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  • 1.  Climate and Culture

    Posted 11-28-1999 09:14
    Regarding Pam Wyess' inquiry about distinction between climate and
    culture...all I can do is share the distinction I make and I do make
    one. (Probably because when I was first trained as an OD consultant we
    used to make use of climate surveys and they weren't culture surveys.)

    To me, culture refers loosely to "the way things work around here" (all the
    formal and informal rules, norms, customs, etc.). Because culture is the
    product of formal and informal arrangements, it is partly open to
    interventions from management but it is also partly immune to such
    interventions. The formal organization never completely controls the
    informal organization and the informal organization is never completely
    free from the restraints and constraints of the formal organization.

    Climate, to me, refers to the atmosphere in the organization, the way the
    company feels at any point in time. An organization's atmosphere or
    climate might be filled throughout with dread or despair or exuberance and
    excitement or these and other labels for the way people in general are
    feeling about the organization might be clustered in pockets scattered
    about the organization. (Culture, too, varies throughout the organization;
    the folks in Research, for example, typically have different rules, norms,
    customs, sanctions and expectations than the folks in Operations and both
    these differ from Sales and Marketing.)

    Culture and climate, then, vary throughout the organization.

    The climate in an organization can and does change regularly and quickly;
    the culture is slow to change.

    The climate in an organization can be sensed very quickly; it takes a while
    to get a read on an organization's culture.

    Finally, climate is a key indicator, culture is a core characteristic or
    quality.

    Those are the main distinctions I make between culture and climate. I hope
    y'all find them interesting and perhaps useful.
    --

    Fred Nickols
    The Distance Consulting Company
    "Assistance at A Distance"
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    nickols@worldnet.att.net
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  • 2.  Climate and Culture

    Posted 11-29-1999 09:44
    Fred Nickols offered his comments to distinguish climate from culture. One
    of the interesting (and problematic) things about the English language
    involves using a word in difference contexts.

    If the context of weather, I learned that 'climate is what you expect, but
    weather is what you get.' That is, the climate changes more slowly than
    the weather. In the context of organizations, however, I might suggest
    that 'culture is what you expect, but climate is what you get.' That is,
    the -culture- changes more slowly than the climate.

    Michael A
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  • 3.  climate and culture

    Posted 11-29-1999 10:31
    Fred's distinction between climate and culture is pretty on-target with the
    academic literature on the subject-- culture representing the underlying
    values and assumptions of an organization, with climate more of a surface
    manifestation of the underlying values. For a thorough treatment of the
    distinction you might check out the following article:

    Denison, D. R. (1996). What IS the Difference Between Organizational
    Culture and Orgnaizational Climate? A Native's Point of View on a Decade of
    Paradigm Wars. Academy of Management Review, 21, 619-654.

    Doug Pugh

    S. Douglas Pugh, Ph.D. 619-594-0214 (phone)
    Assistant Professor 619-594-1332 (fax)
    Industrial/Organizational Psychology dpugh@sunstroke.sdsu.edu
    Department of Psychology
    San Diego State University
    San Diego, CA 92182-4611


  • 4.  climate and culture

    Posted 12-03-1999 09:16
    Dear All,

    I'm a PhD student looking at organisational culture. I'm familiar with
    Denison's work . Any body know of:

    1) Other techniques of culture measurement
    2) Critiques thereof

    Regards

    Brian Smith


  • 5.  climate and culture

    Posted 12-04-1999 02:47
    > From Brian Smith <BrianDSmith@COMPUSERVE.COM>
    > I'm a PhD student looking at organisational culture.

    PhD students: Would you mind identifying what PhD program you are in when you
    ask for help like this?
    Compuserv.com doesn't give a clue
    --
    Prof. John Naman Katz Graduate School of Business, University of Pittsburgh


  • 6.  climate and culture

    Posted 12-04-1999 17:27
    Brian

    You might look at the following:

    Cultures in organizations:Three perspectives. JoAnne Martin. Oxford. 1992

    The organizational culture perspective. J. Ott. Dorsey. 1989.

    Both of these are research grounded and highlight a number of significant
    issues and viewpoints for dealing with the culture concept.


    Luke

    Luke Novelli, Jr., Ph.D.
    Principal & Chief of Intellectual Capital
    Innovation Resources Group
    2618 Battleground Avenue, Suite 307
    Greensboro, NC 27408
    Phone & Fax 336-218-0093


  • 7.  climate and culture

    Posted 12-05-1999 03:11
    Dear All,

    Many thanks for the varied and useful responses I've had regarding
    corporate culture.

    One response ( Prof. John Naman) helpfully pointed out that it would be
    useful to identify myself more fully, so here it is.

    I'm a PhD student at Cranfield University, one of the top ranked business
    schools in the UK. My thesis area concerns the effectiveness of strategic
    planning processes and part of that concerns the congruence between
    strategy formation processes and organisational culture. My supervisor is
    Professor Malcolm McDonald.

    If any one is interested in corresponding with me on the subject without
    bothering the rest of the group , please feel free to email me on either

    briandsmith@compuserve.com

    or

    b.smith@cranfield.ac.uk

    Regards

    Brian Smith


  • 8.  climate and culture

    Posted 12-06-1999 12:11
    I like Edgar Schein, "Organizational culture and change". If my memory serves
    me well, he suggests ways to evaluate and measure organizational cultures.

    Jose Gavidia

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    Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 4:27 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: climate and culture

    Brian

    You might look at the following:

    Cultures in organizations:Three perspectives. JoAnne Martin. Oxford. 1992

    The organizational culture perspective. J. Ott. Dorsey. 1989.

    Both of these are research grounded and highlight a number of significant
    issues and viewpoints for dealing with the culture concept.


    Luke

    Luke Novelli, Jr., Ph.D.
    Principal & Chief of Intellectual Capital
    Innovation Resources Group
    2618 Battleground Avenue, Suite 307
    Greensboro, NC 27408
    Phone & Fax 336-218-0093


  • 9.  climate and culture

    Posted 12-06-1999 12:22
    Hi Brian
    I too am interested in this issue. If you receive any emails direct would it be possible for you to forward thwm to me.
    Thanks
    Sylvie

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    >>> Brian Smith <BrianDSmith@COMPUSERVE.COM> 12/03 2:16 pm >>>
    Dear All,

    I'm a PhD student looking at organisational culture. I'm familiar with
    Denison's work . Any body know of:

    1) Other techniques of culture measurement
    2) Critiques thereof

    Regards

    Brian Smith