I have loved reading this discussion as up until now I felt guilty about
my messy desk. Now I am feeling so positive about it and look at it with
pride. I could not agree more with Mark and Schon about the 'messy low
lands' being the place where all the rich data is. To William, George,
Mark and all the other messy people you have made my day.
Norah
Ps problem I now have is that my email files are also a little bit messy
Professor Norah Jones
Head of The Centre for Excellence in Learning and Teaching
University of Glamorgan
CF37 1DL
Tel 01443 654094
email
njones2@glam.ac.uk
http://learning.weblog.glam.ac.uk
http://celt.glam.ac.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Management Education and Development Discussion
[mailto:
MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of M.P.Fenton-OCreevy
Sent: 25 January 2007 11:45
To:
MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Subject: Re: Another fine mess!
Of course working with mess may go weel beyond the confines of our
offices. I am a great fan of Law's book "After method: Mess in social
science research" It is a good read as well as genuinely illuminating
about method. There is a google preview at
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=E20X7N0nBfQC&oi=fnd&pg=RA1-PA
1&sig=Ihhpo6c-3MH0fdI5xbBaja-UCw4&dq=law+theory+messes#PPP1,M1
Mark Fenton-O'Creevy
Open University
-----Original Message-----
From: Management Education and Development Discussion
[mailto:
MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of William Sharbrough
Sent: 24 January 2007 22:12
To:
MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Subject: Re: Another fine mess!
If you're one of us "messy" people, and have a graduate student come in
your office and "clean up" over the weekend without you knowing it,
you'll know what happened to short term productivity in this office. I
now have standing orders not to straighten things up.
But, like George, I haven't been able to convince my wife yet.
William Sharbrough
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:48:33 +0000
George Downie <
GDownie@BOURNEMOUTH.AC.UK> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I must say I agree. During the time I worked in the commercial world,
> and now I'm in academia, I've always held the view that a degree of
> untidiness actually helped me function more effectively. My
> productivity tends to drop off when trying to adhere to the clean desk
> policies so beloved of some colleagues. How much of this is down to
> individual personality and how much is generalisable however is I
> would suggest a moot point.
>
> Sadly my wife certainly doesn't subscribe to my "filling at your
feet"
> paradigm.....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion
> [mailto:
MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
> Sent: 24 January 2007 13:14
> To:
MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
> Subject: Another fine mess!
>
>
>
> I think the below article excerpt might spark discussion in some
> classes.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sara Isaac, "Solange Dao wishes she were neater," Orlando
Sentinel,
> January 24, 2007. From:
>
>
>
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-messy2407jan24,0,3784976.s
> to
> ry
>
>
>
> Her desk at her small engineering firm in Orlando has so many
piles
> of paper on it that she has turned an adjacent chair into an
> additional "filing" area.
>
>
>
> "This morning I had an interview come in, and he walked in and I
kind
> of turned around and looked at my desk and I thought, 'He must think
> I'm crazy,' " Dao said.
>
>
>
> Not only is Dao not crazy -- she's exhibiting good business
sense,
> according to Columbia University management professor Eric Abrahamson.
>
>
>
> Yes, it's January -- National Get Organized Month and
International
> Business Resolutions Month. But in their new book, A Perfect Mess,
> Abrahamson and co-author David H. Freedman say most people
> -- and businesses -- shouldn't waste time resolving to be more neat,
> efficient and orderly.
>
>
>
> The authors have a better solution to mess:
>
>
>
> "Don't feel guilty about it," Abrahamson said.
>
>
>
> Forget cleanliness is next to godliness. If you take the emotion
out
> of the messiness equation, much of what looks like mess -- like Dao's
> desk -- actually is quite orderly if you take a closer look ....
>
>
>
> More importantly, organization has costs, in terms of time and
> resources. And the unrecognized benefits from mess include
> inventiveness, flexibility and even efficiency, they say.
>
>
>
> A Perfect Mess carries that argument to the home as well. The
price
> of order may be time spent nagging the kids or money spent on a
> housekeeping service. Meanwhile, a refrigerator cluttered with sports
> schedules and party invitations can be more efficient than a filing
> system where obligations may quickly be not only out of sight, but out
> of mind.
>
>
>
> For many small businesses, messy offices, messy schedules and
messy
> management systems can keep the company nimble and focused on
> important priorities such as customers and growth, Abrahamson said.
>
>
>
> "People say, well, order is better," he said. "But how much is
it
> costing you to get that order, and is it paying off?"
>
>
>
> Busy entrepreneurs rightly spend their limited time where
needed, he
> added.
>
>
>
> "They're growing. They're producing. They're not sitting around
at
> their desks organizing."
>
>
>
> Abrahamson and Freedman's arguments in favor of mess include a
myriad
> of examples that touch on everything from aircraft assembly to autism.
>
>
>
> Penicillin, for example, was discovered because mold landed on
an
> open petri dish in a messy lab. A Nobel Prize in medicine grew from a
> scientist drawing a connection between two unrelated documents on his
> stupendously messy desk.
>
>
>
> Abrahamson knows that he is swimming upstream. Our culture
highly
> values order, and it will take more than one book to change that.
>
>
>
> But a survey in A Perfect Mess found that two-thirds of people
> reported being somewhat to very embarrassed about their messiness.
> That means America is a nation of messy people who are obsessed with
> the idea of being neat.
>
>
>
> Abrahamson emphasized that the book is promoting moderate mess,
and
> that the acceptable level of mess depends on individual personalities
> and business situations (you wouldn't want a disorganized brain
> surgeon, for example).
>
>
>
> As for Dao, she confesses that her system works for her. She
knows
> where everything is on her desk, and she doesn't have to get up and
> hunt through files for documents when clients call.
>
>
>
> Besides, between running Dao Consultants and juggling a frenzied
> slate of volunteer commitments -- from serving on Orlando's Board of
> Zoning Adjustment to holding down the vice presidency of the Tau Beta
> Pi national engineering honor society -- Dao just doesn't have time to
> neatly label and file the deluge of documents that constantly pours
> across her desk.
>
>
>
> Really, who does?
>
>
>
> "Every time I walk into someone's office that's almost too neat,
with
> no papers on the desk and the pencils all lined up, I think, 'When do
> you work?' " Dao said.
>
William C. Sharbrough, Ph.D.
Associate Professor and Management & Marketing Division Head School of
Business Administration The Citadel, Charleston, SC
william.sharbrough@citadel.edu O: 843.953.5164 F:843.953.6764