
    > I dream things that never were and say why not."
    >
    > Many years ago, I spent a year as a visiting assistanat professor at the
    > University of Minnesota where I tauht their mass lecture junior level
    > management course. Fortunately, I have 2 1/2 TAs assigned to me to help
    > with the course. As a result, I broke each section (approximately 250 per)
    > into 50 teams and gave them ten outside class assignments. I could never
    > have graded all of those assignments alone however. (Maybe I could have,
    > but I guess I was not willing to sacrifice my research and reading time
    > among other things.) I think the point of Alan's post, as well as the
    > contributions of others is that providing a world class education is labor
    > intensive. Unfortunately, many of us lack the necessary people power to do
    > all the pedogogical things we would like. In Texas, one of the reasons you
    > pay $20000/year to go to SMU, as opposed to $3000/year to go to Tech, is
    > that you do not expect to have many, if any, large lecture classes. I know
    > we use our resources efficiently, I hope we also use them effectively. At
    > least at the MBA level, where resources (class sizes are reasonable), our
    > goal is to provide that "private school experience at a public school
    > expense."
    >
    > For basketball fans, be sure to watch the Ladyraiders march to the NCAAs.
    > Or as we say, "Texas Tech, where men are men, and women are national
    > champions."
    >
    > Regards, Kim Boal
    >
    > At 11:51 PM 3/2/99 +0800, you wrote:
    > >At 15:42 1/03/99 Dr David Robotham wrote:
    > >>Kim Boal has raised some interesting points. I also have to operate
    > >>within a higher education system geared towards numbers, and so have to
    > >>deliver to class sizes of 100 plus for mass lectures. At the same time
    > ><snip>
    > >
    > >Both David and Kim raise the issue of mass lectures and the issue of
    > >students writing term papers. Allow me to briefly outline the educational
    > >philosophy of one university where I am proud to be an educator.
    > >
    > >There are around 1,000 first year students. There are mass lectures in
    > >most of the core subjects except the first year Management Course. By most
    > >institutional philosophies, 1,000 students would equate to about 2 lectures
    > >with 500 students in each one. According to David and Kim's point, this
    > >prevents the setting of term papers. Hence the mass exam mentality. This
    > >in itself perpetuates the game of teaching students how to sit exams,
    > >rather than helping them to learn. As educators, do we strive for our
    > >students to search for "deep learning" or to accept mediocrity through only
    > >participating in "surface learning" throughout their degree?
    > >
    > >Back to the 1,000 students. This course used to involve mass lectures but
    > >through the hard work of the course co-ordinator, this year (and for the
    > >last 5-6 years) it is actually 32 classes averaging 28 students per class.
    > >Each week there will be seven papers submitted per class (i.e. about 250
    > >per week!!!). Oh, and in case you are wondering, we have 17 lecturers
    > >taking the classes. This means that in terms of assessment of the
    > >students, there will be around 2,000 papers submitted (two each student), a
    > >mid-semester test for all of them, AND a final exam for all 1,000 of them.
    > >I might add, we grade these exams within a 48 hours time period of the
    > >students completing the exam.
    > >
    > >As for the issue of the library, the students also have to complete a
    > >self-guided library tour and sit a computerised test for that aswell.
    > >Waiting until they are postgraduates would be a waste of resources,
    > >especially as we are helping them to develop research and paper writing
    > >skills so that they can successfully complete their undergraduate studies.
    > >
    > >Oh, and before I forget. This year, all first year students have to
    > >prepare a portfolio outlining the "7 professional skills" that they will
    > >develop throughout their degree. In one unit before they graduate (final
    > >year) they will submit this portfolio for assessment. I mention this
    > >because it is something new, something exciting and has already made the
    > >new intake of students (last week) stop and think about the skills required
    > >for them to be both successful students and graduates in the workforce.
    > >
    > >So, is it possible to balance the economics of a mass lecture with the
    > >submission of term papers and the time/grading equation? I think it all
    > >depends on what the underlying purpose of the lectures is and the inherent
    > >purpose of "assessment". Can it be done? Thinking laterally may be one
    > >way to do this, as the above example illustrates.
    > >
    > >Food for thought ~ Alan :-)
    > >
    > >PS: It is nearly midnight which means the USA is just awakening. So, much
    > >as I would love to have an interactive, on-line chat, please don't expect a
    > >prompt reply because I'm going to go to bed now. ZZZZZZzzzzzz........
    > >--------------------------------------------------
    > > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    > > Professional Educator & Speaker
    > >--------------------------------------------------
    > >
    > --------------------------------
    > Kim Boal
    > College of Business Administration
    > Texas Tech University
    > Lubbock, TX 79409
    > (806) 742-2150
    > KimBoal@ttu.edu

    --
    Bruce Clemens PhD PE
    Room 360 CISAT Tower (A-1)
    Mail Stop Code: 4102
    College of Integrated Science and Technology
    James Madison University
    Harrisonburg, VA 22807
    office: (540)568-8770
    home: (540)289-7755
    fax: (540)568-2768
    internet: clemenbw@jmu.edu
    http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/clemens.htm


  • 7.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-03-1999 09:02
    At 11:14 2/03/99 Timothy DeGroot wrote:
    >I'd like to know who the "we" is in this posting. How many in "we" is
    >important since many schools I know of using 1000 student classes have
    >one prof and a few TAs running the show. How can those people be
    >expected to grade the load suggested in this post?

    And Bruce Clemens wrote:
    As a Lady Vol afficiando, IN YOUR FACE!!!

    You guys have totally lost me. Viz-a-viz:
    1) I haven't a clue what a TA is. Could this comment be an example of a
    closed mind paradigm. Iif it is, then I'd interpret this as a moment of
    truth and look at it as an opportunity to challenge this perception of
    reality.

    As for the "we", WE is the 17 (seventeen) lecturers all running the SAME
    lecture (i.e. the one for each week), therefore it works out at around 7
    (i.e. seven) assignments each class to mark per week (i.e. every seven
    days). I'm sure seven (i.e. 7) assignments per class per week is not too
    hard to grade. In fact, it works out at around 70 minutes per class to
    grade and yes, the quality of the papers improves as the semester develops.

    2) Please translate Bruce Clemens' comment. I assume that it is positive
    but ...

    Goodnight and sweet dreams (of little piles of grading due to a wonderful
    course design).

    Alan :-)
    --------------------------------------------------
    Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    Professional Educator & Speaker


  • 8.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-03-1999 09:07
    As I told Kim in a private response, the road to the top runs through
    Storrs.

    > ----------
    > From: Clemens, Bruce W[SMTP:clemenbw@JMU.EDU]
    > Reply To: Management Education and Development Discussion
    > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:10 AM
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Re: Research, Education, Praxis and Theory
    >
    > THe Lady VOls are the basketball dynasty that are soon to
    > kick butt in the U.S. National COllegiate Athletic
    > Association (NCAA) tournament...
    >
    > You heard it here first. Place your bets early and often...
    >
    >
    >
    > Bruce
    >
    > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:01:30 +0800 Facilitated Solutions
    > <tedebear@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:
    >
    > > At 11:14 2/03/99 Timothy DeGroot wrote:
    > > >I'd like to know who the "we" is in this posting. How many in "we" is
    > > >important since many schools I know of using 1000 student classes have
    > > >one prof and a few TAs running the show. How can those people be
    > > >expected to grade the load suggested in this post?
    > >
    > > And Bruce Clemens wrote:
    > > As a Lady Vol afficiando, IN YOUR FACE!!!
    > >
    > > You guys have totally lost me. Viz-a-viz:
    > > 1) I haven't a clue what a TA is. Could this comment be an example of
    > a
    > > closed mind paradigm. Iif it is, then I'd interpret this as a moment of
    > > truth and look at it as an opportunity to challenge this perception of
    > > reality.
    > >
    > > As for the "we", WE is the 17 (seventeen) lecturers all running the SAME
    > > lecture (i.e. the one for each week), therefore it works out at around 7
    > > (i.e. seven) assignments each class to mark per week (i.e. every seven
    > > days). I'm sure seven (i.e. 7) assignments per class per week is not
    > too
    > > hard to grade. In fact, it works out at around 70 minutes per class to
    > > grade and yes, the quality of the papers improves as the semester
    > develops.
    > >
    > > 2) Please translate Bruce Clemens' comment. I assume that it is
    > positive
    > > but ...
    > >
    > > Goodnight and sweet dreams (of little piles of grading due to a
    > wonderful
    > > course design).
    > >
    > > Alan :-)
    > > --------------------------------------------------
    > > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    > > Professional Educator & Speaker
    > > --------------------------------------------------
    >
    > --
    > Bruce Clemens PhD PE
    > Room 360 CISAT Tower (A-1)
    > Mail Stop Code: 4102
    > College of Integrated Science and Technology
    > James Madison University
    > Harrisonburg, VA 22807
    > office: (540)568-8770
    > home: (540)289-7755
    > fax: (540)568-2768
    > internet: clemenbw@jmu.edu
    > http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/clemens.htm
    >


  • 9.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-03-1999 09:11
    THe Lady VOls are the basketball dynasty that are soon to
    kick butt in the U.S. National COllegiate Athletic
    Association (NCAA) tournament...

    You heard it here first. Place your bets early and often...



    Bruce

    On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:01:30 +0800 Facilitated Solutions
    <tedebear@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:

    > At 11:14 2/03/99 Timothy DeGroot wrote:
    > >I'd like to know who the "we" is in this posting. How many in "we" is
    > >important since many schools I know of using 1000 student classes have
    > >one prof and a few TAs running the show. How can those people be
    > >expected to grade the load suggested in this post?
    >
    > And Bruce Clemens wrote:
    > As a Lady Vol afficiando, IN YOUR FACE!!!
    >
    > You guys have totally lost me. Viz-a-viz:
    > 1) I haven't a clue what a TA is. Could this comment be an example of a
    > closed mind paradigm. Iif it is, then I'd interpret this as a moment of
    > truth and look at it as an opportunity to challenge this perception of
    > reality.
    >
    > As for the "we", WE is the 17 (seventeen) lecturers all running the SAME
    > lecture (i.e. the one for each week), therefore it works out at around 7
    > (i.e. seven) assignments each class to mark per week (i.e. every seven
    > days). I'm sure seven (i.e. 7) assignments per class per week is not too
    > hard to grade. In fact, it works out at around 70 minutes per class to
    > grade and yes, the quality of the papers improves as the semester develops.
    >
    > 2) Please translate Bruce Clemens' comment. I assume that it is positive
    > but ...
    >
    > Goodnight and sweet dreams (of little piles of grading due to a wonderful
    > course design).
    >
    > Alan :-)
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    > Professional Educator & Speaker
    > --------------------------------------------------

    --
    Bruce Clemens PhD PE
    Room 360 CISAT Tower (A-1)
    Mail Stop Code: 4102
    College of Integrated Science and Technology
    James Madison University
    Harrisonburg, VA 22807
    office: (540)568-8770
    home: (540)289-7755
    fax: (540)568-2768
    internet: clemenbw@jmu.edu
    http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/clemens.htm


  • 10.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-03-1999 09:54
    I'm glad we're all coming out of the closets. Do we have
    an entrepreneur among us willing to be incentivized to
    start a pool?

    Cheers..

    Bruce

    On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:06:41 -0500 Jay Spitulnik
    <jspitulnik@AEDINC.COM> wrote:

    > As I told Kim in a private response, the road to the top runs through
    > Storrs.
    >
    > > ----------
    > > From: Clemens, Bruce W[SMTP:clemenbw@JMU.EDU]
    > > Reply To: Management Education and Development Discussion
    > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:10 AM
    > > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > > Subject: Re: Research, Education, Praxis and Theory
    > >
    > > THe Lady VOls are the basketball dynasty that are soon to
    > > kick butt in the U.S. National COllegiate Athletic
    > > Association (NCAA) tournament...
    > >
    > > You heard it here first. Place your bets early and often...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Bruce
    > >
    > > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:01:30 +0800 Facilitated Solutions
    > > <tedebear@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:
    > >
    > > > At 11:14 2/03/99 Timothy DeGroot wrote:
    > > > >I'd like to know who the "we" is in this posting. How many in "we" is
    > > > >important since many schools I know of using 1000 student classes have
    > > > >one prof and a few TAs running the show. How can those people be
    > > > >expected to grade the load suggested in this post?
    > > >
    > > > And Bruce Clemens wrote:
    > > > As a Lady Vol afficiando, IN YOUR FACE!!!
    > > >
    > > > You guys have totally lost me. Viz-a-viz:
    > > > 1) I haven't a clue what a TA is. Could this comment be an example of
    > > a
    > > > closed mind paradigm. Iif it is, then I'd interpret this as a moment of
    > > > truth and look at it as an opportunity to challenge this perception of
    > > > reality.
    > > >
    > > > As for the "we", WE is the 17 (seventeen) lecturers all running the SAME
    > > > lecture (i.e. the one for each week), therefore it works out at around 7
    > > > (i.e. seven) assignments each class to mark per week (i.e. every seven
    > > > days). I'm sure seven (i.e. 7) assignments per class per week is not
    > > too
    > > > hard to grade. In fact, it works out at around 70 minutes per class to
    > > > grade and yes, the quality of the papers improves as the semester
    > > develops.
    > > >
    > > > 2) Please translate Bruce Clemens' comment. I assume that it is
    > > positive
    > > > but ...
    > > >
    > > > Goodnight and sweet dreams (of little piles of grading due to a
    > > wonderful
    > > > course design).
    > > >
    > > > Alan :-)
    > > > --------------------------------------------------
    > > > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    > > > Professional Educator & Speaker
    > > > --------------------------------------------------
    > >
    > > --
    > > Bruce Clemens PhD PE
    > > Room 360 CISAT Tower (A-1)
    > > Mail Stop Code: 4102
    > > College of Integrated Science and Technology
    > > James Madison University
    > > Harrisonburg, VA 22807
    > > office: (540)568-8770
    > > home: (540)289-7755
    > > fax: (540)568-2768
    > > internet: clemenbw@jmu.edu
    > > http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/clemens.htm
    > >

    --
    Bruce Clemens PhD PE
    Room 360 CISAT Tower (A-1)
    Mail Stop Code: 4102
    College of Integrated Science and Technology
    James Madison University
    Harrisonburg, VA 22807
    office: (540)568-8770
    home: (540)289-7755
    fax: (540)568-2768
    internet: clemenbw@jmu.edu
    http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/clemens.htm


  • 11.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-03-1999 11:42
    Alan's sleeping now, so I'll post quietly. ;-)

    You have an entirely different situation than we have here. I think it
    may be rare to find 17 lecturers teaching separate sections of any
    course in North America. For economic reasons, we are stuck with one
    lecturer handling the entire load, usually at one sitting often with
    video replay available. So the question remains: how can someone in
    this situation use written assignments as part of the course? I want to
    but it is impossible to do as Alan suggests because I would be grading
    all 17 x 7 papers per week, unless I dump it on my TAs.

    P.S. Alan: TAs are teaching assistants.

    Facilitated Solutions wrote:
    >
    > At 11:14 2/03/99 Timothy DeGroot wrote:
    > >I'd like to know who the "we" is in this posting. How many in "we" is
    > >important since many schools I know of using 1000 student classes have
    > >one prof and a few TAs running the show. How can those people be
    > >expected to grade the load suggested in this post?
    >
    > And Bruce Clemens wrote:
    > As a Lady Vol afficiando, IN YOUR FACE!!!
    >
    > You guys have totally lost me. Viz-a-viz:
    > 1) I haven't a clue what a TA is. Could this comment be an example of a
    > closed mind paradigm. Iif it is, then I'd interpret this as a moment of
    > truth and look at it as an opportunity to challenge this perception of
    > reality.
    >
    > As for the "we", WE is the 17 (seventeen) lecturers all running the SAME
    > lecture (i.e. the one for each week), therefore it works out at around 7
    > (i.e. seven) assignments each class to mark per week (i.e. every seven
    > days). I'm sure seven (i.e. 7) assignments per class per week is not too
    > hard to grade. In fact, it works out at around 70 minutes per class to
    > grade and yes, the quality of the papers improves as the semester develops.
    >
    > 2) Please translate Bruce Clemens' comment. I assume that it is positive
    > but ...
    >
    > Goodnight and sweet dreams (of little piles of grading due to a wonderful
    > course design).
    >
    > Alan :-)
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    > Professional Educator & Speaker
    > --------------------------------------------------

    --
    *****************************************************************
    Timothy DeGroot Ph: 905-525-9140 ext. 27430
    Assistant Professor of HRM Fax: 905-521-8995
    MGD School of Business degroott@mcmaster.ca
    McMaster University
    Hamilton, ON. L8S 4M4
    http://www.business.mcmaster.ca/hrlr/profs/degroott/
    *****************************************************************


  • 12.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-03-1999 15:48
    Thought this bit of levity sent by a friend by be enjoyed by all.

    Ed
    Drive On!

    ------------Pasted Message------------------------

    In the wake of the Exxon/Mobil deal and the AOL/Netscape deal, here
    are
    the latest mergers we can expect to see:

    Hale Business Systems, Mary Kay Cosmetics, Fuller Brush, and W.R.
    Grace
    Company merge to become Hale Mary Fuller Grace.

    Polygram Records, Warner Brothers, and Keebler Crackers merge to
    become
    Polly-Warner-Cracker.

    3M and Goodyear merge to become MMMGood.

    John Deere and Abitibi-Price merge to become Deere Abi.

    Zippo Manufacturing, Audi Motors, Dofasco, and Dakota Mining merge to
    become Zip Audi Do Da.

    Honeywell, Imasco, and Home Oil merge to become Honey I'm Home.

    Denison Mines, and Alliance and Metal Mining merge to become Mine, All
    Mine.

    Knott's Berry Farm and the National Organization for Women merge to
    become Knott NOW.

    Brian <coprone@caltel.com>


  • 13.  Research, Education, Praxis and Theory

    Posted 03-03-1999 16:11
    Bruce and the list,

    Boy are you brave!! Aren't you soliciting gambling through interstate
    commerce, or something? Do you suppose the FCC and the FBI are reading our
    list. On the other hand, if the pool is on the "women's" tournament, we
    probably have Title IX protection!!!

    I appreciate the light tone of this thread.

    William


    >I'm glad we're all coming out of the closets. Do we have
    >an entrepreneur among us willing to be incentivized to
    >start a pool?

    >Cheers..

    >Bruce

    >On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:06:41 -0500 Jay Spitulnik
    ><jspitulnik@AEDINC.COM> wrote:

    >> As I told Kim in a private response, the road to the top runs through
    >> Storrs.
    >>
    >> > ----------
    >> > From: Clemens, Bruce W[SMTP:clemenbw@JMU.EDU]
    >> > Reply To: Management Education and Development Discussion
    >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:10 AM
    >> > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    >> > Subject: Re: Research, Education, Praxis and Theory
    >> >
    >> > THe Lady VOls are the basketball dynasty that are soon to
    >> > kick butt in the U.S. National COllegiate Athletic
    >> > Association (NCAA) tournament...
    >> >
    >> > You heard it here first. Place your bets early and often...
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Bruce
    >> >
    >> > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:01:30 +0800 Facilitated Solutions
    >> > <tedebear@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > > At 11:14 2/03/99 Timothy DeGroot wrote:
    >> > > >I'd like to know who the "we" is in this posting. How many in "we" is
    >> > > >important since many schools I know of using 1000 student classes have
    >> > > >one prof and a few TAs running the show. How can those people be
    >> > > >expected to grade the load suggested in this post?
    >> > >
    >> > > And Bruce Clemens wrote:
    >> > > As a Lady Vol afficiando, IN YOUR FACE!!!
    >> > >
    >> > > You guys have totally lost me. Viz-a-viz:
    >> > > 1) I haven't a clue what a TA is. Could this comment be an example of
    >> > a
    >> > > closed mind paradigm. Iif it is, then I'd interpret this as a moment of
    >> > > truth and look at it as an opportunity to challenge this perception of
    >> > > reality.
    >> > >
    >> > > As for the "we", WE is the 17 (seventeen) lecturers all running the SAME
    >> > > lecture (i.e. the one for each week), therefore it works out at around 7
    >> > > (i.e. seven) assignments each class to mark per week (i.e. every seven
    >> > > days). I'm sure seven (i.e. 7) assignments per class per week is not
    >> > too
    >> > > hard to grade. In fact, it works out at around 70 minutes per class to
    >> > > grade and yes, the quality of the papers improves as the semester
    >> > develops.
    >> > >
    >> > > 2) Please translate Bruce Clemens' comment. I assume that it is
    >> > positive
    >> > > but ...
    >> > >
    >> > > Goodnight and sweet dreams (of little piles of grading due to a
    >> > wonderful
    >> > > course design).
    >> > >
    >> > > Alan :-)
    >> > > --------------------------------------------------
    >> > > Alan Wilson ~ Facilitated Solutions
    >> > > Professional Educator & Speaker
    >> > > --------------------------------------------------
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > Bruce Clemens PhD PE
    >> > Room 360 CISAT Tower (A-1)
    >> > Mail Stop Code: 4102
    >> > College of Integrated Science and Technology
    >> > James Madison University
    >> > Harrisonburg, VA 22807
    >> > office: (540)568-8770
    >> > home: (540)289-7755
    >> > fax: (540)568-2768
    >> > internet: clemenbw@jmu.edu
    >> > http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/clemens.htm
    >> >

    >--
    >Bruce Clemens PhD PE
    >Room 360 CISAT Tower (A-1)
    >Mail Stop Code: 4102
    >College of Integrated Science and Technology
    >James Madison University
    >Harrisonburg, VA 22807
    >office: (540)568-8770
    >home: (540)289-7755
    >fax: (540)568-2768
    >internet: clemenbw@jmu.edu
    >http://www.isat.jmu.edu/faculty/clemens.htm

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