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  • 1.  action learning

    Posted 03-30-1999 15:37
    Dear List,

    Does any one out there have any experience either as a participant or as a
    learning advisor in an action learning set? If so, I would like to invite
    your input. I have a client group that would like to know what is the
    difference in dynamics of a group that has 3 set members and one that has 4
    set members? The best practice literature on action learning suggests a
    minimum of 4 members. If you were limited to only three members, how what
    would you do to address the limitation of size? Thanks for the help.

    Greg Robinson
    O.D. Consultant
    Williams
    Corporate Leadership, Learning and Performance
    918-573-2639


  • 2.  action learning

    Posted 04-01-1999 11:05
    Robinson, Gregory wrote:
    > Does any one out there have any experience either as a participant or as a
    > learning advisor in an action learning set? If so, I would like to invite
    > your input. I have a client group that would like to know what is the
    > difference in dynamics of a group that has 3 set members and one that has 4
    > set members? The best practice literature on action learning suggests a
    > minimum of 4 members. If you were limited to only three members, how what
    > would you do to address the limitation of size? Thanks for the help.

    There is a definite difference in dynamics between a set with 3 members
    versus having 4 members. I've facilitated about 15 sets over the past
    three years, and I direct an action learning program that has been
    associated with about 50 sets over that time. In my experience (and I
    hear from my facilitators) that sets need at least 4 members to be
    effective -- ideally 6 members. I've seen cases where 2 of the members
    to become close and detach from the 3rd member. Even with 4 members, the
    range and depth of questions is much less robust then a set with 6
    members. If a member of a 3-set group doesn't attend for whatever
    reason, the meeting time can be completely wasted. I think the biggest
    detriment of a 3-member set is that it becomes quite cozy, and does not
    include the extent of probing questioning and supportive challenges to
    support strong actions and growth. Obviously, the facilitator can try
    overcome these detractions in a 3-member set, but it's a major,
    continuing challenge.

    Bottom line: If you're faced with having either a 3-member set or not
    set at all, I'd have the 3-member set. But I'd:
    a) take a strong facilitator role to have the group reflect on its
    effective, including at the end of each meeting
    b) consider anonymous evaluation input to you, e.g., have each member
    provide you a one-page reflection on the quality of the group's process
    (action learning purists and many others would react strongly against
    this suggestion, I realize)
    c) look for more members to integrate into the set
    d) ensure each member regularly reports on what they want from the set
    in each meeting, what they're going to do to get it
    e) at the end of their time slot, do a quite roundtable where each
    person reflects on the quality of the process during that time slot

    I still think the action learning method is the most powerful,
    straightforward technique I've seen for management development.
    Unfortunately, it's so basic, straightforward and learner-driven that
    many trainers and developers don't adopt the method.

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  • 3.  action learning

    Posted 04-01-1999 12:24
    Carter,

    I really appreciate your response to my request. I know time is often at a
    premium. I was wondering if you had any recommendations for additional
    training or education around action learning other than the literature.
    Again, thanks for the help.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Carter McNamara [mailto:mcnam007@TC.UMN.EDU]
    Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:05 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: action learning


    Robinson, Gregory wrote:
    > Does any one out there have any experience either as a participant or as a
    > learning advisor in an action learning set? If so, I would like to invite
    > your input. I have a client group that would like to know what is the
    > difference in dynamics of a group that has 3 set members and one that has
    4
    > set members? The best practice literature on action learning suggests a
    > minimum of 4 members. If you were limited to only three members, how what
    > would you do to address the limitation of size? Thanks for the help.

    There is a definite difference in dynamics between a set with 3 members
    versus having 4 members. I've facilitated about 15 sets over the past
    three years, and I direct an action learning program that has been
    associated with about 50 sets over that time. In my experience (and I
    hear from my facilitators) that sets need at least 4 members to be
    effective -- ideally 6 members. I've seen cases where 2 of the members
    to become close and detach from the 3rd member. Even with 4 members, the
    range and depth of questions is much less robust then a set with 6
    members. If a member of a 3-set group doesn't attend for whatever
    reason, the meeting time can be completely wasted. I think the biggest
    detriment of a 3-member set is that it becomes quite cozy, and does not
    include the extent of probing questioning and supportive challenges to
    support strong actions and growth. Obviously, the facilitator can try
    overcome these detractions in a 3-member set, but it's a major,
    continuing challenge.

    Bottom line: If you're faced with having either a 3-member set or not
    set at all, I'd have the 3-member set. But I'd:
    a) take a strong facilitator role to have the group reflect on its
    effective, including at the end of each meeting
    b) consider anonymous evaluation input to you, e.g., have each member
    provide you a one-page reflection on the quality of the group's process
    (action learning purists and many others would react strongly against
    this suggestion, I realize)
    c) look for more members to integrate into the set
    d) ensure each member regularly reports on what they want from the set
    in each meeting, what they're going to do to get it
    e) at the end of their time slot, do a quite roundtable where each
    person reflects on the quality of the process during that time slot

    I still think the action learning method is the most powerful,
    straightforward technique I've seen for management development.
    Unfortunately, it's so basic, straightforward and learner-driven that
    many trainers and developers don't adopt the method.

    --
    ======================================================================
    Consultants -- Provide state-of-the-art problem solving
    Associations -- Provide powerful local networks for immediate results
    Trainers and Distance Learning Programs -- Enrich your courses and
    workshops
    Organization Members -- Get ongoing, highly focused advice anywhere in
    the country
    Low-risk solution: Leaders Circles --
    http://www.mapnp.org/library/circles/ldrscrcl.htm
    ======================================================================
    Free Nonprofit Managers' Library at http://www.mapnp.org/library for
    extensive, comprehensive and practical materials
    ======================================================================
    Free, self-directed, results-oriented, 12-course management training
    program at http://www.mapnp.org/library/mgmnt/mba_prog.htm
    ======================================================================


  • 4.  action learning

    Posted 04-07-1999 09:19
    How does one avoid being a "Mikey" in a
    "group" "team" "collaborative" situation?

    P.A. who is sick of being the only
    team member who ever seems to do anything.

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  • 5.  action learning

    Posted 04-07-1999 09:41
    P.A.

    The thought that comes to mind is that you should broach this subject
    with the team, openly and honestly.

    Something along the lines of: "I'm energized and enthused to work on
    this project. It seems to me that you're not as eager to get involved
    as I am and I'd like to discuss our perceptions of this project to see
    if there's a way you can get as charged up about it as I am. Are my
    perceptions fair, and if so, why?"

    Cordially,

    Doug

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  • 6.  action learning

    Posted 04-07-1999 10:29
    Hi, P.A., your message rang a bell with me and I wonder if I might offer a
    different perspective on the problem.

    I too often found myself doing a lion's share of work on teams -- but it was
    because I was a terrible team worker. Honest! I tend to push people into
    dealing with problems the way I think is best and I argue for my point of
    view. Not surprisingly, I ended up doing a lot of the group's work --
    rightly so, since I was usually the one that decided what we are going to
    do.

    I complained about the teams I was on to a wise person one day and he said:
    What do you do that makes them treat you that way and why don't you stop it?

    It really shocked me! BTW, I'm still a poor teamworker, but I solved the
    problem by staying away from teams :)

    I don't mean to infer that you are to blame here, but maybe my bad example
    will be useful to you.

    Ted
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: P.A. Gantt <pgantt@ICX.NET>
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 9:17 AM
    Subject: Re: action learning


    >How does one avoid being a "Mikey" in a
    >"group" "team" "collaborative" situation?
    >
    >P.A. who is sick of being the only
    >team member who ever seems to do anything.
    >
    >--
    >P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
    >Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
    >http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
    >mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
    >http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
    >~~ Jargon ~~ Any sufficiently advanced terminology
    >is indistinguishable from magic words. ;^P ~~ Daily Whale


  • 7.  action learning

    Posted 04-07-1999 12:43
    P.A. Gantt wrote:

    > How does one avoid being a "Mikey" in a
    > "group" "team" "collaborative" situation?
    >
    > P.A. who is sick of being the only
    > team member who ever seems to do anything.

    1) Nobody seems to work around here by me and thee, and I'm not sure
    of thee.

    2) This list group held quite a discussion last month on how to
    individually grade team projects. See the archive for it, or ask Kim
    Boal, who had some lengthy words on it. Kim?

    3) Most of my graduate work was spent in a laboratory, developing
    bright thoughts and numbers by myself, with occasional discussions with
    a prof. Well, maybe I did mostly the numbers by myself. My almost
    first assignment in industry was a charge from mgt to 5 of us in one
    room, from divergent divisions/departments. They didn't care if one
    person worked and the others waited. They didn't care that I knew
    virtually nothing of the problem or solution potentials. I wound up
    writing the reports and making the presentations, things I did know how
    to do.

    Mgt did care that the team worked together, well enough to find a
    solution. Although it wasn't obvious, they also cared that everyone got
    along well enough that they could assign each of us to another team for
    the next crisis. They cared that some technical person guided them, or
    they knew ahead of time, what technologies were necessary and who could
    provide it, so they could get a decent collection of 5 people to focus
    on their problem. As low seniority person, I was a guess (I think),
    although my theoretical training fitted the problem well.

    In order for mgt to have this information, they must have some
    feedback/input from the troops in the trenches on who is working and how
    it is going. I suspect this is not always done well, unfortunately.
    Certainly, mgt's view on "who is doing all the work" will be different
    than that of the troops. I was careful not to claim any excess credit
    in those reports I wrote. They were team reports, not mine. Management
    probably valued the communications more than we who were doing 'the
    work' did.

    So how do you avoid doing all the work, assuming that you do indeed do
    most of it? Make sure the report states your authorship of those parts
    you did. Make the presentations to those managers who show up, at least
    on those parts you do. If you are the only one standing up with
    something substantive to say, it will become obvious quickly to any
    observant manager. If you pull a manager aside later for a quiet talk,
    you may be seen as a back-biting credit grubber, or even
    'uncooperative.' Prove your competence with your blinding powerful
    ability. If mgt doesn't see it, can you speak to them about why? Get
    some pointers on how you can shine appropriately?

    Of course, there is always 'the bomb.' Submit your resignation, see how
    badly they want to keep you. Reality check time.

    Jay
    PS My cynical self can hardly believe I said those things above.
    Managers see only the surface glitz, not the core good work. Managerial
    preconceptions will easily overpower facts, as any number of studies on
    racial/ethnic preconceptions show repeatedly. When you find some
    objective managers, let me know.
    --
    Jay Warner
    Principal Scientist
    Warner Consulting, Inc.
    4444 North Green Bay Road
    Racine, WI 53404-1216
    USA

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  • 8.  action learning

    Posted 04-08-1999 09:07
    I agree entirely with Carter's analysis.

    I recently worked as facilitator of a set of four, and one left. Our
    solution was for me to join the group as a learner, and for the group to
    self-facilitate. It worked well on this occasion - very valuable for me.

    Dn't know if there's any mileage in this for you?
    Best wishes
    Geoff Atkinson
    Director, MLI Ltd. - Developing Human Capital


  • 9.  Action Learning

    Posted 09-20-2004 19:55
    We are about to start off a small "reflective practice group" based on Reg
    Revans' model of action learning sets. The participants are all researchers
    concerned with the social/human aspects of complex problematic situations
    (e.g., ethical issues around Forensic DNA database management; human dimension
    of sustainability in relation to farming practices; how should human sewage
    sludge be dealt with; etc). Does anyone know of a recent publication
    (preferably reasonably short, say up to 6 pages in length), not necessarily
    written from an academic perspective, that lays out what action learning is and
    how it works in practice? If so, I would be very grateful to hear from you and
    to share the info I get with the list.

    Best wishes,

    Wendy

    --
    Dr Wendy Gregory
    Visiting Researcher
    Business School
    University of Hull
    Hull HU6 7RX
    Britain

    Address for mail:
    Dr Wendy Gregory
    Senior Advisor, Systems Science
    Institute for Environmental Science and Research
    PO Box 29-181
    Christchurch
    New Zealand
    E-mail: wendy.gregory@esr.cri.nz


  • 10.  Action Learning

    Posted 09-21-2004 10:28
    Close to home is http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/gcm/ar/arp/actlearn.html

    > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:54:46 +0100
    > From: Wendy Gregory <W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk>
    > Subject: Action Learning
    >
    > We are about to start off a small "reflective practice group" based on Reg
    > Revans' model of action learning sets. The participants are all
    researchers
    > concerned with the social/human aspects of complex problematic situations
    > (e.g., ethical issues around Forensic DNA database management; human
    dimension
    > of sustainability in relation to farming practices; how should human
    sewage
    > sludge be dealt with; etc). Does anyone know of a recent publication
    > (preferably reasonably short, say up to 6 pages in length), not
    necessarily
    > written from an academic perspective, that lays out what action learning
    is and
    > how it works in practice? If so, I would be very grateful to hear from you
    and
    > to share the info I get with the list.
    >
    > Best wishes,
    >
    > Wendy
    >
    > --
    > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > Visiting Researcher
    > Business School
    > University of Hull
    > Hull HU6 7RX
    > Britain
    >
    > Address for mail:
    > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > Senior Advisor, Systems Science
    > Institute for Environmental Science and Research
    > PO Box 29-181
    > Christchurch
    > New Zealand
    > E-mail: wendy.gregory@esr.cri.nz
    >
    > ------------------------------
    >
    > End of MG-ED-DV Digest - 19 Sep 2004 to 20 Sep 2004 (#2004-141)
    > ***************************************************************
    >
    >


  • 11.  Action Learning

    Posted 09-21-2004 10:45
    Charles Margerison has written several excellent articles on action research
    that draw from the Revans model, such as:

    http://www.management-degrees.com/action-learning-articles.htm

    http://www.teammanagementsystems.com/tms10x.html

    http://www.viprojects.com/accreditation.html

    Hope this helps.

    Larry Pate


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Jack Ring
    Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:28 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Action Learning

    Close to home is http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/gcm/ar/arp/actlearn.html

    > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:54:46 +0100
    > From: Wendy Gregory <W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk>
    > Subject: Action Learning
    >
    > We are about to start off a small "reflective practice group" based on
    > Reg Revans' model of action learning sets. The participants are all
    researchers
    > concerned with the social/human aspects of complex problematic
    > situations (e.g., ethical issues around Forensic DNA database
    > management; human
    dimension
    > of sustainability in relation to farming practices; how should human
    sewage
    > sludge be dealt with; etc). Does anyone know of a recent publication
    > (preferably reasonably short, say up to 6 pages in length), not
    necessarily
    > written from an academic perspective, that lays out what action
    > learning
    is and
    > how it works in practice? If so, I would be very grateful to hear from
    > you
    and
    > to share the info I get with the list.
    >
    > Best wishes,
    >
    > Wendy
    >
    > --
    > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > Visiting Researcher
    > Business School
    > University of Hull
    > Hull HU6 7RX
    > Britain


  • 12.  Action Learning

    Posted 09-21-2004 17:26
    Thanks Jack. Yes, I am aware of Bob Dick's work in Oz, and of the ALARPM network
    down here. Strange that I didn't think to have a look on Bob's website!! ;-)
    Wendy


    Quoting Jack Ring <jring@amug.org>:

    > Close to home is http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/gcm/ar/arp/actlearn.html
    >
    > > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:54:46 +0100
    > > From: Wendy Gregory <W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk>
    > > Subject: Action Learning
    > >
    > > We are about to start off a small "reflective practice group" based on Reg
    > > Revans' model of action learning sets. The participants are all
    > researchers
    > > concerned with the social/human aspects of complex problematic situations
    > > (e.g., ethical issues around Forensic DNA database management; human
    > dimension
    > > of sustainability in relation to farming practices; how should human
    > sewage
    > > sludge be dealt with; etc). Does anyone know of a recent publication
    > > (preferably reasonably short, say up to 6 pages in length), not
    > necessarily
    > > written from an academic perspective, that lays out what action learning
    > is and
    > > how it works in practice? If so, I would be very grateful to hear from you
    > and
    > > to share the info I get with the list.
    > >
    > > Best wishes,
    > >
    > > Wendy
    > >
    > > --
    > > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > > Visiting Researcher
    > > Business School
    > > University of Hull
    > > Hull HU6 7RX
    > > Britain
    > >
    > > Address for mail:
    > > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > > Senior Advisor, Systems Science
    > > Institute for Environmental Science and Research
    > > PO Box 29-181
    > > Christchurch
    > > New Zealand
    > > E-mail: wendy.gregory@esr.cri.nz
    > >
    > > ------------------------------
    > >
    > > End of MG-ED-DV Digest - 19 Sep 2004 to 20 Sep 2004 (#2004-141)
    > > ***************************************************************
    > >
    > >
    >


  • 13.  Action Learning

    Posted 09-21-2004 13:13
    Is this URL right? It wouldn't load!

    William Sharbrough

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Jack Ring
    Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:28 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Action Learning


    Close to home is http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/gcm/ar/arp/actlearn.html

    > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:54:46 +0100
    > From: Wendy Gregory <W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk>
    > Subject: Action Learning
    >
    > We are about to start off a small "reflective practice group" based on Reg
    > Revans' model of action learning sets. The participants are all
    researchers
    > concerned with the social/human aspects of complex problematic situations
    > (e.g., ethical issues around Forensic DNA database management; human
    dimension
    > of sustainability in relation to farming practices; how should human
    sewage
    > sludge be dealt with; etc). Does anyone know of a recent publication
    > (preferably reasonably short, say up to 6 pages in length), not
    necessarily
    > written from an academic perspective, that lays out what action learning
    is and
    > how it works in practice? If so, I would be very grateful to hear from you
    and
    > to share the info I get with the list.
    >
    > Best wishes,
    >
    > Wendy
    >
    > --
    > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > Visiting Researcher
    > Business School
    > University of Hull
    > Hull HU6 7RX
    > Britain
    >
    > Address for mail:
    > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > Senior Advisor, Systems Science
    > Institute for Environmental Science and Research
    > PO Box 29-181
    > Christchurch
    > New Zealand
    > E-mail: wendy.gregory@esr.cri.nz
    >
    > ------------------------------
    >
    > End of MG-ED-DV Digest - 19 Sep 2004 to 20 Sep 2004 (#2004-141)
    > ***************************************************************
    >
    >


  • 14.  Action Learning

    Posted 09-21-2004 13:41
    Yes, it's correct.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of William C. Sharbrough
    Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:13 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: Action Learning

    Is this URL right? It wouldn't load!

    William Sharbrough

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Jack Ring
    Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:28 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Action Learning

    Close to home is http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/gcm/ar/arp/actlearn.html

    > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:54:46 +0100
    > From: Wendy Gregory <W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk>
    > Subject: Action Learning
    >
    > We are about to start off a small "reflective practice group" based on
    > Reg Revans' model of action learning sets. The participants are all
    researchers
    > concerned with the social/human aspects of complex problematic
    > situations (e.g., ethical issues around Forensic DNA database
    > management; human
    dimension
    > of sustainability in relation to farming practices; how should human
    sewage
    > sludge be dealt with; etc). Does anyone know of a recent publication
    > (preferably reasonably short, say up to 6 pages in length), not
    necessarily
    > written from an academic perspective, that lays out what action
    > learning
    is and
    > how it works in practice? If so, I would be very grateful to hear from
    > you
    and
    > to share the info I get with the list.
    >
    > Best wishes,
    >
    > Wendy
    >
    > --
    > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > Visiting Researcher
    > Business School
    > University of Hull
    > Hull HU6 7RX
    > Britain
    >
    > Address for mail:
    > Dr Wendy Gregory
    > Senior Advisor, Systems Science
    > Institute for Environmental Science and Research
    > PO Box 29-181
    > Christchurch
    > New Zealand
    > E-mail: wendy.gregory@esr.cri.nz


  • 15.  Action learning

    Posted 09-21-2004 17:02
    It worked for me.



    Ralph W. Parrish, Ph.D.

    Management Department

    University of Central Oklahoma

    Edmond, Oklahoma

    Pho (405) 974-2812