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Why, Randall, just consider Bacal's comments An Attachment and move on.

On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 "Randall W. Kindley" wrote RE: a sad commentary about
some participants on this list
>
>The following message was sent to me by Robert Bacal. I am really frustrated
>and angered by this reaction and the words used at me. What is the
>appropriate action of the group?
>
>
>On 24 Nov 99, at 11:22, Randall W. Kindley wrote:
>
>> Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
>> enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
>> yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
>> other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
>> performance by moving on!!
>
>Randall, clearly you do NOT understand the implications and
>associated issues, and quite frankly, I don't have the time for
>ignorant pissants who have never run a list, and have no sense of
>the damage large attachments can do.
>
>Get your head out of your ass, and go learn a few things about the
>internet.
>
>
>Bookmark the search for anything page - websites, email addresses,
>books,newsgroups, lists.
>http://www.escape.ca/~rbacal/search.htm
>
>______________________
>
>Randall W. Kindley The Performance Group
>President 5215 45th Ave. S.
>V: 612-721-6752 Minneapolis MN 55417-2334
>F: 847-589-5231 www.performgroup.net
>kindley@dialupnet.com
>
>"Building High Performance Organizations by
> Developing People and Processes"
>
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>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:06:36 -0600
>From: Larry Pate <lpate@BUS.WISC.EDU>
>Subject: a sad commentary about some participants on this list
>
>Thanks for informing this list of the rude message you received from Bacal.
>Charlie Wankel, our list manager, is probably the appropriate person to
>address rude and insulting remarks like his if it occurs on the list. Off
>list, while unfortunate, not much can be done about it. I'm sorry to hear
>that anyone on our list chooses to say such rude and insulting things to
>others. Whatever Bacal's problem is, it clearly runs much deeper than
>anything you had to say in your initial message.
>
>Larry
>
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>>From: kindley@DIALUPNET.COM
>>Subject: [MG-ED-DV] a sad commentary about some participants on this list
>>To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
>>
>>The following message was sent to me by Robert Bacal. I am really frustrated
>>and angered by this reaction and the words used at me. What is the
>>appropriate action of the group?
>>
>>
>>On 24 Nov 99, at 11:22, Randall W. Kindley wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
>>> enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
>>> yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
>>> other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
>>> performance by moving on!!
>>
>>Randall, clearly you do NOT understand the implications and
>>associated issues, and quite frankly, I don't have the time for
>>ignorant pissants who have never run a list, and have no sense of
>>the damage large attachments can do.
>>
>>Get your head out of your ass, and go learn a few things about the
>>internet.
>>
>>
>>Bookmark the search for anything page - websites, email addresses,
>>books,newsgroups, lists.
>>http://www.escape.ca/~rbacal/search.htm
>>
>>______________________
>>
>>Randall W. Kindley The Performance Group
>>President 5215 45th Ave. S.
>>V: 612-721-6752 Minneapolis MN 55417-2334
>>F: 847-589-5231 www.performgroup.net
>>kindley@dialupnet.com
>>
>>"Building High Performance Organizations by
>> Developing People and Processes"
>>
>
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>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:59:30 -0600
>From: Dick Copeland <padre@TEXAS.NET>
>Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
>
>At 11:22 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, Randall wrote:
>>Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
>>enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
>>yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
>>other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's boost our
>>performance by moving on!!
>
>Randall I couldn't agree with you less. I download lots of mulitmedia at
>the office, but on the road my modem is only 14.4K which means my phone
>time can be astronomical when attachments come unsolicited. Speaking for
>myself, please do me the courtesy of asking you send me _any_ attachment.
>It's too late if it's already taken my compter five minutes to download it.
>
>Dick Copeland
>San Antonio, Texas
>
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>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:15:45 -0800
>From: Tobi Lytle <Tobi@NEWPARADIGMS.NET>
>Subject: Re: a sad commentary about some participants on this list
>
>I've seen enough.
>I want off this list.
>
>How do I Unsubscribe again?
>
>Thanks.
>
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>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:32:45 -0600
>From: "Randall W. Kindley" <kindley@DIALUPNET.COM>
>Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
>
>Yep. Gotcha. I think a major issue is the flexibility of listservs. I like
>getting attachments and can do a lot of filtering with MS Outlook. But there
>are a number of other programs out there that may not do this. It would be
>nice, for instance, if we could easily select options so that, kind of like
>the reply versus reply to button, we could select attachments or not. I just
>despair of seeing the technology not used to its potential.
>
>______________________
>
>Randall W. Kindley The Performance Group
>President 5215 45th Ave. S.
>V: 612-721-6752 Minneapolis MN 55417-2334
>F: 847-589-5231 www.performgroup.net
>kindley@dialupnet.com
>
>"Building High Performance Organizations by
> Developing People and Processes"
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Management Education and Development Discussion
>> [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Dick Copeland
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 11:59 AM
>> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
>> Subject: Re: brochure.pdf
>>
>>
>> At 11:22 AM 11/24/1999 -0600, Randall wrote:
>> >Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated
>> issues well
>> >enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not
>> agree with
>> >yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something
>> >other than ascii text is very useful and is now essential. Let's
>> boost our
>> >performance by moving on!!
>>
>> Randall I couldn't agree with you less. I download lots of mulitmedia at
>> the office, but on the road my modem is only 14.4K which means my phone
>> time can be astronomical when attachments come unsolicited. Speaking for
>> myself, please do me the courtesy of asking you send me _any_ attachment.
>> It's too late if it's already taken my compter five minutes to
>> download it.
>>
>> Dick Copeland
>> San Antonio, Texas
>
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>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:41:27 -0500
>From: IAN SMITH <smit@SPRINT.CA>
>Subject: Re: a sad commentary about some participants on this list
>
>This is getting out of hand. Opinions were stated, people got offended,
>lick your wounds and let's move on.
>
>Ian
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tobi Lytle [SMTP:Tobi@NEWPARADIGMS.NET]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:16 PM
>To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
>Subject: Re: a sad commentary about some participants on this list
>
>I've seen enough.
>I want off this list.
>
>How do I Unsubscribe again?
>
>Thanks.
>
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>Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:41:55 +1300
>From: Bevis England <bevis@VOYAGER.CO.NZ>
>Subject: Filters for attachments
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>You can set Outlook Express' Inbox Assistant to filter incoming =
>messages. One of the filters is size related. Messages over a size you =
>specify can be deleted from the server (i.e. not downloaded). They can =
>also trigger an automatic reply message to the sender. You could say =
>"Message too large to be received. To communicate with me, please =
>restrict future messages to less than xx Kb." However, neither of these =
>steps will directly act to reduce congestion on the net -- that can only =
>be done by the sender of the message. We all have responsibilities.
>
>And a word about sensitivities and language: some of the nicest words, =
>used in the nicest of ways, can be just as insulting and upsetting than =
>some of the worst words used in the worst way. Would you rather be told =
>you had an Oedipus complex or that you were a m--f--? It means the =
>same, the latter simply tells you more about the sender's state of mind. =
> And if you've spent your working life relying on and using email and =
>IP, being told to drag yourself into the future could be very insulting. =
> Think about it. Personally, I'd rather be told I was a 'pissant' =
>(since it's not a word in my vocabulary and I don't know its meaning) =
>than that I didn't know what I was talking about by someone who should =
>know better. =20
>
>Should we try to boost our personal performance by restricting the =
>ability of the medium we all rely on to perform? Ensure that we use all =
>the bells and whistles while slowing everything down for everyone else? =
>It's like driving a tank, so we can get to our destination regardless =
>despite the damage we do to the road; a little bit of consideration from =
>all concerned will make sure we get there, even in a mini. And it =
>smacks of anarchy and selfishness.
>
>The moderator of this list (and others) has requested that attachments =
>not be used, that original messages be removed when replying except =
>where essential (you don't repeat everything else in a conversation, or =
>enclose copies of all previous correspondence with your letters, do =
>you?), and that messages be sent in 'plain text' not email.
>
>There are rules. They do need to be followed. If that upsets some =
>people, they can leave the list or start their own. If it restricts =
>their ability to communicate, I feel sorry for them.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bevis E.
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>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:47:00 -0500
>From: Kristin Lamoureux <klamo@EROLS.COM>
>Subject: Re: a sad commentary about some participants on this list
>
>I just joined this listserv but I see that this is not the kind of mature
>conversation I intended. What really surprises me is that you all have
>this much
>time to concern yourselves with such small issues.Ý
>Could someone let me know how to unsubscribe to this list?
>
>"Randall W. Kindley" wrote:
>
>> The following message was sent to me by Robert Bacal. I am really frustrated
>> and angered by this reaction and the words used at me. What is the
>> appropriate action of the group?
>>
>> On 24 Nov 99, at 11:22, Randall W. Kindley wrote:
>>
>> > Oh Bacal, come on. I think we know the internet and associated issues well
>> > enough! I know I do and earlier posted a message that would not agree with
>> > yours. Smell the coffee! Join us in the next millenium! Sharing something

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