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  • 1.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 04:34
    I am normally more of a "listener" than contributor to this list, and being
    German probably doesn't help in the humour department, but I can't help
    myself and want to comment on the postings below.

    Robert Bacal wrote:

    > > I need some help with posting to this group. I've always been
    > > hesitant to post a number of crossposted announcements, links, etc,
    > > to MG-ED-DV, particularly if it isn't in response to a request.

    Charles Wankel replied:

    > I have been concerned about this. Dutch Driver has apologized and assures
    > me that he not post jokes or non-management education and development
    links
    > etc. any more to the list. Certainly JOKES are not welcome (there are
    > better forums for them). Before anyone posts, the key thing to consider
    is
    > whether the posting is related to management education or management
    > development directly.

    I've been thinking carefully about whether this posting is management
    development related or not, and have decided that it is.

    Plentiful research (and I won't quote here) suggests that humour is a very
    necessary form of communication between individuals. It has been shown in
    studies that humour actually improves work performance, and work
    satisfaction.

    Anecdotal evidence from the UK suggests that humour (an integral part of
    British society, believe me, I lived there) leads to greater social
    cohesion, facilitating and improving team work and well-being of individuals
    in the work place (and any other place, of course).

    In my varied work experience I have come across a variety of organisations
    that have taken widely differing views on the matter of humour at the
    workplace. The German companies I worked for were certainly more
    conservative in allowing humour at work as a means of group interaction. The
    British companies I worked for were almost the opposite extreme, in that
    humour was not only allowed, but an almost "necessary" condition for group
    interaction. And from my personal point of view, I found the latter working
    environment far better for my well-being than the first (which is why I
    moved out of Germany in the first place).

    Now that I run an organisation myself, and am responsible for the well-being
    of my staff, I have adopted a very positive attitude towards humour. In our
    office, the exchange of JOKES and general humorous comments is a normal way
    of life. And believe me, my staff and myself would not want it any other
    way.

    Interestingly, the Irish have a slightly differing form of humour from the
    British (and I know this is generalising across vastly differing cultures of
    the Welsh, English, and Scottish), and a certain form known as "slagging" is
    in general use.

    Humour in my experience serves as a safety vent; it allows to voice
    frustrations in an non-threatening way, it allows criticism, or indeed
    serves as a social bonding technique (where the group actually develops its
    own "humour" codes and rules).

    I remind you of the Jester in old times, that was a vital element of every
    court.

    In the light of this said, let me re-quote Charles:

    > Dutch Driver has apologised and assures
    > me that he not post jokes or non-management education and development
    links
    > etc. any more to the list.

    Here is an individual pressured into apologising for attempts at social
    bonding through the medium of electronic messages.

    > Certainly JOKES are not welcome (there are
    > better forums for them).

    And here is an individual that attempts to prescribe rules of interaction
    for a large group of individuals.

    The electronic medium as a form of co-operation between individuals is
    fairly new compared to the age old ways of communicating between individuals
    or groups of individuals. However, the rules of engagement are made up as we
    go along. And I for one certainly am a proponent of humour, not an opponent,
    and would welcome humorous postings, so long as they are related to the
    subject field that list members are interested in.

    I find Dilbert irresistible and a great contemporary critique of modern
    office life. But then I also love the Simpsons and Southpark, and find them
    to be a great contemporary critique of life, and maybe I just like a laugh.
    Not that that last comment had anything to do with my earlier ramblings on.
    I just fancied it.

    Regards,

    Stefan


  • 2.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 07:14
    On 16 Apr 99 at 9:06, Ted Rosen, Ph.D. wrote:

    > Must agree with Stefan about the need for humor. The trouble is
    > that so many people are uptight about being "PC" (politically
    > correct for the non-Americans), that humor is lost and considered
    > offensive by many.
    >
    > Robert Bacal's problem is unique. But, let's not take ourselves
    > totally seriously either.

    Actually I don't have a problem, I had a question which has been
    answered.

    Perhaps people don't know this but there are a number of lists and
    services you can sign up for to receive daily humor posts to your
    private mailbox. (In fact, some of the reposts come from those lists)

    Robert Bacal, author of PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT,(McGraw-Hill). Details at
    http://members.xoom.com/perform and http://members.xoom.com/cooperate.
    "Performance management - about people and creating success"=
    Join the Performance Management/Appraisal discussion group by sending an email to perfmgt-subscribe@egroups.com
    Visit the Perf. Management/Appraisal Resource Center at http://members.xoom.com/perform/index.htm


  • 3.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 07:35
    Stefan,
    Dutch's apology came because the jokes were posted reportedly through a
    glitch in his mailing software after previous requests not to post jokes. I
    did not demand an apology, Dutch offered it voluntarily.
    Like every decision on what the culture of virtual community, this one is
    controversial. Yikes! I don't mind jokes--just NOT in mg-ed-dv. Many
    people subscribe to the digest version and adding such stuff helps to
    overload some people's limits. Also, when people search the archive the
    vocabulary of the joke might result in it becoming an inadverent retrieval.
    But most centrally, mg-ed-dv is NOT a joke list (there certainly are enough
    of those though). People subscribe to mg-ed-dv to get management education
    and management development related ideas. How's this for a compromise:
    management education or executive development related jokes/humor can be
    posted. But, jokes unrelated to the subject matter of our virtual community
    should not be posted. (By the bye, some of the jokes that management
    professors think are funny are god awful and old t'boot! I believe that the
    evidence shows that management professors hear jokes about a year after they
    begin the rounds. I guess management professors are too insular to think of
    reading the (London) Spectator or the New Yorker magazine for humor. Yikes!
    Isn't watching the NATO spokesmen on CNN explain how blowing up refugee
    convoys isn't so terrible in the scheme of things diverting enough.)
    Cybercollegially,
    Charlie Wankel
    listmaster mg-ed-dv
    wankelc@stjohns.edu

    (Another virtual tempest in our virtual teapot).

    Stefan our German friend in Ireland wrote:

    > In the light of this said, let me re-quote Charles:
    > > Dutch Driver has apologised and assures
    > > me that he not post jokes or non-management education and development
    > links
    > > etc. any more to the list.
    >
    > Here is an individual pressured into apologising for attempts at social
    > bonding through the medium of electronic messages.
    >
    > > Certainly JOKES are not welcome (there are
    > > better forums for them).
    >
    > And here is an individual that attempts to prescribe rules of interaction
    > for a large group of individuals.


  • 4.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 07:54
    > Dutch's apology came because the jokes were posted reportedly through a
    > glitch in his mailing software after previous requests not to post jokes. I
    > did not demand an apology, Dutch offered it voluntarily.

    <grin>

    > of those though). People subscribe to mg-ed-dv to get management education
    > and management development related ideas. How's this for a compromise:
    > management education or executive development related jokes/humor can be
    > posted.

    <no problemo, thought that what *was* posted...>

    > (Another virtual tempest in our virtual teapot).

    I thought our tempest started his on list. <frown>

    Another non-issue, issue put to rest...

    BTW Charlie and Dutch are doing a fine job.

    Thanks to Charlie for his fair and sometimes thankless
    job moderating. Charlie, you are appreciated!

    eHumor anyone? visit:

    http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/etech/course/eguide/ehumor/

    Personal fave:
    badday.

    Enjoy, happy end of semester during the burn-mode on high.
    Without humor I would be even more exhausted.

    --
    P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
    Electronic Media Design and Support
    http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
    [the Internet] could remain what it ought to be:
    just a public instrument. There ought to be efforts --
    not just talk but real efforts -- to ensure Internet
    access, not just for rich people but for everyone.
    ~~ Noam Chomsky ~~


  • 5.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 08:01
    Make that OWN sorry...

    Not enough coffee and tired as all get out ;^{

    > > (Another virtual tempest in our virtual teapot).
    >
    > I thought our tempest started his *own* list. <frown>
    >
    > Another non-issue, issue put to rest...

    --
    P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
    Electronic Media Design and Support
    http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
    [the Internet] could remain what it ought to be:
    just a public instrument. There ought to be efforts --
    not just talk but real efforts -- to ensure Internet
    access, not just for rich people but for everyone.
    ~~ Noam Chomsky ~~


  • 6.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 09:06
    Must agree with Stefan about the need for humor. The trouble is that so many
    people are uptight about being "PC" (politically correct for the
    non-Americans), that humor is lost and considered offensive by many.

    Robert Bacal's problem is unique. But, let's not take ourselves totally
    seriously either.

    As Auntie Mame once said: "Life's a banquet and too many s_ns of b_tch_s are
    out there starving."

    Enjoy the banquet!

    Ted Rosen, Ph.D.


  • 7.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 15:15
    On 17 Apr 99 at 8:51, Phil Rutherford wrote:

    > Aside from the comments about the Simpsons and Southpark (:-)) I
    > have to agree with Stefan. While I agree that humour has its place
    > (and, yes, it isn't always appropriate), I would be disappointed if
    > the world-wide bond being developed between subscribers of this (and
    > any other) list was to be regulated and disciplined to fit in with
    > the personal likes or dislikes of one or two people. If I had five
    > cents for every posting that I personally have not agreed with,
    > either in context or form, then I could fly to those countries and
    > inform the subscriber/s face to face.

    Phil, I have a suggestion. On this list the person who made/makes the
    decisions is the list owner/moderator, so maybe people who want to
    comment on such a decision should to so to him?

    This conversation, in less than 24 hours has moved from a simple
    request regarding what I could post to a discussion of whether jokes
    are ok to whether humor is a good thing in life!

    It's pretty amazing--the drift in the conversation and the additional
    volume the drift has created.


    Robert Bacal, author of PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT,(McGraw-Hill). Details at
    http://members.xoom.com/perform and http://members.xoom.com/cooperate.
    "Performance management - about people and creating success"=
    Join the Performance Management/Appraisal discussion group by sending an email to perfmgt-subscribe@egroups.com
    Visit the Perf. Management/Appraisal Resource Center at http://members.xoom.com/perform/index.htm


  • 8.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-16-1999 18:52
    Aside from the comments about the Simpsons and Southpark (:-)) I have to agree
    with Stefan. While I agree that humour has its place (and, yes, it isn't always
    appropriate), I would be disappointed if the world-wide bond being developed
    between subscribers of this (and any other) list was to be regulated and
    disciplined to fit in with the personal likes or dislikes of one or two people.
    If I had five cents for every posting that I personally have not agreed with,
    either in context or form, then I could fly to those countries and inform the
    subscriber/s face to face.

    To me the occasional humour is both entertaining and a break from the many
    serious discussions that cross this electronic path. However, in the wider
    scheme of things whether we enjoy it or not is really only a minor glitch and
    not, to me anyway, worth getting upset about.

    Let the humour continue and get away from sweating the little stuff, eh? There
    are many more important things going on out there far more worthy of our
    combined attention.

    Regards

    Phil Rutherford

    Stefan Bungart wrote:

    > I am normally more of a "listener" than contributor to this list, and being
    > German probably doesn't help in the humour department, but I can't help
    > myself and want to comment on the postings below.
    >
    > Robert Bacal wrote:
    >
    > > > I need some help with posting to this group. I've always been
    > > > hesitant to post a number of crossposted announcements, links, etc,
    > > > to MG-ED-DV, particularly if it isn't in response to a request.
    >
    > Charles Wankel replied:
    >
    > > I have been concerned about this. Dutch Driver has apologized and assures
    > > me that he not post jokes or non-management education and development
    > links
    > > etc. any more to the list. Certainly JOKES are not welcome (there are
    > > better forums for them). Before anyone posts, the key thing to consider
    > is
    > > whether the posting is related to management education or management
    > > development directly.
    >
    > I've been thinking carefully about whether this posting is management
    > development related or not, and have decided that it is.
    >
    > Plentiful research (and I won't quote here) suggests that humour is a very
    > necessary form of communication between individuals. It has been shown in
    > studies that humour actually improves work performance, and work
    > satisfaction.
    >
    > Anecdotal evidence from the UK suggests that humour (an integral part of
    > British society, believe me, I lived there) leads to greater social
    > cohesion, facilitating and improving team work and well-being of individuals
    > in the work place (and any other place, of course).
    >
    > In my varied work experience I have come across a variety of organisations
    > that have taken widely differing views on the matter of humour at the
    > workplace. The German companies I worked for were certainly more
    > conservative in allowing humour at work as a means of group interaction. The
    > British companies I worked for were almost the opposite extreme, in that
    > humour was not only allowed, but an almost "necessary" condition for group
    > interaction. And from my personal point of view, I found the latter working
    > environment far better for my well-being than the first (which is why I
    > moved out of Germany in the first place).
    >
    > Now that I run an organisation myself, and am responsible for the well-being
    > of my staff, I have adopted a very positive attitude towards humour. In our
    > office, the exchange of JOKES and general humorous comments is a normal way
    > of life. And believe me, my staff and myself would not want it any other
    > way.
    >
    > Interestingly, the Irish have a slightly differing form of humour from the
    > British (and I know this is generalising across vastly differing cultures of
    > the Welsh, English, and Scottish), and a certain form known as "slagging" is
    > in general use.
    >
    > Humour in my experience serves as a safety vent; it allows to voice
    > frustrations in an non-threatening way, it allows criticism, or indeed
    > serves as a social bonding technique (where the group actually develops its
    > own "humour" codes and rules).
    >
    > I remind you of the Jester in old times, that was a vital element of every
    > court.
    >
    > In the light of this said, let me re-quote Charles:
    >
    > > Dutch Driver has apologised and assures
    > > me that he not post jokes or non-management education and development
    > links
    > > etc. any more to the list.
    >
    > Here is an individual pressured into apologising for attempts at social
    > bonding through the medium of electronic messages.
    >
    > > Certainly JOKES are not welcome (there are
    > > better forums for them).
    >
    > And here is an individual that attempts to prescribe rules of interaction
    > for a large group of individuals.
    >
    > The electronic medium as a form of co-operation between individuals is
    > fairly new compared to the age old ways of communicating between individuals
    > or groups of individuals. However, the rules of engagement are made up as we
    > go along. And I for one certainly am a proponent of humour, not an opponent,
    > and would welcome humorous postings, so long as they are related to the
    > subject field that list members are interested in.
    >
    > I find Dilbert irresistible and a great contemporary critique of modern
    > office life. But then I also love the Simpsons and Southpark, and find them
    > to be a great contemporary critique of life, and maybe I just like a laugh.
    > Not that that last comment had anything to do with my earlier ramblings on.
    > I just fancied it.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Stefan


  • 9.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-18-1999 12:27
    Stefan Bungart wrote:
    >
    > I am normally more of a "listener" than contributor to this list, and being
    > German probably doesn't help in the humour department, but I can't help
    > myself and want to comment on the postings below.
    >
    >

    Dear Stefan--
    I really enjoyed your response to the commentary about humor. I find it
    hard to believe that people can't just delete what they don't
    want---particularly since "humor" is in the subject line in most cases.
    I loved the McDonald's application, both as a mother of kids who have
    worked in fast food places and as an HR professional. (By the way, I
    once had a parent fill out an application for a child to attend a school
    I was the director of in this way: The blank for "sex" was filled in
    not "M" or "F", but "It is discussed.") Most of us have increasingly
    demanding jobs and work lives---humor is, in my opinion, not only
    desirable, but essential. Thanks for your excellent and thoughtful
    response. (P.S.---I have a new email address at work---this one is home
    only. Work is Kirsten.j.asta@boeing.com)

    Kirsten


  • 10.  Sense of Humour or Not?

    Posted 04-21-1999 09:44
    Ted Rosen quoted Auntie Mame: "Life's a banquet and too many s_ns of
    b_tch_s are
    out there starving." Enjoy the banquet!

    I think it was at a C.W. Metcalf humor seminar that I heard the quote
    attributed to someone's grandmother: "If you ain't got a sense of
    humor, you ain't got no sense at all."

    I enjoy the messages that (1) contain humor, and/or (2) are jokes
    clearly labeled as such in the subject line.

    I always thought the two universal languages were food and laughter. We
    can't dine collectively, but I like sharing a good chuckle with my "list
    friends and colleagues."
    Cheers,
    Susie

    --
    H. Susie Coddington, Ph.D., Coddington Learning Co.
    5251 Patriot Lane, Ste. C., Columbia, MD 21045
    410.992.9563 HS.Coddington@jhu.edu
    Learning Never Ends . . .