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  • 1.  Maslow & Motivation

    Posted 03-24-1999 16:46
    Several people have commented about Maslow (not "Masloff") basing his
    theory of motivation on his experience with therapy patients. I don't
    believe he ever was a therapist, nor do I think he ever claimed he was.
    His writings were based on research with people who demonstrated (at
    least to him) a satisfaction with self and life that often resulted in
    unusual accompllishments, i.e., from his point of view, they were
    "self-actualizers". He wanted to present an alternative to the
    "problem-oriented" psychology heavily dominated at that time by
    psychoanalytic thinking that focused exclusively on weakness and
    illness. His approach highlighted people's strengths and resources, a
    theme that characterized the Humanistic movement of the 60's which he
    supported.

    As Larry Pate underscored in his comments, Maslow was an ardent
    proponent of research, both of his and competing theories. And, in
    fact, he argued in class that the function of theory was to motivate
    (that word again) others to produce research in support of or in
    opposition to stated theory. Whether his theory has explanatory value
    or not,
    an effect it still has, as evidenced by recent comments in these
    postings, is to stimulate thinking about motivation.

    In agreement with many comments made, I also believe that his theory of
    motivation is only a piece of the puzzle and, no doubt, a small piece.
    However, have we really considered Maslow's zeitgeist as backdrop to his
    theories? If I recall that period when I was in undergraduate
    (Brandeis) and graduate school, system thinking in psychology was only
    beginning to emerge, process theories were only forming, psychoanalysis
    was the rage, and life was simple (at least in retrospect). It seems to
    me that zeitgeist contributes to the framing of theory (both content and
    process) and that successive zeitgeists reframe old theory and the
    issues they attempt to explain.

    For that time and for the trends Maslow was exposed to, his theory made
    sense. That it lacks explanatory power today ..... well, what theory in
    social science does persist in its original form?

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  • 2.  Maslow & Motivation

    Posted 03-24-1999 18:12
    Maslow's labels for "self-esteem" and "self-actualization" (as replacements for his earlier "dominance-feeling" and "ego-level" terms for the confident leader, in sharp contrast to the "slinking cowardice" of lower-status followers) originally emerged from his (mis-)interpretations neither of therapy patients -- he didn't have patients -- nor of unusually accomplished people, but rather of primate colonies at a zoo in Madison, Wisc.
    See, for example, Frans de Waal (Chronicle of Higher Ed., April 10, 1998) and Dallas Cullen (Organization, August 1997), who argue compellingly that Maslow fundamentally misunderstood what he saw in those 40's monkey colonies, with the result that the motivation chapters of our textbooks continue to emphasize issues of hierarchical power, autonomy and domination and underemphasize social interaction, interdependency, coalition-building, collaboration and political alliances.
    These critical studies, now added to a half-century of failed searches for signs of explanatory value, make one wonder how long we'll continue to make his name and his ideas the only ones our alumni recognize....

    J

    At 15:46 -0600 3/24/99, Bernard Liebowitz, PhD wrote:
    >Several people have commented about Maslow (not "Masloff") basing his
    >theory of motivation on his experience with therapy patients. I don't
    >believe he ever was a therapist, nor do I think he ever claimed he was.
    >His writings were based on research with people who demonstrated (at
    >least to him) a satisfaction with self and life that often resulted in
    >unusual accompllishments, i.e., from his point of view, they were
    >"self-actualizers". He wanted to present an alternative to the
    >"problem-oriented" psychology heavily dominated at that time by
    >psychoanalytic thinking that focused exclusively on weakness and
    >illness. His approach highlighted people's strengths and resources, a
    >theme that characterized the Humanistic movement of the 60's which he
    >supported.
    >
    >As Larry Pate underscored in his comments, Maslow was an ardent
    >proponent of research, both of his and competing theories. And, in
    >fact, he argued in class that the function of theory was to motivate
    >(that word again) others to produce research in support of or in
    >opposition to stated theory. Whether his theory has explanatory value
    >or not,
    >an effect it still has, as evidenced by recent comments in these
    >postings, is to stimulate thinking about motivation.
    >
    >In agreement with many comments made, I also believe that his theory of
    >motivation is only a piece of the puzzle and, no doubt, a small piece.
    >However, have we really considered Maslow's zeitgeist as backdrop to his
    >theories? If I recall that period when I was in undergraduate
    >(Brandeis) and graduate school, system thinking in psychology was only
    >beginning to emerge, process theories were only forming, psychoanalysis
    >was the rage, and life was simple (at least in retrospect). It seems to
    >me that zeitgeist contributes to the framing of theory (both content and
    >process) and that successive zeitgeists reframe old theory and the
    >issues they attempt to explain.
    >
    >For that time and for the trends Maslow was exposed to, his theory made
    >sense. That it lacks explanatory power today ..... well, what theory in
    >social science does persist in its original form?
    >
    >--
    >Bernard Liebowitz, PhD
    >Consultant & Advisor to Businesses
    >980 No. Michigan Avenue, Ste. 1400
    >Chicago, Il 60611
    >tel} 773/334-2003
    >fax} 773/334-2004
    >email} bernie@liebowitzassoc.com
    >web} www.liebowitzassoc.com


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  • 3.  Maslow & Motivation

    Posted 03-24-1999 19:26
    I hate to say it but there is no contemplating
    navels ala Maslow and others necessary...

    Motivation is easy at the college level.

    Earn a piece of paper and get paid a
    decent wage. No magic.

    Why not ask the student what they are
    interested in and how they learn best?
    Design instruction around students.

    I know too easy and no fun to contemplate
    quoting "experts." ;^P

    <shrug>

    Back to lurk mode.

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  • 4.  Maslow & Motivation

    Posted 03-24-1999 23:21
    YEAH! Well said. Should be end of subject, no?

    Edryce

    On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:25:43 -0500 "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@ICX.NET> writes:
    >I hate to say it but there is no contemplating
    >navels ala Maslow and others necessary...
    >
    >Motivation is easy at the college level.
    >
    >Earn a piece of paper and get paid a
    >decent wage. No magic.
    >
    >Why not ask the student what they are
    >interested in and how they learn best?
    >Design instruction around students.
    >
    >I know too easy and no fun to contemplate
    >quoting "experts." ;^P
    >
    ><shrug>
    >
    >Back to lurk mode.
    >
    >--
    >P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
    >Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
    >http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
    >mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
    >http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
    >~~ Jargon ~~ Any sufficiently advanced terminology
    >is indistinguishable from magic words. ;^P ~~ Daily Whale
    >


  • 5.  Maslow & Motivation

    Posted 03-24-1999 23:55
    P.A. Gantt wrote:

    > I hate to say it but there is no contemplating
    > navels ala Maslow and others necessary...
    >
    > Motivation is easy at the college level.
    >
    > Earn a piece of paper and get paid a
    > decent wage. No magic.

    Which is great if the student believes there is a place for them when
    they get the paper. And can foresee forward that far. A good swift
    kick from an angry parent over mis-spent $ doesn't hurt in all cases,
    either.

    > Why not ask the student what they are
    > interested in and how they learn best?

    Can they say, in a mode the instructor can work with?

    > Design instruction around students.

    Yup. Easier lectured than done, unfortunately.

    > I know too easy and no fun to contemplate
    > quoting "experts." ;^P

    "For every problem there is a simple solution. And it's wrong."
    Misquote from H. L. Menken.[snip]

    It was the contradictions to these statements by example that got me
    started on this quest for 'motivation.'

    I do agree that mis communication and mis-understanding between the
    would be motivators and motivatees is a major part of the issue. Henry
    Ford offered the $5 day in about 1914. But actually, he only offered it
    to those who passed the Sociology Department's (at Ford) inspection.
    One particular ethnic group passed very well, because they saved money,
    instead of sending it home. Mr. Ford didn't realize they were saving it
    to buy small stores and businesses, to get out from under his thumb.

    So maybe some of what we call instilling 'motivation' is really a desire
    to control/direct/ manipulate others.

    Jay
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