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  • 1.  Axelrod's Assay

    Posted 04-08-2002 10:44
    Ms. Axelrod, and others --
    Thank you for this valuable perspective.
    It strikes me that the management educators in GE's Management Development
    Center, Crotonville, did not have these issues, at least when I passed
    through long ago.

    Woujld it be possible and useful to foster a dialog between academics and
    the "corporate university" counterparts?
    To what degree is it the subject matter, the educator or the situation that
    makes the difference?

    Similarly, I note that many of the academics in the field of systems
    engineering have most of the same issues.

    > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:51:17 -0400
    > From: "Ruth H. Axelrod" <raxelrod@gwu.edu>
    > Subject: Re: Quick and Dirty--LONG
    >
    > David and Other Colleagues--
    >
    > As a former manager and, now, current educator, I have to say that I
    > think that much of what managers are seeking is a pipe dream--relief
    > from the pressures of overwork (how can I do things more efficiently?),
    > from the constant barrage of other people's problems and misbehaviors
    > (how can I motivate them?), from the need to play politics (how can I
    > deal with my ___ boss?), from accountability without control (how can I
    > restructure this crazy organization so that it works?), from the
    > uncertainty that is an inextricable element of most of our decisions,
    > and so forth. Our society has taught to rely on rationality uber alles
    > (with the exception of romantic and mother-love!) and, so, we think that
    > we can and must manage the unmanageable. Furthermore, we see other
    > managers around us who seem to have it easier going and we wonder why.
    > Instead of investigating the accuracy of our attributions, we tend to
    > think that they know something that we don't. We don't investigate
    > because, at heart, we don't want to know that they feel beleaguered,
    > too. We desparately hope that there is a magic bullet out there that
    > will make our lives easier. (Why do you think that most CEO's read so
    > many management books, and that many of the great ones read philosophy
    > and classics instead?) Both the perception and the hope are in vain.
    > (Who was it who said that most of us live lives of quiet desparation?)
    >
    > I think that the sin (arrogant idiocy) is in our thinking, saying and
    > acting (insofar as we do) as if what we have to offer in the classroom
    > (knowledge and skills) will solve their problems. Certainly, we can
    > give them some pointers about ways to think that may be new to them and
    > that may help put things into perspective or help them figure out for
    > themselves how to work things out. But we don't really have "the
    > answers", at least, not the ones that they need (usually the consulting
    > firms that they hire for the same reason that they go back to school
    > don't either--just look at the staggering rate for recidivism in Big
    > Five OD programs). They have to find the answers for and within
    > themselves. We don't want to tell them that and they don't want to hear
    > it!
    >
    > So, what we can do to help them? And, are we doing it? How often do we
    > ask our students what their issues are, what they want to know, what
    > problems are keeping them up at night? And, if we do, how often are we
    > willing to revise, or even scrap, our curricula and teach, in the form
    > of a joint inquiry, to that? The answer, I think, is "rarely". We--and
    > I certainly include myself in this--cling to the notion (tradition) that
    > it is our job as professors to define the scope of the inquiry, itemize
    > the body of knowledge that it encompass, and hustle students along the
    > course of what we call learning. Is that the right thing to do? Are we
    > really the "experts"? If not, then what should be our role?
    >
    > It is axiomatic that we all teach to our own style. In my view, that
    > goes beyond what we tend to think of as learning styles to encompass
    > content. In short, most academics teach to future academics, not to
    > practitioners. We design our courses and their content for the small
    > percentage of our students who will go on to another degree. I find
    > myself questioning the wisdom of this. People who follow the path of
    > getting more degrees have a strong intrinsic drive to learn--they are,
    > to use Peter Vaill's term, "learners as a way of being". Some are even
    > true scholars. With or without our help they are like sponges: they are
    > intrinsically motivated to seek out learning environments and take care
    > of their own learning needs. I think that what we should be focusing on
    > is helping students who can't/don't make breakthroughs on their own,
    > helping them learn to develop a sense of joy and satisfaction in
    > inquiry.
    >
    > No apologies for the polemic. You touched a nerve. I just hope that if
    > you've read this far, you don't consider it a complete waste of your
    > time! :-]
    >
    > Ruth
    >


  • 2.  Axelrod's Assay

    Posted 04-08-2002 20:07
    From: Conna Condon [mailto:gandolf@cyberverse.com]

    I have to speak as one who was educated in a program designed for and
    about
    being a practitioner; and who now teaches in the same environment.

    I earned my Masters back in 1979 - and only one of our courses had a
    pure
    academic for an instructor ... we laughed the guy out of the classroom.
    His
    academic theories had nothing to do with our corporate realities and I
    think
    he learned more from us than we did from him.

    My grad school has had private sessions for us with both Peter Drucker
    and
    Paul Hersey during AOM meetings. From both of them we heard the
    importance
    of management educators becoming experienced business executives before
    they
    became academic theorists, researchers, and/or teachers.

    For years in business hiring other executives and I had a consensus of
    what
    a college degree in business meant: 1) they had shown they could show
    up on
    a regular basis. 2) they could listen to instructions and act upon them
    to
    at least a satisficing level. 3) they were teachable. We also
    counted on
    having to wash the academic baloney out of them and teaching them the
    real
    world.

    Education will become useful when it isn't full of impractical theory or
    "sage from the stage" pontificators.

    Just my humble experience

    Conna Condon
    DBA candidate