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  • 1.  "leading" versus "managing" - to explain myself ...

    Posted 04-21-1999 12:18
    Kim Boal states:
    Dear Carter, Lou Pondy once said that until you knew what you were
    willing
    to profess, you did not deserve the title of Professor. I guess you
    qualify.

    Carter replies:
    Ouch! I'm not sure how to take that. I thought my message did imply what
    I was "professing". I'll try be more clear in the following. I think
    "leading" and "managing" are highly integrated.

    I view the basics of leading as creating (or playing a strong role in)
    creating vision and overall goals, communicating the vision and goals,
    and motivating and guiding others to follow the vision and goals. I'll
    qualify that there are all sorts of associated competencies, e.g.,
    mentoring, coaching, facilitating, delegating, etc. And there are all
    sorts of leadership styles that carry out these basics in different
    ways. And there are all sorts of ways at looking at the dynamics of the
    leading/follower relationship, e.g., one can't be a leader without
    having followers, etc.

    I profess that "leading" (in an organization) is one of the major,
    overall functions of management, along with planning, organizing and
    controlling (that last word gets a bad rap lately, in part, because of
    how the word sounds). I recognize that my view is rather traditional.
    However, after 20 years as a practicing leader and manager (I'm not a
    Professor) and after my doctoral research on leadership, I still come to
    the conclusion that leading and managing are highly integrated.

    I don't think that (in general) someone can be a truly effective
    organizational leader without competencies in planning, organizing and
    controlling (there's that word again). The problem of Founder's Syndrome
    is very good evidence of that (see
    http://www.mapnp.org/library/misc/founders.htm). I don't think that
    someone can be an effective manager (planner, organizer and controller)
    without skills in visioning, communicating, influencing, motivating,
    etc.

    I think the view (myth?) that "leading" is quite separate from
    "managing" is a result, at least in part, from the large amount of
    recent management literature that a) focuses on leadership, b) focuses
    only on executive-level leadership, and c) ignores the necessary
    operational aspects of converting (often very grand) visions to reality.
    I think this literature also spawns the illusion that leadership occurs
    only at the executive levels of management.

    In fact, some of the most enlightening experiences I've had about
    leadership has come from experiencing and and learning from first- and
    middle-levels of management. First-level supervisors often show
    tremendous leadership. I hope that management literature and studies
    focus more on this someday.


  • 2.  "leading" versus "managing" - to explain myself ...

    Posted 04-21-1999 13:19
    Carter

    The following quote is where I have a deep philosophical difference with
    you.

    >I profess that "leading" (in an organization) is one of the major,
    >overall functions of management,

    You view leading as part of managing. I believe that we should view
    managing as part of leading, especially at the senior levels in organizations.

    Your thoughts are much appreciated and I have enjoyed the debate on leading
    and managing.

    Glenn


    W. Glenn Rowe, Ph.D.
    Associate Professor of Strategic Management
    and, Director, Centre for Management Development
    Faculty of Business Administration
    Memorial University of Newfoundland
    St. John's, NF, A1B 3X5
    709 737 7977 or 4363
    709 739 9148 (H)
    709 737 7999 (FAX)


  • 3.  "leading" versus "managing" - to explain myself ...

    Posted 04-21-1999 13:28
    Dear Carter, I meant to imply that you deserved the title of "Professor"
    because you knew what you were professing. Gouldner wrote about the myth
    of the value free Minotaur many years ago. His point was that academics
    bring their values to their research, whether or not they recognized or
    acknowledged them. Claerly, I bring my values to these posts. What is
    important is that both I and the reader be aware of this so that both of us
    are cognizant of inherent biases implicit in any of my posts.

    Best, Kim


    11:18 AM 4/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
    >Kim Boal states:
    >Dear Carter, Lou Pondy once said that until you knew what you were
    >willing
    >to profess, you did not deserve the title of Professor. I guess you
    >qualify.
    >
    >Carter replies:
    >Ouch! I'm not sure how to take that. I thought my message did imply what
    >I was "professing". I'll try be more clear in the following. I think
    >"leading" and "managing" are highly integrated.
    >
    >I view the basics of leading as creating (or playing a strong role in)
    >creating vision and overall goals, communicating the vision and goals,
    >and motivating and guiding others to follow the vision and goals. I'll
    >qualify that there are all sorts of associated competencies, e.g.,
    >mentoring, coaching, facilitating, delegating, etc. And there are all
    >sorts of leadership styles that carry out these basics in different
    >ways. And there are all sorts of ways at looking at the dynamics of the
    >leading/follower relationship, e.g., one can't be a leader without
    >having followers, etc.
    >
    >I profess that "leading" (in an organization) is one of the major,
    >overall functions of management, along with planning, organizing and
    >controlling (that last word gets a bad rap lately, in part, because of
    >how the word sounds). I recognize that my view is rather traditional.
    >However, after 20 years as a practicing leader and manager (I'm not a
    >Professor) and after my doctoral research on leadership, I still come to
    >the conclusion that leading and managing are highly integrated.
    >
    >I don't think that (in general) someone can be a truly effective
    >organizational leader without competencies in planning, organizing and
    >controlling (there's that word again). The problem of Founder's Syndrome
    >is very good evidence of that (see
    >http://www.mapnp.org/library/misc/founders.htm). I don't think that
    >someone can be an effective manager (planner, organizer and controller)
    >without skills in visioning, communicating, influencing, motivating,
    >etc.
    >
    >I think the view (myth?) that "leading" is quite separate from
    >"managing" is a result, at least in part, from the large amount of
    >recent management literature that a) focuses on leadership, b) focuses
    >only on executive-level leadership, and c) ignores the necessary
    >operational aspects of converting (often very grand) visions to reality.
    >I think this literature also spawns the illusion that leadership occurs
    >only at the executive levels of management.
    >
    >In fact, some of the most enlightening experiences I've had about
    >leadership has come from experiencing and and learning from first- and
    >middle-levels of management. First-level supervisors often show
    >tremendous leadership. I hope that management literature and studies
    >focus more on this someday.
    >
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    Kim Boal
    College of Business Administration
    Texas Tech University
    Lubbock, TX 79409
    (806) 742-2150
    KimBoal@ttu.edu