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  • 1.  Management Education Assessment

    Posted 12-01-1999 08:23
    Good morning,

    We are interested in doing some research on the effects of management
    education. We teach program management at a department of defense
    graduate school. The graduates will be managing the acquisition
    of highly complex systems which can have as much as a fifteen
    year development process and the budgets for which are often
    several hundred million, and in some cases billion, dollars.
    We teach a number of integrated disciplines.
    Now we would like to do some research to find a way to measure
    the effects of the education. If any of you have some ideas
    on this, or some sources, I would appreciate it.
    The research task will have two parts.

    Part One: Determine what things should be measured.

    Supporting questions might be things like: What is there about
    a student that should change because they attended our course?
    How does the anticipated change reflect what material is taught
    and how it is taught? Can the measurement process be used to
    assess changes made in the curriculum or how it is taught, i.e.,
    once a set of baseline measures is obtained, can we use that
    to assess the value or the effectiveness of future changes to
    the course or how it is taught?
    Supposition: If nothing in the student or his/her coworkers changes,
    then the course has had no lasting educational effect, and therefore
    had no value to that student or co-workers. What can/should
    be measured that will reflect the comprehensive value of the
    course as measured in a significant number of students?

    Part Two: Determine how each of the identified things should
    be measured.

    Supporting questions: Can the thing which we desire to measure
    actually be measured? Is the measure a reflection of a causative
    relationship or is it merely associative? How do we control for
    influences other than the educational experience; does that matter?
    Is it valid to inquire whether the effect of the education is
    on other co-workers as much, or even more, than the effect on
    the graduate? What data needs to be collected? Can the data be
    collected in a minimally intrusive manner? Over what period of
    time should the data be collected? For any given student, should
    the data be collected more than once? From whom should it be
    collected? Once collected and evaluated, how should the data
    be presented to our management?

    Thanks in advance for any ideas.

    Dr. Jim Dobbins
    jdobbins@nishanet.com


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  • 2.  Management Education Assessment

    Posted 12-01-1999 08:44
    Dear Dr. Dobbins,
    Business Breakthroughs of Sandy Utah is expert in this field of product
    management and the measurements of the results of applying various types of
    program management education. Their President, Robert Osborne has over 20
    years experience in this all-important area.

    Robert can be reached at (801) 576-0462, at the mailbox shown above or at
    http://www.busbreaks.com

    I have copied him with your request and I suspect he will call or write you
    very shortly.
    Dick Montgomery
    20th Century Cooperative
    http://www.chemmgrs.com
    Audio Mailbox, Phone: 517 859-7512
    "Our mission is to increase your sales."
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jim Dobbins" <jdobbins@NISHANET.COM>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 8:23 AM
    Subject: Management Education Assessment


    > Good morning,
    >
    > We are interested in doing some research on the effects of management
    > education. We teach program management at a department of defense
    > graduate school. The graduates will be managing the acquisition
    > of highly complex systems which can have as much as a fifteen
    > year development process and the budgets for which are often
    > several hundred million, and in some cases billion, dollars.
    > We teach a number of integrated disciplines.
    > Now we would like to do some research to find a way to measure
    > the effects of the education. If any of you have some ideas
    > on this, or some sources, I would appreciate it.
    > The research task will have two parts.
    >
    > Part One: Determine what things should be measured.
    >
    > Supporting questions might be things like: What is there about
    > a student that should change because they attended our course?
    > How does the anticipated change reflect what material is taught
    > and how it is taught? Can the measurement process be used to
    > assess changes made in the curriculum or how it is taught, i.e.,
    > once a set of baseline measures is obtained, can we use that
    > to assess the value or the effectiveness of future changes to
    > the course or how it is taught?
    > Supposition: If nothing in the student or his/her coworkers changes,
    > then the course has had no lasting educational effect, and therefore
    > had no value to that student or co-workers. What can/should
    > be measured that will reflect the comprehensive value of the
    > course as measured in a significant number of students?
    >
    > Part Two: Determine how each of the identified things should
    > be measured.
    >
    > Supporting questions: Can the thing which we desire to measure
    > actually be measured? Is the measure a reflection of a causative
    > relationship or is it merely associative? How do we control for
    > influences other than the educational experience; does that matter?
    > Is it valid to inquire whether the effect of the education is
    > on other co-workers as much, or even more, than the effect on
    > the graduate? What data needs to be collected? Can the data be
    > collected in a minimally intrusive manner? Over what period of
    > time should the data be collected? For any given student, should
    > the data be collected more than once? From whom should it be
    > collected? Once collected and evaluated, how should the data
    > be presented to our management?
    >
    > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
    >
    > Dr. Jim Dobbins
    > jdobbins@nishanet.com
    >
    >
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  • 3.  Management Education Assessment

    Posted 12-01-1999 16:53
    Can one assume you are also including the National Contracts Management
    Association in your research? They have (used to have? I am not
    currently in the industry) a certification program with college coursework
    required (I took mine through UCLA) and a certification test (51% fail rate
    when I took it) for earning a Certified Professional Contracts Manager that
    covered all aspects of the management of major DOD programs. You could
    certainly tell who the CPCMs were back when I managed billion dollar
    subcontracts programs. :)




    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jim Dobbins [SMTP:jdobbins@NISHANET.COM]
    Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:23 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Management Education Assessment

    Good morning,

    We are interested in doing some research on the effects of management
    education. We teach program management at a department of defense
    graduate school. The graduates will be managing the acquisition
    of highly complex systems which can have as much as a fifteen
    year development process and the budgets for which are often
    several hundred million, and in some cases billion, dollars.
    We teach a number of integrated disciplines.
    Now we would like to do some research to find a way to measure
    the effects of the education. If any of you have some ideas
    on this, or some sources, I would appreciate it.
    The research task will have two parts.

    Part One: Determine what things should be measured.

    Supporting questions might be things like: What is there about
    a student that should change because they attended our course?
    How does the anticipated change reflect what material is taught
    and how it is taught? Can the measurement process be used to
    assess changes made in the curriculum or how it is taught, i.e.,
    once a set of baseline measures is obtained, can we use that
    to assess the value or the effectiveness of future changes to
    the course or how it is taught?
    Supposition: If nothing in the student or his/her coworkers changes,
    then the course has had no lasting educational effect, and therefore
    had no value to that student or co-workers. What can/should
    be measured that will reflect the comprehensive value of the
    course as measured in a significant number of students?

    Part Two: Determine how each of the identified things should
    be measured.

    Supporting questions: Can the thing which we desire to measure
    actually be measured? Is the measure a reflection of a causative
    relationship or is it merely associative? How do we control for
    influences other than the educational experience; does that matter?
    Is it valid to inquire whether the effect of the education is
    on other co-workers as much, or even more, than the effect on
    the graduate? What data needs to be collected? Can the data be
    collected in a minimally intrusive manner? Over what period of
    time should the data be collected? For any given student, should
    the data be collected more than once? From whom should it be
    collected? Once collected and evaluated, how should the data
    be presented to our management?

    Thanks in advance for any ideas.

    Dr. Jim Dobbins
    jdobbins@nishanet.com


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  • 4.  Management Education Assessment

    Posted 12-01-1999 18:45
    We have a professional association with NCMA, and have a
    joint
    management research conference every two years. The course
    we
    have is considerably more extensive.

    Jim

    Conna Condon wrote:
    >
    > Can one assume you are also including the National Contracts Management
    > Association in your research? They have (used to have? I am not
    > currently in the industry) a certification program with college coursework
    > required (I took mine through UCLA) and a certification test (51% fail rate
    > when I took it) for earning a Certified Professional Contracts Manager that
    > covered all aspects of the management of major DOD programs. You could
    > certainly tell who the CPCMs were back when I managed billion dollar
    > subcontracts programs. :)
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Jim Dobbins [SMTP:jdobbins@NISHANET.COM]
    > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:23 AM
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Management Education Assessment
    >
    > Good morning,
    >
    > We are interested in doing some research on the effects of management
    > education. We teach program management at a department of defense
    > graduate school. The graduates will be managing the acquisition
    > of highly complex systems which can have as much as a fifteen
    > year development process and the budgets for which are often
    > several hundred million, and in some cases billion, dollars.
    > We teach a number of integrated disciplines.
    > Now we would like to do some research to find a way to measure
    > the effects of the education. If any of you have some ideas
    > on this, or some sources, I would appreciate it.
    > The research task will have two parts.
    >
    > Part One: Determine what things should be measured.
    >
    > Supporting questions might be things like: What is there about
    > a student that should change because they attended our course?
    > How does the anticipated change reflect what material is taught
    > and how it is taught? Can the measurement process be used to
    > assess changes made in the curriculum or how it is taught, i.e.,
    > once a set of baseline measures is obtained, can we use that
    > to assess the value or the effectiveness of future changes to
    > the course or how it is taught?
    > Supposition: If nothing in the student or his/her coworkers changes,
    > then the course has had no lasting educational effect, and therefore
    > had no value to that student or co-workers. What can/should
    > be measured that will reflect the comprehensive value of the
    > course as measured in a significant number of students?
    >
    > Part Two: Determine how each of the identified things should
    > be measured.
    >
    > Supporting questions: Can the thing which we desire to measure
    > actually be measured? Is the measure a reflection of a causative
    > relationship or is it merely associative? How do we control for
    > influences other than the educational experience; does that matter?
    > Is it valid to inquire whether the effect of the education is
    > on other co-workers as much, or even more, than the effect on
    > the graduate? What data needs to be collected? Can the data be
    > collected in a minimally intrusive manner? Over what period of
    > time should the data be collected? For any given student, should
    > the data be collected more than once? From whom should it be
    > collected? Once collected and evaluated, how should the data
    > be presented to our management?
    >
    > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
    >
    > Dr. Jim Dobbins
    > jdobbins@nishanet.com
    >
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