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  • 1.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-30-1999 06:54
    Dear MG-ED-DVers,

    I have just completed my Management degree in Australia, and then I dare
    myself to apply for a Rep Manager position in a public listed company dealing
    in selling Heavy Equipment Parts, eventhough I don't have any exprerience at
    all as a 1st Level Manager. Ironically, my application is successful. Perhaps
    the HR Manager is not prudent or have lack experience in recruiting. I should
    say: "Too good to be true", but it does happen to me anyway.

    Having said that, can listmembers and/or educators please give me advices on
    what should I do in order to survive the job. I really have no idea what
    should I do and what to do next when I get into this job for the first time.

    Thank you very much for your kind assistances.

    Awaiting your favorably reply.

    Kevin J. Easton



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  • 2.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-30-1999 08:07
    I don't understand why you ask the members of this list to do your homework
    for you. Start with doing a little searching on your own. Go to your
    nearest bookstore or university library and read everything you can about
    the industry and the job you've taken. Or explore the internet. Talk more
    with the HR person who hired you and get more information on what's expected
    in the job and what the high performers do. That should give you enough
    information to know what specific questions to ask here.

    Larry

    At 04:54 AM 3/30/99 MST, you wrote:
    >Dear MG-ED-DVers,
    >
    >I have just completed my Management degree in Australia, and then I dare
    >myself to apply for a Rep Manager position in a public listed company dealing
    >in selling Heavy Equipment Parts, eventhough I don't have any exprerience at
    >all as a 1st Level Manager. Ironically, my application is successful. Perhaps
    >the HR Manager is not prudent or have lack experience in recruiting. I should
    >say: "Too good to be true", but it does happen to me anyway.
    >
    >Having said that, can listmembers and/or educators please give me advices on
    >what should I do in order to survive the job. I really have no idea what
    >should I do and what to do next when I get into this job for the first time.
    >
    >Thank you very much for your kind assistances.
    >
    >Awaiting your favorably reply.
    >
    >Kevin J. Easton
    >
    >
    >
    >____________________________________________________________________
    >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
    >


  • 3.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-30-1999 09:25
    Kevin Easton asks an interesting question, ie., what does it take to be
    successful. I am sure everyone on the net has their own receipe. For me,
    the keys to being successful lie in figuring out how I can contribute to
    helping my organization and the people around me be successful. I think
    this requires first, knowing thyself (as the Oracle at Delphi would
    suggest). Then learning everything about your job, your organization, and
    your industry and connecting the dots. Two caveats: think future tense,
    not past; and recognize that hubris will be your greatest enemy the more
    successful you become.

    Let's hear those receipes.

    Kim

    At 04:54 AM 3/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
    >Dear MG-ED-DVers,
    >
    >I have just completed my Management degree in Australia, and then I dare
    >myself to apply for a Rep Manager position in a public listed company dealing
    >in selling Heavy Equipment Parts, eventhough I don't have any exprerience at
    >all as a 1st Level Manager. Ironically, my application is successful. Perhaps
    >the HR Manager is not prudent or have lack experience in recruiting. I should
    >say: "Too good to be true", but it does happen to me anyway.
    >
    >Having said that, can listmembers and/or educators please give me advices on
    >what should I do in order to survive the job. I really have no idea what
    >should I do and what to do next when I get into this job for the first time.
    >
    >Thank you very much for your kind assistances.
    >
    >Awaiting your favorably reply.
    >
    >Kevin J. Easton
    >
    >
    >
    >____________________________________________________________________
    >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
    >
    --------------------------------
    Kim Boal
    College of Business Administration
    Texas Tech University
    Lubbock, TX 79409
    (806) 742-2150
    KimBoal@ttu.edu


  • 4.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-30-1999 15:59
    Recipes for success:

    Secret of Failure, try 32 times: Secret of Success, try 33 times. (with
    thanks to Gil Gordon)
    If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got
    ... if you're lucky. (Dr Lyle Sussman)
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you
    win. (Mahatma Gandhi)
    He who dies with the most toys and no unread e-mail wins. (a technology
    company)
    and putting it all in perspective:
    Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.

    And then the challenge becomes how you anchor the glib one-liner within a
    personal reality ...

    (I like the idea of thinking in the future tense -- but does it help us do
    things now?)


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kim Boal <odkbb@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    Date: Wednesday, 31 March 1999 02:22
    Subject: Re: Getting the 1st Job


    >Kevin Easton asks an interesting question, ie., what does it take to be
    >successful. I am sure everyone on the net has their own receipe. For me,
    >the keys to being successful lie in figuring out how I can contribute to
    >helping my organization and the people around me be successful. I think
    >this requires first, knowing thyself (as the Oracle at Delphi would
    >suggest). Then learning everything about your job, your organization, and
    >your industry and connecting the dots. Two caveats: think future tense,
    >not past; and recognize that hubris will be your greatest enemy the more
    >successful you become.
    >
    >Let's hear those receipes.
    >
    >Kim
    >
    >At 04:54 AM 3/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
    >>Dear MG-ED-DVers,
    >>
    >>I have just completed my Management degree in Australia, and then I dare
    >>myself to apply for a Rep Manager position in a public listed company
    dealing
    >>in selling Heavy Equipment Parts, eventhough I don't have any exprerience
    at
    >>all as a 1st Level Manager. Ironically, my application is successful.
    Perhaps
    >>the HR Manager is not prudent or have lack experience in recruiting. I
    should
    >>say: "Too good to be true", but it does happen to me anyway.
    >>
    >>Having said that, can listmembers and/or educators please give me advices
    on
    >>what should I do in order to survive the job. I really have no idea what
    >>should I do and what to do next when I get into this job for the first
    time.
    >>
    >>Thank you very much for your kind assistances.
    >>
    >>Awaiting your favorably reply.
    >>
    >>Kevin J. Easton
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>____________________________________________________________________
    >>Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
    >>
    >--------------------------------
    >Kim Boal
    >College of Business Administration
    >Texas Tech University
    >Lubbock, TX 79409
    >(806) 742-2150
    >KimBoal@ttu.edu
    >


  • 5.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-30-1999 16:45
    At 04:54 AM 3/30/99 MST, you wrote:
    >Dear MG-ED-DVers,
    >
    >I have just completed my Management degree in Australia, and then I dare
    >myself to apply for a Rep Manager position in a public listed company dealing
    >in selling Heavy Equipment Parts, eventhough I don't have any exprerience at
    >all as a 1st Level Manager. Ironically, my application is successful. Perhaps
    >the HR Manager is not prudent or have lack experience in recruiting. I should
    >say: "Too good to be true", but it does happen to me anyway.
    >
    >Having said that, can listmembers and/or educators please give me advices on
    >what should I do in order to survive the job. I really have no idea what
    >should I do and what to do next when I get into this job for the first time.
    >

    If you are good enought to be hired..... perform at your best.... by the
    way, you are lucky.


    >Thank you very much for your kind assistances.
    >
    >Awaiting your favorably reply.
    >
    >Kevin J. Easton
    >
    >
    >
    >____________________________________________________________________
    >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
    >
    >


  • 6.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-30-1999 17:22
    Kevin,
    This isn't meant to sound as catty as it might at first appear, but my
    suggestion is that you firstly have a good look at the way you use the
    English language. If you are destined for a career in management (whether
    by design or by good luck) then you will have to communicate with a wide
    range of people in a lot of countries. If your written and (I presume)
    spoken word is not clear enough for people to both understand and respect
    then you will find much of what you do from now on to be much more
    difficult.

    You have an English sounding name and your audience will immediately
    suspect that your natural language is also English. It may not be, and only
    getting to know you will reveal that. But first impressions are always the
    most important, and will last the longest, therefore regardless of the
    equity of the situation you should concentrate on making this first
    impression the best that you can.

    For those who are about to attack me for a lack of sensitivity I must
    quickly point out that having left school at 13 I know how hard it is to
    overcome the discrimination that any perception of a less then perfect
    impression can have on someone starting their career.

    Good luck Kevin and if you ever need a friend we will always be here.


    Phil Rutherford
    Academic Director and Lecturer
    Competency-based systems specialist
    robnphil@ozemail.com.au
    http://www.competency-au.com


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    From: Kevin J.Easton <k.j.easton@USA.NET>
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: [MG-ED-DV] Getting the 1st Job
    Date: Tuesday, 30 March 1999 21:54

    Dear MG-ED-DVers,

    I have just completed my Management degree in Australia, and then I dare
    myself to apply for a Rep Manager position in a public listed company
    dealing
    in selling Heavy Equipment Parts, eventhough I don't have any exprerience
    at
    all as a 1st Level Manager. Ironically, my application is successful.
    Perhaps
    the HR Manager is not prudent or have lack experience in recruiting. I
    should
    say: "Too good to be true", but it does happen to me anyway.

    Having said that, can listmembers and/or educators please give me advices
    on
    what should I do in order to survive the job. I really have no idea what
    should I do and what to do next when I get into this job for the first
    time.

    Thank you very much for your kind assistances.

    Awaiting your favorably reply.

    Kevin J. Easton



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  • 7.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-31-1999 01:47
    I sent my comments to Kevin directly, but it is interesting to read other
    comments too.

    What I can say about language issues is that English is important in those
    regions of this small globe, where it is used to conduct daily activities,
    and, of course, it is very commonly used in international business.

    However, in this world, there are some many regions, where some different
    language from English is used. And what comes to a career in management,
    there are many managers who only communicate internally within their
    organizations and are often regionally very limited.

    Cheers,

    Markku


  • 8.  Getting the 1st Job

    Posted 03-31-1999 06:42
    Phillip,

    I like your overall comments. My complete name is: Kevin Jayanthi Easton. I
    must stress out that I have no intention at all to have an English impression.
    So, suspicious over whether your natural language is English or not, is deemed
    not necessary. That's the name given by my Dad. Does my sound English name
    with poor written English have any correlation with first impression? As well,
    I am just telling the truth about myself and about the HR Manager (doesn't
    mean to despise her).

    Well, let's get back to my problems:
    * I manage to IMPRESS the interviewer (HR Manager), so I get into the job. As
    a matter of fact, I like the job as well as the position very much, only I am
    so doubtful of my practical ability (theoretical ability is ok). In many
    occassions, textbook theory is not applicable in real world. Should I met a
    professional interviewer, I believe I wouldn't have much problems. At least I
    will be given so-called: "Job Description" and "Job Specification". Hence, I
    know what to do, what are their expectations on me, what are the company's
    objectives, etc.
    * The real problem is the organization doesn't hire a right recruiter. I
    foresee the problems ahead by the way she recruited the candidates, perhaps
    you have to work with your colleagues whose professionalism is also at doubt.
    I am just trying to anticipate for the worst.

    My question is: What should I do to cope with these worries? I know that
    "Worry does not remove the strength of today, but it removes the strength of
    tomorrow". So, how to survive my strength of tomorrow?

    Awaiting your comments.

    K.J. Easton

    - Peter Drucker -
    "Don't try to change yourself. Instead, concentrate on improving the skills
    you have and accepting assignments that are tailored to your individual way of
    working. If you do that, you can transform yourself from an ordinary worker
    into an outstanding performer."

    - Donald Trump -
    "As long as you're going to be thinking anyway, think BIG."


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Phillip Rutherford <robnphil@ozemail.com.au>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 5:22 AM
    Subject: Re: Getting the 1st Job


    > Kevin,
    > This isn't meant to sound as catty as it might at first appear, but my
    > suggestion is that you firstly have a good look at the way you use the
    > English language. If you are destined for a career in management (whether
    > by design or by good luck) then you will have to communicate with a wide
    > range of people in a lot of countries. If your written and (I presume)
    > spoken word is not clear enough for people to both understand and respect
    > then you will find much of what you do from now on to be much more
    > difficult.
    >
    > You have an English sounding name and your audience will immediately
    > suspect that your natural language is also English. It may not be, and only
    > getting to know you will reveal that. But first impressions are always the
    > most important, and will last the longest, therefore regardless of the
    > equity of the situation you should concentrate on making this first
    > impression the best that you can.
    >
    > For those who are about to attack me for a lack of sensitivity I must
    > quickly point out that having left school at 13 I know how hard it is to
    > overcome the discrimination that any perception of a less then perfect
    > impression can have on someone starting their career.
    >
    > Good luck Kevin and if you ever need a friend we will always be here.
    >
    >
    > Phil Rutherford
    > Academic Director and Lecturer
    > Competency-based systems specialist
    > robnphil@ozemail.com.au
    > http://www.competency-au.com


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